Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

I liked Looper and Knives Out. For JJ, I liked Super 8 and some of his TV shows are decent. But JJ should stick to being a producer, he's clearly better at that.
I liked Looper when I saw it back when it came out. I don't want to re-watch it because if I do I probably won't like it as much because when I think about it the whole story is edgelord shit written by a teenager with the same le epic badass suicide Rian would end up using again in TLJ. Knives Out was fucking boring and a waste of its cast. I don't get the hype. Super 8 was almost decent up until the third act and the ending (what a surprise!) and I don't care about JJ's TV shows.
I still enjoy the first JJ Trek, even though it's not good.

Jar Jar and Roundhead aren't particularly good directors and "tard wranglers" wouldn't have been able to save the sequels, especially since Rian already has a tard wrangler named Ram Bergman (his producer on everything he makes).
 
I liked Looper when I saw it back when it came out. I don't want to re-watch it because if I do I probably won't like it as much because when I think about it the whole story is edgelord shit written by a teenager with the same le epic badass suicide Rian would end up using again in TLJ. Knives Out was fucking boring and a waste of its cast. I don't get the hype. Super 8 was almost decent up until the third act and the ending (what a surprise!) and I don't care about JJ's TV shows.
I still enjoy the first JJ Trek, even though it's not good.

Jar Jar and Roundhead aren't particularly good directors and "tard wranglers" wouldn't have been able to save the sequels, especially since Rian already has a tard wrangler named Ram Bergman (his producer on everything he makes).
Oh I'm not saying that tard wranglers would save the Sequels, really what would save it is if they just used Lucas' fucking treatments instead of throwing them out for OT nostalgia pandering
 
So basically if Bob Iger and Kathleen Kennedy weren't in charge?
Pretty much, moreso Kathleen Kennedy since it would be fine if someone who believed in George’s vision ran Lucasfilms.

Honestly while Star Wars isn’t that much of a dumpster fire as it was Pre-Mandalorian, it’s sad that Filoni and Favreau are carrying this when Star Wars was in a much better state pre-Disney
 
Pretty much, moreso Kathleen Kennedy since it would be fine if someone who believed in George’s vision ran Lucasfilms.
But you'd still have to get rid of them both because Iger was the one who demanded the sequels, starting with TFA be OT nostalgiafests and the both of them didn't give a damn about George's vision. If it wasn't Kathleen it'd just be some other hack there to do what Iger tells them to.
 
Oh God. Are they bringing those dumb spinning lightsabers to live action? They were bad enough when they were cordoned off to the shitty cartoon Rebels (or whatever it was).
Hopefully they will fly. I just want those dumb helicopter lightsabers in live action
 
Pretty much, moreso Kathleen Kennedy since it would be fine if someone who believed in George’s vision ran Lucasfilms.

Honestly while Star Wars isn’t that much of a dumpster fire as it was Pre-Mandalorian, it’s sad that Filoni and Favreau are carrying this when Star Wars was in a much better state pre-Disney
I wouldn’t understate Iger’s blame in this since he rejected George’s treatment of a potential sequel trilogy, which is honestly a lot more interesting based on its synopsis than what we got.
 
I liked Looper when I saw it back when it came out. I don't want to re-watch it because if I do I probably won't like it as much because when I think about it the whole story is edgelord shit written by a teenager with the same le epic badass suicide Rian would end up using again in TLJ. Knives Out was fucking boring and a waste of its cast. I don't get the hype. Super 8 was almost decent up until the third act and the ending (what a surprise!) and I don't care about JJ's TV shows.
I still enjoy the first JJ Trek, even though it's not good.

Jar Jar and Roundhead aren't particularly good directors and "tard wranglers" wouldn't have been able to save the sequels, especially since Rian already has a tard wrangler named Ram Bergman (his producer on everything he makes).

JJ's Trek films are good. The first one is really good except for the dumb big on the ice moon where Kirk meets Spock. Where the script ran itself into a brick wall. As well as the dumb stuff like a super nova will destroy the galaxy.

I think it demonstrates JJ can make a good film, but won't stop and prevent utterly retarded things from happening. It's feelings and emotions over logic.

I only revised the second JJ Trek film with in the last year or so. It should never have been made, someone should have stepped in and said it was a dumb idea. Yet it was well made and entertaining.

An interesting note of JJ as a director and producer is that he just defers to other departments. So when he does a Mission Impossible film. He just lets the stunt coordinators and second unit do the action. When he does his Trek and Star Wars films. He just hands control over to the VFX team. Let them figure out the cool shots and action. Allowing a lot of iteration and change.

As opposed to round head where he insists his scribbles on napkins is used to storyboard it out. Where he insists he is in complete control and shuts out any outside voices. There's videos out there of JJ discussing working on TFA asking for everyone's advice. Then a video of round head making TLJ where he's bragging out deliberately shutting out and ignoring input.
 
Years later, it's abundantly clear that Kathleen Kennedy and Disney are at fault for these shallow character-less films since Kennedy just went against what George Lucas wanted and hired an incompetent story team, while Disney just didn't care and let Kennedy do whatever cause they thought it would be Marvel levels of success.
You're not wrong but to be precise, Alan Horn, Kennedy, Bob Chapek and Bob Iger were instrumental to the decline of Star Wars as a major franchise. Each one contributed a unique brand of self-destructive egoism and conflicting ideals that resulted in a metaphorical nuclear meltdown that started with a bright flash that was mistaken for awe-inspiring light but was really just the blast before the shock wave.

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1651973761570.pngAlan Horn (chairman of WD studios and later creative officer) was all about deconstructing the franchise and remaking it into something completely unrecognizable because he supported the idea that Star Wars should focus on appealing to those who didn't care about Star Wars and whose decisions were what you would expect from an out of touch ivory tower boomer.

He was essentially a guy who had never delved into the franchise or understood anything about George's mindset or mythos. One of his earliest acts was to question everything by claiming stuff like "What is the Force?" "What are the Jedi?" and following it up by somehow rationalizing it that it was their turn to finally explain everything and really create a non-existent conclusion to a franchise that had already given more than enough closure and fanservice material. He and Kennedy also orchestrated (presumably with Iger or Chapek's blessing) the downsizing of Lucasfilm and the complete replacement of most of its old staff with fart-huffing "new age creatives", even getting rid of many Lucasfilm veterans and only keeping a few of the concept artists who had been working in the studio since the prequels, as well as a few infamous ass-kissers like Pablo Hidalgo and Matt Martin.

Alan Horn effectively replaced most of the staff with Hollywood pr people or fresh-out-of-college "visionaries" who had no prior experience with Star Wars or even sci-fi, fantasy or space operas (or even writing) while completely undermining everything George and his writers had ever set up. And there's the achievement of the "Creative" officer. Alan Horn and Kennedy adherence to his ideas ultimately resulted in further conflicting directions which resulted in the disjointed narrative that has been following Disney "Canon" since its inception. There's more on him but you can just use search in this thread only and find more tidbits on his failings. Overall, I consider him and Iger to have been the most detrimental elements, with Kennedy as a close second behind them.

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1651984241567.pngPablo Hidalgo and Matt "Porgcuck" Martin (story group and former website managers that were needlessly promoted) in their own way also contributed to the division in the fandom by sowing seeds of conflict and making up reasons for the fanbase to fight via twitter and on forums as well as looking for reasons to claim why everything from George's era was dumb, or even making false claims about the state of the franchise which they even backtracked on a few times, as well as betraying old fellow employees when they demanded royalties or misleading them by claiming that they would still have their media published in Lucasfilm.

Leland Chee was another asskisser but who contributed less to the decline and division than Martin and Hidalgo, and acted more as a doormat who no one listens to and doesn't dare go against the grain, with his only purpose being to seemingly try and calm the flames the other two kept feeding, but he even failed at that, much like most of his tasks that required more assertiveness. His and Hidalgo's lack of assertion and competence were also the main reasons for so many continuity errors in Disney and the final days of old Lucasfilm.

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Kathleen Kennedy
(Head of Lucasfilm) was one of George's former trustees and producers and a longtime producer and secretary for Steven Spielberg. Kennedy was one of the key figures that helped to encourage the Disney buyout with George trusting her to continue his legacy faithfully but in truth it was just a further stepping stone for her career to becoming her own boss and even then she ended up doing very little other than smiling for Mr. Iger and adhering to Alan Horn's idiotic ideas, since in truth she is simply an opportunist. Even the whole "Feminist" push that had been used on the franchise early on by her, such as the 'Force being female' and whatnot was not because of an actual adherence to any ideology, but simply because at the time the Hollywood marketeers believed that a new wave of 'trendy feminism' was on the rise with what they perceived was the sure fire victory of Hillary Clinton and social media trends (that and investor suggestions), and so they wanted to take advantage of these heated events by tying it into the marketing, much like many other companies were doing and hence why Kennedy has done little to address the subject again once it stopped being trendy. Kennedy in truth was not some feminist idealist, simply just another Hollywood executive eager to do whatever it took to rise to power while also doubling as a patsy of incompetence for Horn and Iger who did whatever they wanted with most of her actual decisions being of the most incompetent quality you would expect from another out of touch ivory tower boomer, with most of her decisions being regulated towards marketing and PR appeal. She and Horn with Iger's approval also orchestrated the downsizing of Lucasfilm as confirmed by JW Rinzler's podcasts and both among others were there to bid farewell to the majority of the employees on the days leading up to the acquisition with very little fare.

1651988596162.pngKennedy and Horn also served as the greatest roadblocks for creativity and adherence to George-era star wars, even meddling continuously in the productions of the new films, most especially their spinoffs, resulting in not only unnecessary budget costs but in large amounts of footage, sets, props, costumes, scripts and even directors constantly being replaced on petty whims to make sure everything adhered to some moronic "new vision" of Star Wars.

Overall Kennedy's role in the company has been a relatively useless one that has been mostly self-serving and adhering to the whims of men rather than her own, and her actual decisions have all been flabbergasting or ignorant, even dismissing classic costumes from past films as "not being like Star Wars" and having a bizarre obsession with tentacles and sea monsters, and even hiring just as many incompetents as Horn, most of which were only hired to appeal to investors who wanted a more "progressive" image for Lucasfilm and were made up of soap opera writers for the story group or more inexperienced college interns. It was all a shameless ruse that took advantage of shameless consumers, the politically obsessed and brainless investors who can't tell when they're being manipulated, all in a bid to obtain more money and influence for the greater company, the whole supposed 'feminist' angle was also a method to attract reactionaries against them in order to play the victim card and make their faux feminism look genuine and sentimental, which was at first exercised through cringe tweets by JJ claiming all criticism was racism or sexism and Lucasfilm's bragging about Phasma's armor to attract GamerGate medias which at the time were also in the midst of a feud regarding female armor in games. 1652027959982.pngIt was all a cleverly orchestrated market strategy based around a faux illusion of altruism to increase publicity and it resulted in the birth of the uselessly idiotic Fandom Menace youtube movement which only helps to boost interest in Disney rather than discourage it, with noteworthy examples like Doomcock and Geeks&Gamers who seemingly criticize Disney at every turn yet encourage their viewers to continue watching and buying Disney Wars material, basically making them more crypto shills who are too stupid to realize they're being used for publicity with their useless takes.


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Spielberg may have also had a hand in all of this through her but the exact details are vague or rumor-based, with all that is certain is that he was more involved with supporting Kennedy and Iger after TLJ as well as shilling for Abrams and Bad Robot's involvement in the franchise. Also for some reason JJ was allowed to take ownership of Lucasfilm memorabilia, including preserved costumes from ANH which Bad Robot had no right to take.

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Bob Iger
(Former head honcho) primary orchestrator of the buyout, EA's 10-year hold, the Lucasfilm restructuring and giving Horn, Kennedy and Chapek free-run of the mess while Iger preoccupied himself with corporate fellatio, pointless monopolization and giving himself as many unwarranted raises as possible while spewing honeyed words on behalf of the company to distract the gaggles from any shortcomings. Hell even the bid with EA was mostly for their size and stocks rather than because of their actual quality.

He brought about the largest economic growth for the Walt Disney company by turning it into an even bigger corporate monster hellbent on controlling everything around it. This growth proved to have little benefits for the employees within the company, as even Abigail Disney (an actual disney heir) has pointed out Iger's corruption regularly, his and his executives habit of giving themselves raises on a regular basis while denying their employees even basic necessities and taking advantage of others willingness to work for the company, as well as how their substantial greed has resulted in a lack of money going to areas of the park and company that really need it.

It was also his decision that the original treatments for George's sequels be completely ignored, preferring to target a new demographic, mainly those who had no interest in Star Wars and who fittingly enough moved on from it as soon as the sequels disappeared, with the only ones sticking around being old school addicts and your typical disney fanboys who will lap up whatever has the disney logo on it.

Bob Chapek (Chairman of Experiences, Parks & Products as well as Iger and Everyone's primary buttkisser) was the royal cheapskate of Disney and the one not only responsible for the unimaginative blunders that were the star wars park expansions and hotel, but was also the one who was most fixated on taking the cheapest routes for max profits. Since taking the CEO position, his current management of the Star Wars brand has also been one of cheapest alternatives for max profits resulting in even lower quality blunders than usual.

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Other elements also played a part in the downfall. Among some of them were George's adopted children, although one that wasn't mean-spirited as far as we know, but could be considered the primary cause of the downfall. George had no heirs who were interested in continuing the family legacy. His children already had goals or aspirations of their own, with Amanda most notably having a martial arts career she was solely dedicated to. His second daughter Katie initially showed interest in continuing the creative side of her father's legacy and even went on to write several episodes of Filoni Wars, but ultimately her pursuits fell elsewhere and to her romantic life. Finally Jett Lucas was the one clearly most fond of Star Wars and taking an active part in the franchise, even having some involvement in production wise in the Disney+ media, and he was also an avid fan of not just his father's work but Star Wars lore in general, including the WEG and WotC SW Roleplaying Games, but ultimately despite his more active role in Star Wars and dedication to his father's work, he ultimately did not continue it supposedly due to lacking the necessary film and executive savvy necessary to run Lucasfilm. All of this culminated in George seeking out a wolfaboo furry as his potential replacement and that's a can of worms I don't want to open today.

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But the biggest problem of all and what ultimately led to the downfall was a budget problem which has been discussed in length before by better users here, but a lot of production mismanagement resulted in not only several cancellations but the potential fall or decline of LucasArts. All of this came from the fact that of a lot of Lucasfilm's income came from ILM and THX among others, all of which Hollywood was actively looking to replace due to wanting to avoid connections to George's independence as well long-held grudges between him and Hollywood guilds.

This budget issue became a more serious problem when George grew interested in making a new series of films, something Lucasfilm at the time (as well as the costly budget of a certain show among other things mentioned) just couldn't do, resulting in George ultimately trusting Kathy and Iger's suggestions to sell Lucasfilm to Disney in hopes that their large assets and connections would allow for the new films and new media to continue unhindered with the hope that due to their long standing "friendship and trust" they would honor his work and continue his vision, aaaaaand you know the rest. George's involvement to this day is mostly for public image and supposedly due to some sort of agreement which keeps him from actively criticizing Disney, with the few instances that he has having been backtracked or erased, with the exception of a few and some production visits for the Disney+ shows which really don't amount to anything beyond cameos.


1651994619747.pngUltimately, this can all be traced back to around 2010, but 2011 is where you could already see many changes start to occur presumably to accommodate or appeal to Disney whose deal would be made official in 2012, such as an abrupt number of cancellations, the complete overhaul of the official SW.com website, the Lucasfilm website also receiving a complete overhaul where it eventually resemble a shopping network website, the databank being deleted (despite containing a plethora of concept art, production info and setting lore), the disappearance of the EU and Infinities labels (Canon would be introduced around 2014 iirc), the sudden removal of many non-Filoni Wars merchandise from lists (as well as the cancellation of Filoni Wars which was finalized in 2013 due to contractual disputes with FOX and CN since Disney wanted full ownership of all SW media going forward), the disappearance of many recognizable labels, many producers, employees and authors suddenly going silent and most notably the shut down of the official Star Wars message boards, a massive loss since it was a place where Lucasfilm employees, Star Wars writers, authors, etc and fans all came together and expanded on the mythos and even contained info on unreleased media and background information on the films, George's notes and other productions, including info and images that otherwise went unreleased in any official magazines or guides, and which too many morons were too lazy to archive and because many didn't know about archive.org or the site's eventual demise (this was a forum that had been active for almost 10 years since 2001).
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The only thing that is presumably still under George's influence (although the full extent is uncertain) is the original versions of the OT which Disney has not yet released (although George had permitted their screenings at film festivals completely unaltered), including newer edits being made to them such as the infamous 'maklunkee', but again the full details of this are unknown.

If I missed anything or messed up any info please feel free to correct me or supply me with new details.

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Yes, a lot of people will. But the problem is there is no history or world to explore. There isn't anything "there" until a writer writes something, and since anything any writer writes isn't real, it can be contradicted by other writers, or even the same writer. Or it can just be retarded. Your Star Wars fictional world has Chuck Wendig novels in it, after all.

Most people, when they consume a work of fiction, are interested only in that story. Their interest in sequels extends only insofar as it completes the original story in the work. It's not that they don't realize "there's a whole galaxy to explore," it's that they just don't care about learning about fictional technology, fictional history, and fictional places. They enjoyed Lord of the Rings without wishing Tolkien would have made up more lore about the Barrow-wights. In fact, they probably didn't even read Appendix A!

Seems to be the difference comes down to people who speak of fictional things as though they're real, and people who don't. The former kind of person often get deeply intellectually and emotionally invested in fiction, usually until something breaks the spell for them. The Disney sequels seem to have done that to a lot of Star Wars fans.
people care about characters, and in turn what they experience, that's what's usually called "the(ir) story". the biggest issue these days is that no one is a character anymore, which makes for crappy stories (why give a shit if you're not invested in the characters?).
the universe is as much a part of the story as the characters, otherwise you could write luke skywalker as some dude in poughkeepsie running around with a glowstick looking for his daddy who has an affinity for gimpsuits. if people like the characters enough they want to know where the characters came from, where they're going, what happens to the other characters they meet and also the universe they exist in, because it frames the characters identity. that's how prequels, sequels and spinoffs happen - unless you want to imply each and every time the story wasn't already complete (which would bring us back to what actually makes the story).

it's also flat out wendig tier idiocy because every universe has an implied history and rules that have to make sense. of course you can always go full meta "there is no backstory or anything, it's all just fiction anyway" while tipping your trilby, but that doesn't make for a functional story when the eagles take frodo right to mount doom in the first act. the empire has to come from somewhere, there must be a reason it was able to take over and give the rebels something to rebel against. the cracks start to show when the rules of that expected foundation get broken: how did the first order manage to become so big? how did it take over the galaxy? no really, how did they take over the galaxy given they're depicted completely incompetent? once it gets to that level it breaks you out of your suspension of disbelief, and that's the end of it. that consistency is literally an authors most important job, otherwise you're nothing better than a magician fucking up his act. that's why nuwars is shit, and TLJ especially, and that's why you don't want it in your canon. otherwise might as well show the audience a dead rabbit in a top hat and expect applause, because after all, if it can be retarded, why even try?

TLDR: some pulpy 70's scifi movie that spawned two sequels and turned into one of the biggest pop culture phenomena on the planet happened because no one cared about it after the story in ANH was complete...

they were never stars wars fans, mike always prefered star trek. they also suck in general. look up their idea for a star trek tv show.

for fucks sake Mike actually said Piccard season 1 had an amazing plot until Rich told him it was a complete rip off of mass effect. these assholes don't even know nor bother with EU in any medium either.
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as retarded as they are - just compare their "critic talking about a kid's drawing" bit to their id4 re:view for peak irony - when it comes to star trek they know their shit (not counting jay because he's a fucking normie who's still confused about the boner from his first waifu). the problem is they never really cared about or "got" star wars as much as star trek, which was always pretty obvious. but as much as people don't wanna hear it, they were not wrong about the prequels from a film making standpoint (not star wars fan standpoint, which are 2 different things). at least you can take pleasure from the cosmic karma and rich finally having the epiphany what SW fans have been going through.

>look up their idea for a star trek tv show.
yes, and? explain what's bad about it

>Mike actually said Piccard season 1 had an amazing plot
source nigga, because picard follows right on STD's heels, which they consider utter dreck. on top of that it ruins one of their favorite characters and rapes their favorite franchise harder and more thoroughly than disney ever abused SW, it could have the best fucking plot in the world and they would hate that shit (which it obviously doesn't because it's written by some of the biggest hacks in television history). so again, give me a fucking timecode.

In my opinion, Mark and Hayden easily outmatch Daisy, but Mark has the edge over Hayden because he had better dialogue and directing to work with. Hayden, to me, has more raw emotion and anger compared to Mark when he’s allowed to utilize his talents.

Daisy is just bland and wooden from start to finish. The character is already a cliche Mary Sue and Daisy doesn’t seem to be interested in giving some depth to Rey Rey.
as I said it before, I don't watch star wars for great acting. it would've been fine for the doe-eyed newbie out of her depth in TFA, the problem is she wasn't written that way and the character is shit in general, even the world's best actress couldn't have saved it. as dogshit as the ST is, imo TLJ fits her acting better (in certain parts at least).
honestly I doubt anyone would've cared if the writing would've been good, but now we're in another jarjar/"I hate sand" situation where the actor gets blamed for shit outside his/her control.

The mainline movies being about the Skywalkers was never a problem and people who argue that it is are mostly full of shit. I don't know how I feel about them being deemed "cosmically important" in-universe though, mostly because I don't think they're supposed to be (other than Anakin). That, and it reminds me of TLJ's dumbass strawman arguments about the Skywalkers and the Jedi in that movie.
"everyone is or knows a skywalker" was always an issue, doesn't make much sense that a whole galaxy is centered around the same handful people (no matter how important they are). granted filoni and his crap are much worse in that regard since no one is tardwrangling him, so it doesn't look as bad in comparison.
 
@The Gangster Computer I'm sad you didn't include Dave Filoni's fanfiction on there as a cause of death too. He's as culpable if not moreso than Fat Fuck Hidalgo and Porgcuck. He was the one that pushes a lot of the more retarded ideas in film like shrinking the cast of characters, trying to force his OC to become Gandalf the White or the Force itself, and inventing time travel specifically to save them since he couldn't bear to kill them, to the point he sobbed like a bitch to George Lucas until he rescinded her death order.

Also don't forget that he was guilty of brown nosing and condoning the ST too. He openly supported Kennedy's methods since he only cares for his OCs, and also can and will ditch being criticized for that on open forums.

There's also the matter that he's likely one of the biggest reasons this "No One's Ever Really Gone" bullshit is happening. He intentionally kills OCs and then brings them back due to being a bitch who can't commit to keeping something dead. He also is the push for some of the dumbest action scenes in the series, since it's his goddamn fault we have helicopter beyblade sabers.

I feel like that's missing since I don't want that wolfaboo faggot to avoid his role in things.
 
@The Gangster Computer I'm sad you didn't include Dave Filoni's fanfiction on there as a cause of death too. He's as culpable if not moreso than Fat Fuck Hidalgo and Porgcuck. He was the one that pushes a lot of the more retarded ideas in film like shrinking the cast of characters, trying to force his OC to become Gandalf the White or the Force itself, and inventing time travel specifically to save them since he couldn't bear to kill them, to the point he sobbed like a bitch to George Lucas until he rescinded her death order.

Also don't forget that he was guilty of brown nosing and condoning the ST too. He openly supported Kennedy's methods since he only cares for his OCs, and also can and will ditch being criticized for that on open forums.

There's also the matter that he's likely one of the biggest reasons this "No One's Ever Really Gone" bullshit is happening. He intentionally kills OCs and then brings them back due to being a bitch who can't commit to keeping something dead. He also is the push for some of the dumbest action scenes in the series, since it's his goddamn fault we have helicopter beyblade sabers.

I feel like that's missing since I don't want that wolfaboo faggot to avoid his role in things.
I'm a bit ashamed I didn't since I got tired midway into writing that post, but I do mention him as being the wolfaboo can of worms I didn't want to bring up. Considering its a new day and I already covered him before in detail I'll just post what I've said before on him here.
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/star-...ise-of-skywalker-spoilers.32492/post-10994752
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/star-...ise-of-skywalker-spoilers.32492/post-10995717
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/star-...ise-of-skywalker-spoilers.32492/post-11080195
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/star-...rise-of-skywalker-spoilers.32492/post-6048222
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/star-...ise-of-skywalker-spoilers.32492/post-11450032
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/star-...ise-of-skywalker-spoilers.32492/post-11104330
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Filoni did say when TCW was starting out that he aimed to keep it as canon compliant and retcon free as possible, right? I didn't imagine that?
If he said that I imagine he meant he'd hew close to whatever George Lucas was saying, as he was still involved at that point and gave no shits about running roughshod over established Clone Wars EU canon at the time. Once George backed out of Star Wars entirely it probably got to Filoni's head that whatever he said was now canon.
He did mention wanting to follow SW lore more faithfully at conventions before the show's premiere, which included the EU. Filoni even did a livechat years ago where he bragged about his faithfulness in TFW, but he kept getting shit wrong when asked and people started calling him clueless at which point the chat fell apart. He also claimed that he consulted with Hidalgo and Chee on lore regularly, but he would just ignore them when he didn't like the answers, even when Hidalgo was right about something and actually did his fucking job, since Filoni would just go over their heads and go straight to George when they pointed out facts he didn't like so he could have his way.
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In the video above he describes his logic behind constantly sparing and reviving characters despite never achieving fuck all, and Eeth Koth was only brought back just to serve as cameo fodder for the rest of the show's run and later being made an order 66 survivor in nu-canon (where he was then killed in a Vader comic in 2015 no one read which I'm sure Filoni will retcon once he gets to it). Filoni even wanted to save Plo Koon despite the motherfucker blowing up right before our eyes in ROTS with his ideas for it sounding absolutely insane to the point where both George and Henry Gilroy couldn't take it seriously, and George even started teasing Filoni for his obsessive love for Plo Koon.
TFN: Do you have a plan for why Ahsoka doesn’t appear in Revenge of the Sith?

Henry: Hmmm. Are you asking about the ‘theatrical’ version of Revenge of the Sith or the ‘Special Complete Perfect “Plo Doesn’t Die” Edition’ Revenge of the Sith? Psssst... You guys have no idea how powerful Filoni is getting at the Ranch.
Gilroy tried to warn us but nobody listened.
Dave: There is some truth to what Henry is saying. I once pitched George the idea that Plo had a parachute and that he bailed out of his fighter before it crashed.
Death is about as meaningless to this guy as it is in comic books and Dragon Ball.
Then George said he would only continue the scene and make Plo’s death more painful,
Based.
I think his parachute was going to catch fire and he falls on something sharp. I even pitched Plo being added at the end of Return of the Jedi as a Blue Ghost but that didn’t go over either.
JFC Filoni...
As for Ahsoka’s future... I have ideas, even outlines that answer your question very specifically.
Yes and we're seeing how that's turning out...
Henry: George likes to tease Dave about his affection for Plo. Early on in one meeting he said, “Only a diseased mind thinks Plo Koon is the best character.”
If only they knew to take that shit more seriously.
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Guy even kept a Plo Koon mannequin in his office alongside his wall of furdom. He even named Plo Koon's unit "Wolf Pack" and featured the fucker in almost everything. He even considered making Plo Koon be the one to save Baby Yoda in Mandalorian at one point, as a "joke" he claims.
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Imagine how reactions would've been if it had been this fucker in the season 2 finale.

George having no heirs is really the only reason he let Filoni do whatever he wanted, much like how he let his daughter run wild with that Dathomir arc to see if it would boot her interest in succeeding him. George even wanted Ahsoka dead for Order 66, but Filoni refused to let her go for some reason, forcing George to comply to keep Wolfman happy when it became clear his daughter wouldn't be interested in following in his footsteps and that Disney wouldn't be able to rake in more cash from TFW merch if the girl died.

Speaking of Ahsoka, Filoni used to draw and compare Yoda to Gandalf back in the 2000s, but with the coming of Rebels his tism shifted towards wanting Ahsoka to become the true Gandalf of Star Wars even declaring that she will outlive all the legacy characters except maybe Chewbacca after twitter was abuzz after PlanIX had Ahsoka's ghost voice in it, so Dave went to twitter with the pic below of Gandalf and Ahsoka laughing off the idea that they will ever fucking die.
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Oh and here's Filoni on twitter showing off how Ahsoka gets to talk to the literal God of the Fanfiction Gray Jedis in nu-canon and how she's destined for great change. Guy even gave her the callsign of Fulcrum if it wasn't evident enough.
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And Disneyfags like to brag that they're above fanfic gray jedi cringe and pretend their nu-shit isn't full of it.

Mark my words, Wolfman Dave will bring back Plo Koon and Mace Windu eventually while we witness Ahsoka ascend to Godhood once Dave reminds his audience that she has goddess juice inside her along with a goddess owl following her around all the time.
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Posts include images, links, videos and interviews of the wolfaboo including his most infamous claim of taking credit for Maul's revival rather than it being George's idea like so many other sources claim. I can try and format all of this into a mini bio like the others if you all want.


Also @5t3n0g0ph3r is there any chance of the mini bios on the Disney-Lucasfilm heads I wrote in my last post getting added to the OP (shortened, edited or whatever or just as links to the posts)? If not, that's fine. I just worry I'll have to repeat this all again in like another 50 pages.
 
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Jesus Christ 18 minutes of this clown whining. I'll go on in this shit and describe the video until we get the reason. I'll likely stop when we get there since I don't want this clown to be in my recommendeds.

So his intro comes off as Baghdad Bob tier propaganda, bleating and honking about a culture war he's totally fighting for. Ignore that this ass clown regularly makes a point to wait for other people to say the talking points and leaks he'll parrot. Ignore how he tries to make people watch product, consoom it, and how any minute it's gonna be saved. He genuinely can't stop lying about his influence, especially given he's used as a joke by his own peers nowadays.

So his actual video shocked me. HE ACTUALLY SPRUNG FOR REAL GREEN SCREEN STUDIO SHIT FOR ONCE. Given how last time I seriously watched him he was reduced to babbling in front of a van de graff generator that's an improvement. His uniform improved from earlier, but he still has a shit helmet.

He talks about how the true holiday is the 25th, but he does talk up May 4th quite a bit even as he shills for Revenge of the 5th. Comes off as waffly.

He lies about getting a source for a Vader tv show, when in reality he likely stole it from /tv/ or reddit. He tries to rationalize the Kenobi and Vader show being back to back makes sense, when honestly no it doesn't. I'm listening and he sounds like if Collider was told by Disney to try and poopoo the brand while still upselling it at the same time. It's really pathetic.

He says Kenobi might deliver a win, before trying to decry propaganda in a child's show, only after the outrage happened.

And the reason he's claiming Star Wars is doomed is because his channel didn't get a ton of views on his video announcing that there's totally a Vader series guys trust /tv/ err my sources. He then blames its awful view count on the Algorithm rather than his stagnating channel and reputation for being a blatant fibber. Seriously, he's been mocked by the others in the Fandom Menace for being a liar and clickbaiter; that does tank views.

He then tries to downsell that NONONO, he's NOT using just his shit metrics! It's totally the comments GUYS! Doomcuck then tries to pretend that he will totally be fair on the comments, and is apparently stunned that no one wants a Vader show at all.

So yeah, the reason he's proclaiming that Disney is Dead-Dead is entirely because he's angy his little clickbait of there being a Vader show did like shit views wise and the comments saying "lol fuck that show idea".

ADDENDUM: OH GOD HE SOUNDS SO MUCH LIKE AN ANGRY CORPORATE DRONE! He is not happy that the PLEBS he tries to get to hate-watch Disney doesn't want this shit! He is honest to god trying to sell this show to them! Seriously watch at about 4 minutes in and you can smell the talking points; it doesn't seem like Socratic Questioning or sarcasm... he's genuinely tilted even as he reads the comments saying fuck this show.

DOOMCUCK 5TH COLUMNIST AND PAID SHILL FUCKING CONFIRMED.
So when DuckCock always refers to comics and movies as modern myths. Is he really trying to compare ancient Greek heroes like Hercules Perseus Odysseus etc. to the likes of Luke Skywalker and Superman?
 
So when DuckCock always refers to comics and movies as modern myths. Is he really trying to compare ancient Greek heroes like Hercules Perseus Odysseus etc. to the likes of Luke Skywalker and Superman?
Yes, in between trying to pretend he isn't a corporate shill that hypes up product for hatebase to hate-consoom.
 
So when DuckCock always refers to comics and movies as modern myths. Is he really trying to compare ancient Greek heroes like Hercules Perseus Odysseus etc. to the likes of Luke Skywalker and Superman?
Its a common theme among consoomer types. They consider superhero movies and comic books sacred or on par with mythological or historical epics like Gilgamesh or the Odyssey in that they think they somehow define mankind and changed it for the better. Considering the sorry state of modern society and consumerism, that's probably true... in the worst way possible.
 
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just...just look at this shit
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I mean it's not all wrong...but it's not right either

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Leftists really like The Last Jedi for some reason. Is it because it pissed fanboys off so much and had an Asian girl and purple haired girl-boss?
They love TLJ because they're retarded, also to own the chuds or something like you said. It's the type of delusion I would expect from people who don't actually give a damn about Star Wars and it's annoying to see TLJ trend on twitter once a month.
also
>putting TFA and FUCKING TLJ on the same tier as ESB and ANH
Twitter is just a contest to see who has the shittiest opinion of all time
 
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