Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

How well is the war this going for Russia?

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  • ⭐⭐ Stalemate

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So how did Zelensky trick the Russians into invading? Jewish magic? I vehemently dislike Zelensky, but the Russians were retarded here and bear the blame. I defended the Russians before the invasion because I thought they were simply posturing and that an invasion is so fucking stupid that only the people at CNN could think it likely, and then the fucking monkey in Kremlin pulls the ultimate retard move and fucks everyone over. An absolute disaster, and it's pathetic to see people try to paint the Russians as the victim in this scenario
The funniest part of the war has been watching Putin shills silently implode.

Used to spend time in an internet community that endlessly shilled Russia after the annexation of Crime. Watching Putin continuely impoverishing the Russian population gradually humbled them and finally the failed invasion made the last pro-Putin voices disappear. Now they just view Russia as the cesspool it is.


Finally, to all western Putin fans: the difference between Merkel and Putin is that Putin has let more muslims into his country and has cracked down on nationalist voices far harder than Merkel ever did.
 
I know its been said before but if a hostile power moved into say, Mexico and started a military buildup in the the other side of the Rio Grande, we'd have a similar situation. We'd invade Mexico, and Mexico itself would not be the goal, but the removal of hostile forces would be.

We invaded Mexico once before, and the US would not hesitate to do it again.

This could simply be another era where something like The Seven Years War occurs and spills over into the Americas, like the French and Indian Wars did. I'm sure the average Spaniard or bong soldier, or Kentucky trapper rarely contemplated the long term political implications of the war since they were busy trying not to get killed but it had a tremendous impact on the entire world and re-aligned the political fortunes of several European monarchies.

It also resulted in the American Revolution, because Americans didn't want to pay for or die in wars that nothing to do with them. So they seceded from the British, much like Donetsk and Lugansk have.

This is all outlined in Strategy of Denial by Eldridge Colby, though the scenario there is China, it matches US policy in Ukraine nearly 100%. He advocates making the enemy conquest as difficult and brutal as possible, including embedding military with the civilian population, to disallow them the ability to easily take civilian population centers, then to isolate the enemy politically and economically as much as possible during the war to make any future military operations difficult.

There is even a term “Compellance” used to describe the actions they can take to provoke the enemy into making belligerent military movements. The enemy needs to strike first, and the enemy always gets a vote.

So the US strategy is to 1) make not going to war a difficult as possible. And once there is war 2) make that war as difficult and bloody as possible.

This has been described as nauseoum but we still get pee wee Herman takes “and then for no reason at all, Russia just decided to invade Ukraine”
 
I wish everyone a Happy V-E Day, and I wish the mothers here a Happy Mother's Day.

Took the work, service, and sacrifice of millions, both military and civilians, of many countries, to defeat Nazi Germany. The Soviet Union, counting both Russians and Ukrainians, men, women, and children, paid an unimaginable price for their role in the victory. Whether you support Russia or Ukraine in this war, those people's service and sacrifice in WWII needs to be remembered and honored. Read that for every American who died during WWII, eighty-five Soviets died, and I believe it.

Sadly, seems no matter where I look, such as my calendars, almanac, or on line, can't find a single mention of today being V-E Day, yet everyone is waiting with bated breath to see what will be said in Moscow tomorrow, for the Russian Victory Day. The Russians remember. Everyone should.
As an American I say we fought the wrong country in WW2
 
Kadyrov claims Nyzhnie has been captured. Yesterday night he claimed that the UAF had also been driven from the Zarya plant, completing the taking of Rubizhne. I've had my doubts about the effectiveness of the Chechens, but it seems that everywhere they go, the work gets finished a lot faster. After the war, it will be interesting to read about what they actually did and were good at, if anything.


In the southwest of the Donbas, the north of Shandryholove was taken, which further endangers Lyman. It seems fairly clear the Russians want to assault this city which is also important railway junction.

I also wonder what made the positions of the UAF in Popasna so untenable. They're not in any major danger of getting surrounded and as far as I know, supplies and reinforcements were getting there fairly regularly and without problems. Don't know if it wasn't a mistake abandoning such a well defended city, unless the Ukrainians were pushed off far more than the UAF lets on. Were Zolote and Orikhove too lightly defended to hold against a possible encirclement?

A UAF counter offensive is seemingly materializing in Zaporizhye, let's see how that pans out. I don't think the Russians will retreat too hastily from there, those frontlines are probably well fortified and manned, though who knows.
 
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And stop with the smugposting. You are the only continuously obnoxious person in the entire thread.
It's kinda useless to speak with this retard, mr. White. Don't you see?
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Can anyone explain to me what is Azov Batallion's endgame?
End up as "holy martyrs" along with the civilians they keep hostages with them. If there any left.

Either way they'll end up as heroes in westoid media. That's a part of their plan as well, to look like nobles fighting 'till the last breath against eastern mongoloid orks.
 
Here's a good vid about Wali and another Canadian who was with him called 'Shadow'
Super-Secret-Elite-Deadly-Sniper Wali ran off with his tail between his legs.
Shadow suddenly is tired of fighting. He's still in Ukraine but stays safely away from the front and is helping out there as much as he can.

 
I'm literally shaking right now.
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Gender equality incoming:
 
Because they're ghouls.

Online clout from pretending they care means more than anything to these nobodies.
These people milk anything and everything for their political benefit. Utterly disgusting. Then they wonder why people have no trust or confidence in government, law enforcement, or the judiciary at ANY level.
 
We're seriously at the petition stage of things. Azov should just do a Banzai charge and take as many of the Russians with them. But instead they're breaking out the good ol' trusty clipboard.
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That makes no sense. Guided munitions are great, but normal artillery is still king of the third world battlefield of Ukraine, which is what we're discussing, and not whatever American doctrine you're thinking of. Conventional artillery works just fine, as evidenced by advances.
As evidenced by advances, it works at 1916-1917 level. Even WWII tempo is unattainable for modern Russian army. "Conventional" (more fitting term is antiquated) artillery works until Soviet arsenals run out and it also puts serious strain on logistics (artillery shell is the heaviest type of munitions for frontline forces). Also, as you dig deeper into Soviet legacy, fuzes get less and less reliable.
Good thing the Russians have more than enough MLRS, conventional artillery and time to bombard every trench they see with tons of explosives until they get a direct hit. A 4 truck battery of GRADs will carpet an area with 160 rockets. Bombard an area 10 times like the Russians do and you're going to get lucky eventually.
Eventually, you will capture empty trenches with Ukr forces retreated to a next line (while wasting shit ton of time and shells). Each day, more Ukr troops are being mobilized, trained and supplied with whatever equipment the West sends them. Speed is necessary to cut off enemy forces instead of pushing them back. Now it's basically WWI but without enough manpower to compensate for attrition.
I've read plenty and have observed the advances of the Russian army as they happen. They all came after mass artillery bombardments for days at a time. Russian aviation only works mildly safely in the Donbas area, they're getting used, sure, but they are by no stretch of the imagination the main motor of the Russian push.
RuAF is operating at its peak performance, judging by sorties per day and sorties per units deployed. Most likely, the advance is stalling due to insufficient air support and mass artillery use is therefore a literal coping mechanism.
Holy fuck this isn't the 1940s. Artillery is used heavily in conjunction with spotter drones. You don't need an airplane or even guided ammunition to make sure your mortar shells, improvised grenade launcher artillery, or howitzer shells are hitting their targets. Drones spot even for MLRS that may not hit what they want.

And high-caliber bombs? Yeah, I'm sure the fact they're not getting bombed by an airplane really comforts the troops on the receiving end of a OF-462 HE shell or a Krasnopol fired from a MSTA-S, after all, they're only 20 or 50kg of explosives. No biggie.
And how exactly spotter drones will improve precision? The limiting factor is the unguided shell itself. Against moving/open targets drones will greatly improve the efficiency of artillery, against stationary targets - not so much.

Even FAB-250 has 100kg of explosives and can be dropped more or less precise, and Russian planes are flying at low altitudes anyway. Of course, it's more feasible to spend several trucks loaded with shells on platoon strong point because Codex Astartes the Holy Soviet Field Manual says so. Logistics is for fags.

Citation needed. They still haven't run out of Kalibrs or Iskanders and we've seen plenty of Krasnopol use lately, with the help of spotter drones, destroying UAF armor.
Kalibr and Iskander are operational level missiles. They cannot replace guided bombs or artillery shells, they're too expensive and inflexible. Russia has started using submarine-based Kalibrs. This modification cannot be launched from other platforms interchangeable, so it may be a sign of depleting supply.
I agree about Krasnopol, it's a good guided shell (), the only question is how widespread its use is.
 
The footage of the cruxification cuts off as soon as the fires reaches the feet, and I've never seen a longer version. Some people also questioned that footage because the man screams when being nailed but the act of lifting the cross would have made the man scream bloody murder as weight is placed on the hand and foot wounds.
The footage of the hangings also have a supposed Azov guy hold the woman to make sure she's facing the camera rather than spinning. This could indicate that the people involved are wearing a climbing harness that would show through the clothing if the body was allowed to rotate and show the back. As if they already knew that would happen from the first take they tried, so you're watching the second take.
Back in 2014 Russia was peddling fake stories about Ukrainians crucifying people. There was an effort to push several of them, but only the story about a little boy getting crucified at Lenin Square in Sloviansk gained traction.
From what I remember, Deugin was the first person bringing it up and then Russian and other news outlets picked it up. It was the same Alexander Deugin who wrote Foundations of Geopolitics, works as a professor, and what Russia has been doing for the last two decades aligns with what's outlined in Deugin's book. Many Russiaposters will frequently claim that he is a loon, no one takes him seriously, and it's all western fear mongering.

After the crucified boy got a lot of traction, people got interested. There was no evidence of the story given in the reports other than testimony of one woman and Deugin's quotes. Multiple news agencies, including Russian ones, went over to investigate. Investigations found no track of any crosses, no dead bodies, no police reports, no one knew anything, no one claimed credit. Only woman to speak about it on camera turned out to be a wife of a separatist soldier. Several details regarding the overall situation in Sloviansk turned out to be wrong too. Russian government-ran Channel One even retracted the story - something that very rarely happens. Later they tried to deny that this compromising story was ever aired. Crucifixion news stories stopped after that fiasco. Russian attack this year brought back another attempt to push crucifixions, but yet again most people do not buy these.

Crucifixion and burning video is one of the duds that did not gain any traction. I only saw it covered by small sensationalist news sites or shilled in fringe political spaces. It resurfaced once in a while, but people pointed out the fishy intro and ending. Video posters would vanish afterwards. Every time that video resurfaced, it was trimmed more and more to remove obviously fake parts. I posted screenshots of the removed intro and ending portion in the previous thread.
 
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As evidenced by advances, it works at 1916-1917 level. Even WWII tempo is unattainable for modern Russian army.
I think you're missing that WW2 tempo is at a completely different scale from this war. 10,000 dead in a battle in WW2 barely warrants a wiki page, 10,000 dead in a battle in this war would be catastrophic. WW2 is a completely different conflict, and not comparable to this. Nothing is, this is the first truly modern war fought between two more or less equally advanced powers.

"Conventional" (more fitting term is antiquated)
lol. Tell that to every army in the world.

artillery works until Soviet arsenals run out
Yeah, I'm sure the Russians have no idea of how to make artillery shells. They totally don't have some of the biggest arms factories in the world, and they most definitely have no way of stuffing propellant charge and a blasting cap into a metal tube, since that may as well be alien technology to the vatniks.

No offense but get a grip. Even Romania can manage to make D-20 howitzers and their own shells and you think the Russians don't have the capacity to feed a relatively small scale war?

and it also puts serious strain on logistics (artillery shell is the heaviest type of munitions for frontline forces).
Good thing that the Russian logistics train has gotten increasingly smaller and less vulnerable as the war goes on. We have no evidence that suggests the Russians have ever had any shortage of artillery shells anywhere. The shelling in the Donbas and Kharkiv is literally an hourly affair.
Also, as you dig deeper into Soviet legacy, fuzes get less and less reliable.
Do you think the Russians are exclusively working with shit built in the 1950s or something?

Eventually, you will capture empty trenches with Ukr forces retreated to a next line (while wasting shit ton of time and shells)
Yeah, and every day trenches which used to have Ukrainian forces get captured as well. Obviously the Ukrainian army isn't going to be destroyed to the last man.

. Each day, more Ukr troops are being mobilized, trained and supplied with whatever equipment the West sends them
As we all know, hastily trained and assembled troops tend to do great in combat and totally don't get slaughtered wholesale. If Ukraine wants to stand a chance, they better ask the West for at least 10,000 artillery pieces because no amount of infantry is going to save an army fighting another with air superiority,artillery supremacy and a lot more tanks, IFVs and APCs.

. Speed is necessary to cut off enemy forces instead of pushing them back.
No it really isn't. You're really stuck on this WW1 shit but we have cruise missiles now, dude. Nearly every railway connection in Ukraine has been battered to hell and back and is completely unusable. The Ukrainian Army has probably never been less mobile than it is with each passing day, and is probably mostly forced to move troops around in trucks and civilian vehicles, which is wildly inefficient since it is not only slow, but also far more prone to being ambushed and wastes more fuel per soldier transported than a train would.

RuAF is operating at its peak performance, judging by sorties per day and sorties per units deployed. Most likely, the advance is stalling due to insufficient air support and mass artillery use is therefore a literal coping mechanism.
How is the advance stalling? Popasna was taken, so was Nyzhnie, Yampol got taken a few days ago along with Zarichne, Rubizhne is taken. The advance was stalled a week ago, this week brought many advances. If you're expecting some retarded 40,000 man offensive to quickly gain ground you're completely delusional and stuck in the WW1 mentality. Artillery is more than accurate enough these days to batter most everything to shit before any of your soldiers even get to defensive positions. You're also stuck on the "fighting guerillas" attitude of muh air support, which is fucking stupid. The Ukrainians aren't the Taliban, they have tons of MANPADs and probably some SAMs still active, airpower isn't the end-all be all of warfare, denying your opponent air superiority is, which the Russians did when they gained it.

And how exactly spotter drones will improve precision?
Holy fuck you really are stuck in the 1900s.

>Drone operator spots target
>Calls in so artillery can zone in on it
>Artillery fires, misses
>Drone operator reports miss, tells them to re-adjust
>Artillery fires, hits

We've seen this happen literally a million times in this war already.

The limiting factor is the unguided shell itself. Against moving/open targets drones will greatly improve the efficiency of artillery, against stationary targets - not so much.
lol.

Even FAB-250 has 100kg of explosives and can be dropped more or less precise, and Russian planes are flying at low altitudes anyway. Of course, it's more feasible to spend several trucks loaded with shells on platoon strong point because Codex Astartes the Holy Soviet Field Manual says so. Logistics is for fags.
So combined arms don't real now? You either use planes or artillery? Because the Russians are using both. They just use artillery a lot more because it's far cheaper, safer and simpler, and basically almost as effective. You don't need a SU 34 to blow a hole in a machinegunner's firing point for fuck's sake.

Kalibr and Iskander are operational level missiles. They cannot replace guided bombs or artillery shells, they're too expensive and inflexible.
The Russians don't care and will drop them on Huracans and SMERCH systems all the same, lol

Russia has started using submarine-based Kalibrs.
They've been using them since the start of the war.
This modification cannot be launched from other platforms interchangeable, so it may be a sign of depleting supply.
Actually they ran out of PGMs February 29th.
 
Cool. Can't wait for the humanity's final headline, posted by CNN.

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It resurfaced once in a while, but people point out the fishy intro and ending. Video poster would vanish afterwards. Every time that video resurfaced, it was trimmed more and more to remove obviously fake parts. I posted screenshots of the removed intro and ending portion in the previous thread.
Lol it's on fucking youtube. Guess the guy is a hologram too. What do you think is fake about the intro or ending?
 
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