Off-Topic Ex-AF Political Discussion

[MoeKempinski]

Seeing Fuentes turn into what he is now was one of the biggest blackpills of the last 2 years.

Say what you want but his start was very promising. His format used to be more mature and in a way more alt-rightish than it is now but without
that weird white trash energy a lot of the other e-celebs had. If you look at his base during Groyper Wars 2019, you could clearly tell
that if the same movement would have grown, it might have actually had some kind of positive effect on society. For a guy of his age, his ability was almost
unreal. He was the only guy to actually be able to win debates. While spergs like Spencer and Allsup were nothing but a bad joke, Fuentes was truly
the knife. That was also the time when Metokur or guys like Sam Hyde approved his content.

I truly wonder what happened.

It is very obvious that right wing ideologies in their early stages attract people with more abnormal brains. A normal brainwashed NPC would not be able to go off at jewish power after years of brainwashing. That is where narcissist e-celebs come in... The people who dox themselves in order to spearhead movements like this all tend to be insane to some kind of extend. Otherwise they would settle for an anonymous format (in my opinion some of the more normal guys tend to be anonymous). To me it was always clear that Nick had some kind of mental issues, but I did not really mind it as his movement started out very promising and fresh. Guys like Jaden and Simon truly would have sacrificed everything for this movement and I believe that if they would have done more IRL stuff, they could have been much much bigger. Fuentes surely knows how to stir up attention and I have no clue what truly happened to him in the last years. Is it just that his greed and comfort took over? Was he approached by the actual powers that be?

Something in his eyes seems more hopeless and careless. His gratitude and hope, which I truly believe he possesed, seems to be gone.
All this anti-woman stuff is not optical at all and his lack of self awareness is truly mindblowing. I liked most of his 2019 women takes, and I think most guys could relate.
But now he turned into a twink incel faggot, who talks way too much about Spongebob and Star Wars in effort to attract some weird affemiate faggots.

When did he turn into such a wigger faggot? It seems like all of his bad characteristics got worse, and the good ones vanished.

 

[NetVet]

Seeing Fuentes turn into what he is now was one of the biggest blackpills of the last 2 years.

This just means you're not the sharpest tool in the shed, buddy.

I was legitimately doing daily "antipropaganda" about Fuentez and his faggots before corona, and I namefagged while I was doing it, to a point where year later anons would reply "are you the guy?" because I was doing it basically every time I'd go on pol, I'd never read anything else just Nick related shit and went all in sperging about it there.

And the reason why I did it because I knew - like any normal non-mutt high IQ individual would know, sense that this nick faggot is a timewasting gatekeeping piece of shit with too much pull and too much clout, sucking the energy out of young kids in their most problematic impressionable phase of their life.

I saw it as utter evil, even more than kike shit, because with kikes you know EXACTLY where you stand, the lines were drawn thousands of years ago and if you fall for a kike trick or ignore that line - it's on you and your dumbass for trusting them. Simple.

With Nick or anyone like him however, I saw something repulsive and disgusting, something that's worse than being an enemy and that is - traitor. I couldn't believe how anyone in their right mind would fall for his PERSONAL GRIFT. I just couldn't get it, it pissed me off and that's why I spammed about it all day back in the day.

What happened to Nick is a fucking whitepill, but the only "blackpill" it might be considered here is how long it took for him to be taken down, embarrassed and irreversibly lolcow'd forever. If people were normal and sane, his faggot cover would be blown in 6 months. But it took almost 6 fucking years I can't believe the grift lasted so long.

Fuck it, now that I think about it, yeah, you're actually right I digress. Six years playing retard mutts like a fiddle, surely is blackpilling. And maybe it's a sign that it's fucking over, because as one e-celeb disappears, consumerist desperate desolate rootless mutts will desperately try to find ANOTHER one, and it will be as pointless, as spergy, fed gayop idiot just like this mexican fagget. You're fucking right, this IS the most blackpilling stuff in past xyz years.

The fact that he wasn't beaten to a pulp by his inner circle in a hostile takeover/damage control of AF on that very same day when the Kami date video dropped is a blackpill in and of itself.

 

[Null]

This just means you're not the sharpest tool in the shed, buddy.

That's not really fair. A lot, a lot, a lot of young people in the US and Europe are looking for 'someone' with practical ways of improving their prospects. It's entirely reasonable for those people to latch on to Nick Fuentes. As long as they get out before ending up in jail they're not idiots.

There's a discussion between Tucker Carlson and Moldbug. It's worth listening to if you're someone depressed over what's happened with Nick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_8aT3pQo_I

Simply put, conservatives are now prey animals and if you want to survive you got to live like a prey animal. Anyone sticking their neck out to lead the herd of gazelle will be the first ones eaten by lions. So don't do that.

People get excited by Elon Musk and Trump because they're rich and can use that positions to more easily enact change the gazelle (us) cannot. If you really want to change things, you can't go from 18-year-old kid to top gazelle. Root yourself in something substantial and then use that position to be the change you want to see. Doing that backwards just makes you lunch.

 

[MoeKempinski]

This just means you're not the sharpest tool in the shed, buddy.

I was legitimately doing daily "antipropaganda" about Fuentez and his faggots before corona, and I namefagged while I was doing it, to a point where year later anons would reply "are you the guy?" because I was doing it basically every time I'd go on pol, I'd never read anything else just Nick related shit and went all in sperging about it there.

I think maybe you misinterpreted my post a bit - maybe I also was a bit unspecific with my words.

I never saw Fuentes as a saviour of the white race. In fact I saw him more as a better version of a Milo or Shapiro as he would be able to be charismatic, funny and convert people to have the right outlook on quite a lot of issues. He could have had the potential to increase the size of the movement and be a good starting point for people.
I am sure that a lot of former groypers eventually moved on to other outlets, but you gotta be kidding if you would think that "real" movements like TRS/NJP would ever appeal to a majority.

If you wanna coup a government or form a parallel society, you need a substantial amount of people.

Fuentes Israel-pilled a lot of people, and initially would tell people to start families, get children, etc.
What was bad about it? His optics war was about fat inbred guys throwing romans in public..

And intitially I really believed that the individuals Fuentes was able to garner in 2019 (mostly solid looking, masculine guys - great optics really) would have been able to grow this movement. New people (with less mental issues) could have submerged from it and it seemed to promising to my (maybe young and naive) eyes.

But then indeed it turned out to be a huge, gay, grift.

I already stopped following Fuentes around early 2020 because his show got repetitive as fuck, but now that this great amount of casino content is surfacing I decided to join this board.

 

[NetVet]

That's not really fair. A lot, a lot, a lot of young people in the US and Europe are looking for 'someone' with practical ways of improving their prospects. It's entirely reasonable for those people to latch on to Nick Fuentes. As long as they get out before ending up in jail they're not idiots.

I know what you mean but I also see that very reasoning as a problem, I really see it as a sign of laziness more than anything else, hey we follow this manlet idiot and one day he'll make us all rich or in power, whatever, he'll solve the problem and we'll be here waiting behind him, shitposting in the meantime.

The same level of delusion surrounds the charade of "voting for a president", don't want to paraphrase Molymeme and the long gone argument time, but at this point it's downright delusional to think anyone can do any change "within the government". The whole spergtastic plan of Nick, the whole "we shall infiltrate the government with groypers" is so retarded, and when he first started saying that shit I couldn't believe how can anyone listen to his dumbass, saying something as stupid and delusional with a straight face.

And no, the "I'm an irony bro it's irony, bro" cope doesn't work here either. To think that a "infiltrated secret powerlevel hidden groyper" will one day steer the direction of US Government in any scenario, by any metric, was another giant red flag to anyone with a brain to fucking run away from that shit. We shouldn't tolerate or presume that people are that stupid.

 

[NynchLiggers]

I know what you mean but I also see that very reasoning as a problem, I really see it as a sign of laziness more than anything else, hey we follow this manlet idiot and one day he'll make us all rich or in power, whatever, he'll solve the problem and we'll be here waiting behind him, shitposting in the meantime.

The same level of delusion surrounds the charade of "voting for a president", don't want to paraphrase Molymeme and the long gone argument time, but at this point it's downright delusional to think anyone can do any change "within the government". The whole spergtastic plan of Nick, the whole "we shall infiltrate the government with groypers" is so retarded, and when he first started saying that shit I couldn't believe how can anyone listen to his dumbass, saying something as stupid and delusional with a straight face.

And no, the "I'm an irony bro it's irony, bro" cope doesn't work here either. To think that a "infiltrated secret powerlevel hidden groyper" will one day steer the direction of US Government in any scenario, by any metric, was another giant red flag to anyone with a brain to fucking run away from that shit. We shouldn't tolerate or presume that people are that stupid.

I think anal firsters at this point care little about the success and supposed goals of their moviment by now.
It's cult hugbox for incels to see a homosexual parrot their ideas about women and saying their depravities are cool because it doesn't involve females.

 

[Smarty Pants]

I think maybe you misinterpreted my post a bit - maybe I also was a bit unspecific with my words.

I never saw Fuentes as a saviour of the white race. In fact I saw him more as a better version of a Milo or Shapiro as he would be able to be charismatic, funny and convert people to have the right outlook on quite a lot of issues. He could have had the potential to increase the size of the movement and be a good starting point for people.
I am sure that a lot of former groypers eventually moved on to other outlets, but you gotta be kidding if you would think that "real" movements like TRS/NJP would ever appeal to a majority.

If you wanna coup a government or form a parallel society, you need a substantial amount of people.

Fuentes Israel-pilled a lot of people, and initially would tell people to start families, get children, etc.
What was bad about it? His optics war was about fat inbred guys throwing romans in public..

And intitially I really believed that the individuals Fuentes was able to garner in 2019 (mostly solid looking, masculine guys - great optics really) would have been able to grow this movement. New people (with less mental issues) could have submerged from it and it seemed to promising to my (maybe young and naive) eyes.

But then indeed it turned out to be a huge, gay, grift.

I already stopped following Fuentes around early 2020 because his show got repetitive as fuck, but now that this great amount of casino content is surfacing I decided to join this board.

Well if you want White Nationalism you do need movements like NJP. You'll never appeal to a majority because of the simple reality that the US is demographically fucked. The optics thing, TRS and guys like that agreed that the swastika and roman shit is bad optics, and they don't do it anymore.

Fuentes never Israel-pilled anyone for the simple reason that he doesn't know shit about Israel, Zionism and foreign policy. He's just spouting memes he saw on Twitter - that's not anti-Zionist activism.

If you want to talk about "solid looking guys" (kinda gay tbh), you had wignat groups like RAM that got done in by the feds that were all about masculinity and working out.

If you ever thought that an incel Mexican twink that clearly doesn't read books was the answer to anything you are a fucking retard. His only real activism is having people fuck with Charlie Kirk on his behalf.

 

[Ishtar]

It is very obvious that right wing ideologies in their early stages attract people with more abnormal brains. A normal brainwashed NPC would not be able to go off at jewish power after years of brainwashing. That is where narcissist e-celebs come in... The people who dox themselves in order to spearhead movements like this all tend to be insane to some kind of extend.

No one who is well adjusted and has anything to lose will shout about Jewish power under their own name and face the extreme censure and backlash that entails. Which is why a lot of far right leaders are often freaks, degenerates, or at best people who have calculated they have nothing to lose from being seen as Public enemy No. 1 by the ADL. Either they have a shield/cushion of family wealth or they just don't care.

Its suicidal enough to be publicly associated with these movements, its even worse to be a leader of one. Well adjusted people who are upwardly mobile and don't have either deviant tendencies or some other abnormal behavior aren't going to throw their lives and that of their families/friends away because "da jooz." They just aren't. This leads to dysfunction where the followers are expecting Adolf Hitler, and they get Heimbach and Spencer.

So they spatter and fail. Jewish power remains unbroken, White majorities decline, and non White hordes continue to pour in, rinse and repeat.

 

[MoeKempinski]

Well if you want White Nationalism you do need movements like NJP. You'll never appeal to a majority because of the simple reality that the US is demographically fucked. The optics thing, TRS and guys like that agreed that the swastika and roman shit is bad optics, and they don't do it anymore.

Fuentes never Israel-pilled anyone for the simple reason that he doesn't know shit about Israel, Zionism and foreign policy. He's just spouting memes he saw on Twitter - that's not anti-Zionist activism.

If you want to talk about "solid looking guys" (kinda gay tbh), you had wignat groups like RAM that got done in by the feds that were all about masculinity and working out.

If you ever thought that an incel Mexican twink that clearly doesn't read books was the answer to anything you are a fucking retard. His only real activism is having people fucking with Charlie Kirk on his behalf.

Fuentes constantly pushed "WWII revisionism" during his early days. Most of his points aligned with TRS in fact. I just thought that he disavowed them, so he could grow in popularity.
He clearly named "da jooz" quite a lot, and all of his audience knew it was far from ironic. A lot of people were radicalized by Fuentes and eventually abandoned him over his gay, incel, spergy traits (these traits got worse and worse over the years).

Talking about feds.. do you believe that these institutions are so powerful that no meaningful movement can ever form again?
What would you propose to any "fucking retard" during these times?
Is the world just going to be brown and gay now and we should watch BAP sitting in our off the grid farms?

In the last years I have stopped consuming most commentators because I see it as timewaste and leaned towards more "local causes" and building a reliable circle of friends with common views.

 

[Gambio Grift]

Well if you want White Nationalism you do need movements like NJP. You'll never appeal to a majority because of the simple reality that the US is demographically fucked. The optics thing, TRS and guys like that agreed that the swastika and roman shit is bad optics, and they don't do it anymore.

Isn't america already fucked irreversably in terms of demographic, even if they stopped immigration (which they wont) america is still on track to becoming majority non-white within a generation. Unless more hispanic become considered white, there is no way to get the numbers up. Is there any real way to counter mandatory 12-16 year brainwashing camps of academy

 

[Michael Pemulis]

I don't consider myself ex-AF, I was just a casual member of circles that sympathized with them, but I still got a pretty good idea of how it worked. It became clear very quickly that they had no interest in trying to better understand issues so they could actually choose the correct view, they just wanted to fall in line (or, have you fall in their line) and spam memes. It ultimately got me on the road to accepting that I have almost nothing in common with the "far-right", and I can't even say with certainty that I am part of the right wing at all.

The point that really got me questioning this was "collectivism". They loved to throw that word around but had absolutely no idea what it meant, and certainly had no appreciation for the fact that you can't just casually 'be' a collectivist as your political ideology. I'm not going to elaborate on this unless someone wants a serious discussion, it's just too long. But that's the point, it is this very abstract and complicated concept that was in the hands of dumb children who just wanted to T-pose.

 

[I'mma real anime gurl]

Whenever I first saw Nick, it's not Nick the fucking catboy fucker or Nick the gayopper. His name was Nick the knife, a kid denied essentially normal American shit because of his opinions. Like the kid had potential to be a zoomer Tucker Carlson and it made me felt sorry for him because he was essentially screwed with because of politics. Seeing Nick seemingly go out of his way to fucking alienate every normal person for groomable incels and failures makes me think he wasted his potential. Nick from the past would hate Nick of the now.

 

[Paladin Derich]

Combo of youth, no life experience, and fed involvement. Zoomers have no business in leading a movement. Maybe after 15-20 years when they have mud on their boots. Otherwise they can't relate to anyone other than dipshits on stream sites.

 

[Smarty Pants]

Fuentes constantly pushed "WWII revisionism" during his early days. Most of his points aligned with TRS in fact. I just thought that he disavowed them, so he could grow in popularity.
He clearly named "da jooz" quite a lot, and all of his audience knew it was far from ironic. A lot of people were radicalized by Fuentes and eventually abandoned him over his gay, incel, spergy traits (these traits got worse and worse over the years).

I don't give a fuck about naming the Jews if you're not actually forming a coherent critique. Fuentes was always only spouting memes to people who were willing to receive the message. He really doesn't know shit about Jewish power and Zionism, which is a really complex issue that requires a lot of research which Nick never did. I don't really know whether he actually radicalized anyone, I think it was people like you who are looking for a "practical" and "optical" approach to antisemitism and racism. There really is no such thing. You either die a wignat or live long enough to see yourself become a catboy.

Talking about feds.. do you believe that these institutions are so powerful that no meaningful movement can ever form again?
What would you propose to any "fucking retard" during these times?
Is the world just going to be brown and gay now and we should watch BAP sitting in our off the grid farms?

In the last years I have stopped consuming most commentators because I see it as timewaste and leaned towards more "local causes" and building a reliable circle of friends with common views.

I'm sure that if a dissident movement the feds will not hesitate to go to extreme lengths to squash them. The FBI is the political police of the US. Let's not forget that they've staged literal terrorist attacks where people have died (the bomb used in the 1996 WTC bombing was supplied by the feds). I look at the TRS podcasts and other content creators as strictly informative resources. If you have a hard-on for a being apart of a "real" political movement, you should really just join the GOP.

If you want to make actual change, I personally believe that the best course of action is to focus on improving yourself and becoming wealthy and influential. Marching and yelling into megaphones never really did shit.

 

[Michael Pemulis]

He really doesn't know shit about Jewish power and Zionism, which is a really complex issue that requires a lot of research which Nick never did.

Exactly. You hear all this ridiculous /x/ shit about "dude they literally pray to a serpent lmao!" because people are too uneducated and lazy to figure out that Judaism is just a tool for keeping Jews cooperating as a tribe. They have very few fundamentalists, and at least half of them don't even believe in God. It's a set of folklore that they share so one Jew can find common ground with another Jew even if they have never met them before. It's this unity that makes Jews willing to virtually all say the exact same thing about the holocaust, the USS liberty, etc. They (rightfully) see the group's interest in the narrative being a certain way as being more important that pedantically insisting on the truth.

It's basically what everyone else should be striving to do with their own group, making a common narrative that accommodates the different sorts of people within the group so they can share goodwill and fall in line when the collective interest demands it. Yet, all the alleged attempts at this (like AF) are incredibly narcissistic and can't look beyond their own petty desires.

 

[DaBigBopper]

That's not really fair. A lot, a lot, a lot of young people in the US and Europe are looking for 'someone' with practical ways of improving their prospects. It's entirely reasonable for those people to latch on to Nick Fuentes. As long as they get out before ending up in jail they're not idiots.

There's a discussion between Tucker Carlson and Moldbug. It's worth listening to if you're someone depressed over what's happened with Nick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_8aT3pQo_I

Simply put, conservatives are now prey animals and if you want to survive you got to live like a prey animal. Anyone sticking their neck out to lead the herd of gazelle will be the first ones eaten by lions. So don't do that.

People get excited by Elon Musk and Trump because they're rich and can use that positions to more easily enact change the gazelle (us) cannot. If you really want to change things, you can't go from 18-year-old kid to top gazelle. Root yourself in something substantial and then use that position to be the change you want to see. Doing that backwards just makes you lunch.

I think it all comes back to how in the past three decades education focused on girls at all levels. I really don't want to sound like a whiney 'muh feminism' faggot from 2008-2012, but a lot of young boys get fucked over because girls get prioritized for resources in a lot of schools. I don't know what the fuck is Nick's malfunction, but a lot of guys around his age have a lot of anger about being emasculated. I wouldn't say he's very masculine, but he tries to emulate certain behaviors that have been long thought of as masculine.

To digress a little, my grandfather taught me a lot about cooking and preparing animals when we would go hunting or fishing. As a kid I got made fun of for that shit, I didn't have a game console or anything, I generally had to do chores and had weekly responsibilities and most kids I grew up with were better off then my family so I was fucked outta luck when we talked about any game not on my cousins SNES or the PC that had System Shock 2. As I've grown older it's fucking terrifying how useless a lot of people are, but how a lot of the people I grew up with just kinda stayed static. They don't really have hobbies, and just smoke weed and watch movies.
I think a lot of Nick's audience isn't the guys who smoke weed, but have no direction. They don't have a lot of skills beyond a Middle Class/ Lower Class education and aren't really gonna be singled out for any ethnic scholarship if there's a girl of equal academic standing. When he started out he was more tolerable than Ben Shapiro and could vocalize a lot of the shit that his audience had seen or experienced.


Nick just stands out to me as someone who's only skill is talking about bullshit on the internet and he's not really even that good at that. I don't know if his sister is doing better than him, but he just seems resentful.

 

[byuu]

He was the only guy to actually be able to win debates. While spergs like Spencer and Allsup were nothing but a bad joke, Fuentes was truly
the knife. That was also the time when Metokur or guys like Sam Hyde approved his content.

Wow, he totally owned some sperg in an internet debate!
Next stop: The White House.

 

[Null]

Wow, he totally owned some sperg in an internet debate!
Next stop: The White House.

Worked for Trump.

 

[Top Skink]

That's not really fair. A lot, a lot, a lot of young people in the US and Europe are looking for 'someone' with practical ways of improving their prospects. It's entirely reasonable for those people to latch on to Nick Fuentes. As long as they get out before ending up in jail they're not idiots.

I don't think it's reasonable if they're intentionally deluding themselves. I don't doubt that a lot of young guys got into AF because they feel society is against them and want substantive change, but still latching onto a personality/group long after it's made abundantly clear it has no intention of actual real-world change is just retarded. But I don't think a lot of these guys are retarded, rather a lot are lazy or losers and like hearing a message that says nothing is your fault, it's all on everyone else, you don't need to do anything because you're already based, redpilled, and white*.

Hearing your politics reaffirmed is a heroin-level hit of serotonin and someone excusing all responsibility and fault in your lifestyle is equally as addicting. The reality is that if these guys do genuinely care about their society they need to sober up and start taking real steps to undo the harm they see- namely by being an integral, functional piece of society pushing back.
The great irony of people like Fuentes is they'll go for hours on end about how the west has been subverted, our institutions infiltrated and hollowed out, so on. But rather than urging your followers to be a new wave of educators, workers, unseen bureaucrats, communal influences, etc., who sneak in and subvert those institutions back, they say the solution is to donate to their patreon and tell everyone how cool they are.

If you want to make actual change, I personally believe that the best course of action is to focus on improving yourself and becoming wealthy and influential. Marching and yelling into megaphones never really did shit.

Dead on. You can find a lot of people writing all the way back from the 30's and 40's about how academia is being quietly flooded by extremists occupying everyday positions and using their influence to push changes they could never get from the outside. This slowly compounds into takeover of entire institutions without any alarms- think Bracton College from That Hideous Strength.
I see a metric fuckload of people complaining constantly about academia, but rather than jumping down into the trenches and fixing it the same way it broke, they just want to moan and whinge on twitter. Become a pillar of your community and then use your power to enact change

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

The thing I don't get with AF is what exactly is the point of a Zoomer/Millenial right wing political movement? Like with Gen-X and Boomers there is the justification of them being alive when America was what it claims to be. But those two were born around 9/11 and by the time they were old enough to understand the world, America lost its freedom, justice and American way of life due to Patriot Act, big tech and Obama. So it's kind of fighting for a thing you never experienced that you only know from you grandad and old Sitcoms.
And another question is what's exactly the plan was? Even if Nick became a dictator with unlimited power (assuming that wouldn't end exactly as we all think it would), America faces apocalyptic problem like the national debt, being owned largely by corpos and exporting its industry. In some ways it would have been better just to take over a small state with agriculture and hope the USA army won't invade it.