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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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NATO exists because it is the international arm of the US Military and the US Military likes to keep its bases spread all over Europe and elsewhere. Meanwhile, Europeans are too fucking scared to kick the US out of their countries. Speaking of which, how many EU nations have military bases in the US...?
Your ability to repeat stuff you see in 4chan memes is amazing, however the US has always obliged requests to vacate their military in Europe. France had US bases that it vacated on request, as they did in Kyrgyzstan, the Philippines, Panama and several other sovereign nations that no longer wanted a permanent US military presence.
 
Russia poses no threat to the US, let Europe deal with their shit. Meanwhile our biggest adversary is China and this only strengthens their position..
You are some sort of troll. Europe is an ally and vast market for the US. Germany is the largest exporter of cars on earth. The aircraft carrier fleet of Red China is outmatched just with combined fleets of Britain, France and Spain. China is only a threat to maybe the Philippines and perhaps India at a stretch, taking some mountain areas from it in the early 60s. Putin is a literal neighbor from who has menaced or attacked all who are not under his sway, for instance menaces from proxies against Azerbaijan and some 'stan
I didn't realize the EU even had a military. They just beg the US to help fight their battles. So no, who the fuck needs EU?



All you guys do is talk about how weak Russia is and how they can't even handle Ukraine, why would it matter if they helped China?



Again, all you talk about is how weak Russia is, now all of a sudden you're saying they're some major force that the US should worry about? Which is it?
Most of what Ukraine uses is still from the stores of European NATO members, particularly former Warsaw Pact states. That the US military industrial complex want to showcase some of their toys (lest countries are seduced by affordable solutions like the Bayraktar drone) is of benefit to all Americans as the aid just means the Ukrainians are buying American and owing the US.

The Chinese still fail to make successful copies of some quite old aircraft from the Sukhoi design bureau (their SU-33 copy cannot stop crashing), and their aircraft carrier capability is a poor joke.

Honestly China would be easier to sanction. Their holdings of US and European debt can just be cancelled be it Eurobond and US Treasury securities or any other interest bearing debt. Whatever pathetic provocation they engage in can be taken as a force majeur for that, and the US (and any country or bloc (ie the EU) with a reserve currency) can just create more money to pay its own debts, at worst. Unlike Russia which provide hydrocarbons, gold, platinum and other strategic resources, there is nothing essential that comes from China, nothing. Their investments are a very dubious benefit and are usually motivated by wanting to pirate IP and gain political influence (say with Cambodia and even in anywhere from the US to Australia) Almost everything from PRC is low value and can be made anywhere, which is happening already with factories sprouting up in South East Asia. Russia probably thought it had a strong economic hold over Europe whether from hydrocarbons and economic holdings, but that proved a very limited obstacle to sanctions. It was helped by Putin's relentless foot shooting. The only sanction needed against PRC is stop selling it food. Empty bellies would resolve any Chicom attitude problems eventually (although the Chicoms care little about their people except as a resource). Yet unlike Russia, China does not a history of cheap menaces and violence against its neighbors (or at worst much less of a history of that). Their rhetoric is far more moderate.
Weak allies are still allies, and that applies to both China and the EU. Also, the EU has a substantial sub fleet (UK) and the world's only other nuclear carrier, the French Charles de Gaulle. Oh, and a not-insignificant arms industry, even if they have most of it idled when they aren't exporting thanks to non-existent domestic spending on defense. If ramped up to provide for Ukraine, their own militaries have the potential to become greatly improved from what they are now, especially if the USA can kick their asses into gear.

What, you think FN Herstal and H&K wouldn't be happy to sell shit to Europe? Hell, FN's sales to the USA are probably the only thing keeping Belgium from completely disintegrating at the moment.
France has little bases all over the Francafrique and overseas Departements all over the world. Britain too has this sort of useful reach.

Putin has blood cancer, oligarch recorded saying​


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Medical experts suspect steroids have given President Putin a puffy face
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President Putin is “very ill with blood cancer”, an oligarch close to the Kremlin is reported to have said.

The unnamed oligarch was recorded discussing Putin’s health with a Western venture capitalist in mid-March in a recording obtained by New Lines, a US magazine.

The Russian says in the recording that Putin had surgery on his back linked to his blood cancer shortly before ordering the invasion of Ukraine. He complains that the president has gone “crazy”.



He says that there is deep dissatisfaction in Moscow about the state of the economy and, appearing to speak on behalf of other oligarchs, says “we all hope” that Putin dies.

“He absolutely ruined Russia’s economy, Ukraine’s economy and many other economies — ruined [them] absolutely,” the oligarch says. “The problem is with his head. One crazy guy can turn the world upside down.”



There has been speculation about Putin’s health after he was seen on several occasions walking with an apparent limp. During an awkward meeting last month with Sergei Shoigu, the defence minister, Putin was seen gripping the side of a table.
Medical experts have pointed to his puffy face and suggested that he could be using steroids, which can be prescribed as cancer treatment. During the Victory Day parade last week, Putin was wrapped in a heavy wool blanket, prompting further speculation.
An investigation by Proyekt, an independent Russian publication, disclosed Putin’s habit of taking baths of blood from the antlers of young reindeer.
Shoigu introduced Putin to the alternative treatment on a trip to Siberia. The investigation also found that Putin was accompanied almost everywhere by three doctors, including an oncologist, skilled in cancer treatment.



New Lines disclosed that officers in the Federal Security Service (FSB), Russia’s main security agency, had been told not to speculate about Putin’s health. Christo Grozev, the head Russian investigator at Bellingcat, the investigative journalism group, said that a memo was sent to regional chiefs telling them to ignore speculation that the president had months left to live.
“This instruction had the opposite effect, with most FSB officers suddenly coming to believe that Putin indeed suffers from a serious medical condition,” Grozev told New Lines.
At least seven oligarchs have died recently in mysterious circumstances amid rumours of anger at Putin’s handling of the economy. Many have seen their fortunes shrink dramatically after the invasion of Ukraine.
The most recent death was of Aleksandr Subbotin, a former executive at Lukoil, Russia’s second largest energy company. The official explanation was that he poisoned himself with toad venom while trying to cure a hangover.



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With how much russian propaganda you're consuming you should maybe notice how many times they call everyone "American puppet" unless you find it, for whatever reason, convenient not to notice it. Russia is and has been antagonizing America for almost a century.

But yeah, America should let russia just take whatever they want to have, let it's allies see that America doesn't really give a fuck and watch it's allies slowly but surely move further into the bear's hugging distance.

That russia is not a huge problem right now doesn't mean it won't become one in a not too distant future especially if you let them do whatever the fuck, you should also take into consideration that what's happening is essentially crippling one of China's key "allies" in a way that will make it impossible for russia to support China with ANY materiel or funds should China start tooting the war horn.
Yep. Keep in mind folks Russia has a vast amount of unexploited natural resources... resources the Chinese bugmen would love to get their hands on.
He's not going to attack Poland, lol. It's just shit posting and saber-rattling because Poland just talks a mad shit game 24/7 and Russia wants to scare them a bit by flexing. If it was anyone or anything, it would be Finland and even then that shit ain't gonna happen.
Poland? Scared? They've been yelling "DO IT FAGGOT!" at Putin non-stop ever since the invasion started. And Putin may have the brain of a monkey, but even a monkey knows better than to fuck with a whole pack of angry gorillas.
France has little bases all over the Francafrique and overseas Departements all over the world. Britain too has this sort of useful reach.
Indeed, I've talked about Francafrique before, and the UK still maintains a lot of tiny islands worldwide that are incredibly useful for potential force projection. The Falklands could easily be built up into a joint US/UK naval base in case shit went down in very southern South America, for example, and I'm sure there's some holdings elsewhere. That and being friendly with the UK gives us an in with the Commonwealth. Say what you might about Grenada, but you cannot tell me the UK or anyone else in their sphere didn't breathe a sigh of relief behind closed doors that things got taken care of there.
 
If I remember correctly, China has some monopoly on some rare earth minerals
That is basically because their environmental standards are non-existent. They automatically underbid any competitor who gives the slightest shit about not contaminating the area with heavy metals. That said, most places (like the US) still dabble on a small scale if for nothing else than to maintain a local source for strategic purposes. It's why Javelins and other military gear costs so much. They don't use cheap foreign sourced components. It's all built in-house. Even if it is some little rare earth mine in Missouri that costs 10x as much.
 
He's not going to attack Poland, lol. It's just shit posting and saber-rattling because Poland just talks a mad shit game 24/7 and Russia wants to scare them a bit by flexing. If it was anyone or anything, it would be Finland and even then that shit ain't gonna happen.
It's a bit of a shame as I'd like to see what happens with the Poland fanboys like Jack Posobiec that have crossover with the Russia fanboys.

In other news, I tried checking out the spending bill for Ukraine that Rand Paul wanted to drop due to wanting an inspector general appointed to monitor spending and noticed it had already stated the inspector general of defense would monitor spending and give congress a report on it. Thing is, it'd have the reports going to the "defense committees" rather than all of congress or his specific committees that he sits on. So he'll probably get the provision shoved in next week and be able to pretend he was holding people to account by having them do the thing they were already doing.
Sec. 204. The Inspector General of the Department of Defense shall carry out reviews of the activities of the Department of Defense to execute funds appropriated in this title, including assistance provided to Ukraine: Provided, That the Inspector General shall provide to the congressional defense committees a written report not later than 120 days after the date of enactment of this Act.
Sec. 205. Not later than 45 days after the date of enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Defense, in coordination with the Secretary of State, shall submit a report to the Committees on Appropriations, Armed Services, and Foreign Affairs of the House of Representatives and the Committees on Appropriations, Armed Services, and Foreign Relations of the Senate on measures being taken to account for United States defense articles designated for Ukraine since the February 24, 2022, Russian invasion of Ukraine, particularly measures with regard to such articles that require enhanced end-use monitoring; measures to ensure that such articles reach their intended recipients and are used for their intended purposes; and any other measures to promote accountability for the use of such articles.

Sec. 206. Not later than 30 days after the date of enactment of this Act, and every 30 days thereafter through fiscal year 2023, the Secretary of Defense, in coordination with the Secretary of State, shall provide a written report to the Committees on Appropriations, Armed Services, and Foreign Affairs of the House of Representatives and the Committees on Appropriations, Armed Services, and Foreign Relations of the Senate describing United States security assistance provided to Ukraine since the February 24, 2022, Russian invasion of Ukraine, including a comprehensive list of the defense articles and services provided to Ukraine and the associated authority and funding used to provide such articles and services: Provided, That such report shall be submitted in unclassified form, but may be accompanied by a classified annex.
 
It's a bit of a shame as I'd like to see what happens with the Poland fanboys like Jack Posobiec that have crossover with the Russia fanboys.
I looked at his feed at the beginning of the Russian invasion and it was fascinating, he was clearly trying to triangulate between token Ukraine support because Pole nationalists were full on begging to activate article 5 and trying to appease his rightoid followers who were going full Fuentes Putin simp out of contrarianism. Last I saw him he was one of the self proclaimed enlightened centrists that seethe way too hard about Zelensky and the ghost of Kiev and I wouldn't be surprised if he was now declaring that Bandera Ukraine is the true existential threat to Poland and that Russia dindu nuffin.
 
I looked at his feed at the beginning of the Russian invasion and it was fascinating, he was clearly trying to triangulate between token Ukraine support because Pole nationalists were full on begging to activate article 5 and trying to appease his rightoid followers who were going full Fuentes Putin simp out of contrarianism. Last I saw him he was one of the self proclaimed enlightened centrists that seethe way too hard about Zelensky and the ghost of Kiev and I wouldn't be surprised if he was now declaring that Bandera Ukraine is the true existential threat to Poland and that Russia dindu nuffin.
It reminds me quite a bit of when the Republican healthcare bill was being worked on and he started roaming the halls saying he wanted to see the bill's text they were writing, in spite of the fact bills' text is written by lobbyists due to the immense cost of the lawyers necessary to be involved. Which as a congressmen, he would have known.

By asking for the thing that was already in the bill, he ends up looking ridiculous to the fellow congressmen so there's a conflict with them, but he can easily play it up for the media as him asking for something so common sense so that right wing media will primarily focus on his narrative to the exclusion of all others that might've contradicted his claims.

Edit:being brain dead and thinking Rand was being referred to. But point stands that I think a lot of these guys are testing the winds. Even Trump did some statement denouncing the 40 billion, but cloaked it a bit by saying Europe should be paying more rather than the money was bad.
 
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the US has always obliged requests to vacate their military in Europe. France had US bases that it vacated on request, as they did in Kyrgyzstan, the Philippines, Panama

Ah yes, the great European nations of Kyrgyzstan, the Philippines, Panama.

China is only a threat to maybe the Philippines and perhaps India at a stretch

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This is unquestionably the weakest Russia has been seen to be in any of our lifetimes. This is early 20th Century fall of the Tzars territory.
Piece from The Hill today saying that the collapse and dissolution of the Russian Federation as an entity is not out of the question.

Prepare for the disappearance of Russia​



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I don't know how functional some of these places would be.

If Siberia left Russia, that would be a game changer.
 
Ah yes, the great European nations of Kyrgyzstan, the Philippines, Panama.



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I didn't say or imply those states were European. Just mentioning them as examples where the US withdrew their military upon request, but great job deflecting instead of providing an example where the US forces the Europeans to host military forces in their countires.
 
Piece from The Hill today saying that the collapse and dissolution of the Russian Federation as an entity is not out of the question.

Prepare for the disappearance of Russia​



This article led me to do some quick reading on Wikipedia.


I don't know how functional some of these places would be.

If Siberia left Russia, that would be a game changer.
That's exactly what happened the last time Russia collapsed. One of (if not the biggest) reasons the White Russians couldn't fight off the Bolsheviks was that White Russia was a bunch of rump states, who didn't necessarily like each other or agree with their ultimate goals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_movement
The White movement (Russian: pre–1918 Бѣлое движеніе / post–1918 Белое движение, tr. Beloye dvizheniye, IPA: [ˈbʲɛləɪ dvʲɪˈʐenʲɪɪ]) also known as the Whites (Бѣлые / Белые, Beliye), was a loose confederation of anti-communist forces that fought the communist Bolsheviks, also known as the Reds, in the Russian Civil War (1917–1922/1923) and that to a lesser extent continued operating as militarized associations of insurrectionists both outside and within Russian borders in Siberia until roughly World War II (1939–1945). The movement's military arm was the White Army (Бѣлая армія / Белая армия, Belaya armiya), also known as the White Guard (Бѣлая гвардія / Белая гвардия, Belaya gvardiya) or White Guardsmen (Бѣлогвардейцы / Белогвардейцы, Belogvardeytsi).

During the Russian Civil War the White movement functioned as a big-tent political movement representing an array of political opinions in Russia united in their opposition to the communist Bolsheviks—from the republican-minded liberals and Kerenskyite social-democrats on the left through monarchists and supporters of a united multinational Russia to the ultra-nationalist Black Hundreds on the right.
To say there was disunity of command would be an understatement. It wasn't until 1919 that they managed to create a single unified army, meanwhile the Bolsheviks had done the crude but effective method of putting bullets in either people or their families when they wouldn't fall in line.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Civil_War
Just be glad the USSR was too broke and disillusioned to call up any troops, otherwise we would have had similar when all the stans, Azerbaijan, Armenia, Georgia, Ukraine, the Baltics, etc. all told Moscow to fuck off.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Act_of_the_Re-Establishment_of_the_State_of_Lithuania
 
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>Invade Ukraine
>NATO sends all it's stockpiles of weapons to help them
>They're now helpless against a counter invasion since Russia totally only sent their shit units in to die in ukraine and kept the good stuff as backup

Maybe he really was playing 4D chess with the West all along....

Theres no strategic advantage to taking Poland. They are the customers. You want the infrastructure.

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If I remember correctly, China has some monopoly on some rare earth minerals
Not really as the United States and other countries have the same rare earth minerals but ain't mining for them. As China made it cost unproductive as they can flood the market. And the shit is environmentally toxic AF to mine. Something the West and non quite western countries are leery of doing without using costly measures to minimize environmental damage.
 
Piece from The Hill today saying that the collapse and dissolution of the Russian Federation as an entity is not out of the question.

Prepare for the disappearance of Russia​



This article led me to do some quick reading on Wikipedia.


I don't know how functional some of these places would be.

If Siberia left Russia, that would be a game changer.

Certainly an interesting idea, and explains the sheer scale of Russified Nationalism output from their media, its trying to put a plaster back onto any ideas of fracturing. Usually a good war fixes a few societal problems and is usually why people push for them.

I also doubt it will happen, the Russian state has already effectively collapsed back to a historical minimum and the whole place is basically two cities and a lot of smaller places which're steadily draining of people. So long as St Petersberg and Moscow remain Russian, so too will Russia Remain.
 
Theres no strategic advantage to taking Poland. They are the customers. You want the infrastructure.
Wut? Poland is the only territory flat enough in continental Europe to offer easy invasion access from either the West or the East. Its probably the least defensible place in all of Europe thanks to its terrain.
 
It's a bit of a shame as I'd like to see what happens with the Poland fanboys like Jack Posobiec that have crossover with the Russia fanboys.

In other news, I tried checking out the spending bill for Ukraine that Rand Paul wanted to drop due to wanting an inspector general appointed to monitor spending and noticed it had already stated the inspector general of defense would monitor spending and give congress a report on it. Thing is, it'd have the reports going to the "defense committees" rather than all of congress or his specific committees that he sits on. So he'll probably get the provision shoved in next week and be able to pretend he was holding people to account by having them do the thing they were already doing.
That's the thing, he looked stupid to anyone in government or politics, but he looked responsible and smart for the average voters, specifically the rightoids and/or Putin simps
 
Certainly an interesting idea, and explains the sheer scale of Russified Nationalism output from their media, its trying to put a plaster back onto any ideas of fracturing. Usually a good war fixes a few societal problems and is usually why people push for them.

I also doubt it will happen, the Russian state has already effectively collapsed back to a historical minimum and the whole place is basically two cities and a lot of smaller places which're steadily draining of people. So long as St Petersberg and Moscow remain Russian, so too will Russia Remain.
Russia has far from completely collapsed, and such a collapse is probably inevitable at this point. Russia won't completely disappear, but it will almost certainly be reduced to a rump state.
 
Russia has far from completely collapsed, and such a collapse is probably inevitable at this point. Russia won't completely disappear, but it will almost certainly be reduced to a rump state.
Well, its currently getting its ass beat by a rump state, so... frankly when Putin dies the wheels are guaranteed to fly off the Russian Federation. No successors and a corrupt state apparatus at all levels, both civilian and military, that will work for whoever is willing and able to pay them.
 
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