Theorycraft: Social Justice and Pedophilia

[AnOminous]

Then why did OP say in the very title of this thread that there is statistical evidence to support a link between SJW and pedophilia? You're quoting the wrong guy if you want to say what you are here.

I dunno, ask OP. I'm just saying I can name fucktons of prominent "SJWs" who have defended Nyberg and other pedos, and I seriously can't think of a single one who's said "hey maybe defending this pedo is a bad idea." If I could think of even one then maybe I would bother counting them to see whether there's more of one than the other.

 

[Stress Sigh]

Yawn you're being overly pedantic about this. If you don't like this discussion you can ignore this but there are several people that do notice this trend and we want to discuss it.

 

[GS 281]

I dunno, ask OP. I'm just saying I can name fucktons of prominent "SJWs" who have defended Nyberg and other pedos, and I seriously can't think of a single one who's said "hey maybe defending this pedo is a bad idea." If I could think of even one then maybe I would bother counting them to see whether there's more of one than the other.

So your litmus test for the "SJW" movement supporting pedophilia or not is whether or not prominent people come out to tweet against someone who has 10.5k followers on twitter? That's interesting.

Yawn you're being overly pedantic about this. If you don't like this discussion you can ignore this but there are several people that do notice this trend and we want to discuss it.

If there is a trend, where is the evidence? Still, 3 pages in, I see none.

Don't worry, I will probably get threadbanned, a bunch of permanent warning points and called retarded soon enough so you won't have to deal with a voice of reason for long.

 

[Stress Sigh]

We've linked tweets and news articles this isn't something we're pulling out of our ass. Best we just ignore you because you seem to really have a personal stake in this for some odd reason.

 

[BILLY MAYS]

IMO we should really focus less on shit surrounding Nyberg, especially since there are confounding factors involved (aGGros sticking for one another, for example). And mention of social media (twitter, tumblr, reddit etc) should be taken with caution as those sites support a larger base than just SJWs.

I agree on one thing though, Salon and like minded publications seems like a good start. And SJW-aligned areas of social media sites I mentioned earlier are also potential places to investigate more about SJ-pedo relations.

 

[AnOminous]

Don't worry, I will probably get threadbanned, a bunch of permanent warning points and called retarded soon enough so you won't have to deal with a voice of reason for long.

Nobody agrees with me much therefore that proves I'm right, basically.

Okey dokey, enjoy your auto-da-fe.

Why so mad, though?

 

[GS 281]

Nobody agrees with me much therefore that proves I'm right, basically.

Okey dokey, enjoy your auto-da-fe.

What proves I am right is that there is no evidence to support what is being said. Unless you count a lack of people coming out to call out a pedophile they never heard of or making baseless claims that there is statistical evidence to support a point that is shaky at best.

Why so mad, though?

I'm not mad, why are you mad?

 

[Stress Sigh]

Back on topic though. I think it's more group think in action than really any support for it other than some fringe with something to gain with normalizing pedophillia. Though I am concerned about what new cause will arise now the lbgt scene is over and I don't see much steam left in blm.

 

[José Mourinho]

I'll give my two cents regarding this matter.

From what I glanced through this whole Sarah Nyberg stuff, there's really none of the SJWs defending Nyberg because he/she/xe/whatever's a pedo, and it's more towards:

1. Sarah Nyberg's chatlogs were years ago (even though it's proven that Sarah was 18+ when Sarah did it)
2. Sarah Nyberg was roleplaying (but still creepy)
3. Sarah Nyberg's chatlogs were fake (even though there's sources)
4. etc.

I don't remember seeing one example where someone defending Sarah because of standing up for pedos or some shit like that. The closest thing to that is some Twitter idiots sending kid pics to Sarah to show support, but trying to prove that they're defending pedos via that is not really close. The infamous notorious #IStandForButts trend on Twitter was due to Sarah getting doxxed and unrelated to Sarah being a pedo.

Even before that, the SJWs all over on Ghazi etc. were trying to report 8chan for CP and this already caused 8chan to get removed from Google searches a few times. They really took an anti-pedo stance really seriously based on my GamerGate lurkings when it first started, and tried to connect pedos with GamerGate to attack them, such as them trying to report Hotwheels for hosting 8chan due to CP hosting assumptions.

And speaking of Tumblr, I don't remember seeing much of the pedo-defending there. There's indeed some rare obscure ones like one random SJW post about pedophobia (forgot what is it though), but nothing noteworthy. The closest Tumblr pedo we had was James Terry Mitchell Jr., but he's not really much of an SJW but more of a retarded user who uses Tumblr.

So that's my two cents, I don't really think that there's any much relationship between SJWs and pedophilia even though there are some very small minor links to it. Perhaps some Salon articles would be great too.

 

[AnOminous]

What proves I am right is that there is no evidence to support what is being said. Unless you count a lack of people coming out to call out a pedophile they never heard of or making baseless claims that there is statistical evidence to support a point that is shaky at best.

Actually I pointed out and named some very prominent SJWs who have just outright defended Nyberg.

I really don't think that they've done this in great numbers should be terribly controversial, any more than if people were to speculate on why Black Lives Matter doesn't seem to care much for cops. Do I need a study to show that they don't?

I'm not mad, why are you mad?

"I'm not the mad one, you're the mad one!"

You're the only one whining about how you'll be down rated and whatever and going over to other threads to complain about your treatment here, nobody else cares that much.

ETA: Actually sorry that this sounds more dickish than I intended to be. I actually agree you're probably right the OP is kind of overthinking a pretty tenuous connection between ideology and behavior.

But I think it's pretty obvious SJWs close ranks behind pedos with near unanimity. The GG types have never done that, that I've seen. I just find the calls for proof of this ridiculous. Call Milo an asshole if you will, but his article was pretty damning proof that exactly this has happened.

 

[GS 281]

Actually I pointed out and named some very prominent SJWs who have just outright defended Nyberg.

So? Unless you are saying that Brianna Wu and Arthur Chu are pro-pedophile and that they are pro-pedophile because they are SJW or are SJW in part because SJW support pedophilia that doesn't matter one bit. Further, who gives a damn about Brianna Wu or Arthur Chu? Unless you have your head up gamergate's ass you never heard of these nobodies. And they're "very prominent SJWs"? Please. You're brighter than this.

I really don't think that they've done this in great numbers should be terribly controversial, any more than if people were to speculate on why Black Lives Matter doesn't seem to care much for cops. Do I need a study to show that they don't?

I honestly have no idea what you are saying here.

"I'm not the mad one, you're the mad one!"

You're the only one whining about how you'll be down rated and whatever and going over to other threads to complain about your treatment here, nobody else cares that much.

I don't recall doing either. Perhaps you could show me where I whined about being down rated or complained about treatment in other threads. I suppose it is because I mentioned warning points and threadbanning, well that is because some mods feel the need to do those types of things when people offend gamergate or anti-SJW dictum.

ETA: Actually sorry that this sounds more dickish than I intended to be. I actually agree you're probably right the OP is kind of overthinking a pretty tenuous connection between ideology and behavior.

But I think it's pretty obvious SJWs close ranks behind pedos with near unanimity. The GG types have never done that, that I've seen. I just find the calls for proof of this ridiculous. Call Milo an asshole if you will, but his article was pretty damning proof that exactly this has happened.

It's cool, difference of opinion. I just have a problem when this is portrayed as research-supported fact, as was done by OP.

 

[AnOminous]

It's cool, difference of opinion. I just have a problem when this is portrayed as research-supported fact, as was done by OP.

Are you really claiming SJWs didn't practically get in lockstep defending Nyberg?

Just wondering. Because I wonder how anyone could possibly claim that.

 

[GS 281]

Are you really claiming SJWs didn't practically get in lockstep defending Nyberg?

Just wondering. Because I wonder how anyone could possibly claim that.

I am telling you that most SJWs (whatever the definition is this hour) do not because most people period do not know who this is.

 

[AnOminous]

I am telling you that most SJWs (whatever the definition is this hour) do not because most people period do not know who this is.

What are "most SJWs" then? Because I consider that label to apply to pretty much everyone in this article.

That article basically has "most SJWs" overtly defending a blatant child molester.

Which SJWs don't? Which dissenting SJWs are actually condemning Nyberg?

I can't name even one. Can you?

Because the moment you can actually name even one, we can get down to the argument about how many, and statistics, and all that shit.

Because now, the only SJWs who have expressed an opinion on Nyberg are fully in support of this open child molester.

 

[GS 281]

What are "most SJWs" then? Because I consider that label to apply to pretty much everyone in this article.

That article basically has "most SJWs" overtly defending a blatant child molester.

Ah! So in this iteration of the argument we are going with the Breitbart definition that Progressive=SJW. Then no, definitely not. Most progressives are not pro-pedophile.

The worst you could say about most of the people on this list is that they do not know who Nyberg is and frankly don't care to the point of getting deeply immersed in this garbage. Let's take Kluwe, for example.

Spoiler: Kluwe nonsense

Kluwe says himself here the following:

Since Sarah Nyberg’s identity was exposed in December 2014, diverse Internet allegations have been made that Nyberg is involved in some kind of criminal & reprehensible sexual activity. I am being vague here because even the people accusing Nyberg of this can’t seem to agree just what happened. Some people say she fucks dogs, whereas others accuse her of molesting children; and some #Gamergaters say it’s both.

But the details don’t seem to be important to Nyberg’s detractors. To most of them, even the dogs and kids seem to be nonspecific and interchangeable, to say nothing of details like where and when or how many. It’s more of a meme than a proper accusation, like the cartoonish allegations Alex Lifschitz is a war profiteer/billionaire playboy, or that Zoe Quinn wrote the Common Core, or that Peter Coffin’s wife is literally a sex doll. It’s such a ludicrous accusation that it sort of beggars belief.

This doesn't sound like someone supporting who they believe is a pedophile. This sounds like someone who thinks that the evidence is poorly constructed and identifies the people going after Nyberg as doing so because of a silly online spat and not because they actually did something wrong. Gonna have to do better than this.

Which SJWs don't? Which dissenting SJWs are actually condemning Nyberg?

I can't name even one. Can you?

So again, the standard for being pro-pedophile or not is whether you have condemned every obscure pedophile online? That's kinda ridiculous.

Because the moment you can actually name even one, we can get down to the argument about how many, and statistics, and all that shit.

Because now, the only SJWs who have expressed an opinion on Nyberg are fully in support of this open child molester.

I don't have to, I'm not the one who started the thread saying there was statistical proof of a relationship between SJWs and pedophilia, the OP was. I pointed out there was no proof in the OP or subsequent posts and now you want me to go on some wild goose chase around the internet trying to find people who even know who Nyberg even is just so I can do more searching? Really? Deal with the fact that your boy got it wrong. He had no proof, he had no numbers. He said he did but he didn't.

When you say something and it is proven incorrect, it isn't on the other person to come up behind you and clean up your messes, you know that right?

 

[ivyleaf]

In my experience, the people I've known that I would call SJWs have all been staunchly anti-pedo more than anything else. In general, they're the kind of moralists who want to police other people's sexual turn-ons, and you have to admit pedophilia lies at the bottom of the slope of sexual deviancy. If there really is an over-representation of pedophiles in online social justice activism, I'd chalk it up to troll-shielding.

On tumblr there are a fair bunch of them who like to romanticize the shit out of Lolita, and I can't help but wonder how SJWs even have access to child porn to begin with (thinking 8 chan incident).

 

[DuskEngine]

Because now, the only SJWs who have expressed an opinion on Nyberg are fully in support of this open child molester.

Why would Nyberg be relevant to most SJWs though? Most of the people this board would consider SJWs seem to be completely unaware of GG besides some vague idea of it being about abusing women online over videogames. It's a significant stretch to say that, for example, most of the people who support Zoe Quinn or Anita Sarkeesian also defend Nyberg.

That isn't to say that they wouldn't apply the same lax standard of evidence that they have to other GG-related stuff, but not expressing an opinion on Nyberg doesn't make them some kind of silent majority, as much as people on both sides would like to claim they are.

There are a small (but significant) number of people who have defended Nyberg, and many of those people are relatively influential in the circles they run in, true. But I don't see anything to support the idea that all or even most SJWs believe that the evidence against Nyberg is fabricated, let alone anything to imply they support pedophilia in some abstract sense.

The statements from prominent academics which @Vitriol and other people posted are another matter though. Aside from Katharine Cross, most of the stuff surrounding Nyberg seems to be pretty removed from academia.

 

[Vex Overmind]

The whole purpose and reasoning's behind the collective thinking of the SJW ideology is that it is a "Victim Ideology.", meaning that said ideology has to fight for the supposed rights of some sort of oppressed group NAMBLA and other pedophile groups can ally themselves with SJWs because they run on the same levels of logic which is an us vs them mentality. With the legitimization of gay marriage, SJWs weren't satisfied enough, so they turned and looked elsewhere to make some legal.


SJWs, as much as they hate being associated with Right-Wing groups, use the same mentality when it comes to this. "If said group we don't like does something wrong, then they're all like that." because they lack the ability to think for themselves and want to make it seem like they are the ones that possess some kind of moral altruism for helping so sickening pedophile.

 

[Pickle Inspector]

Why would Nyberg be relevant to most SJWs though? Most of the people this board would consider SJWs seem to be completely unaware of GG besides some vague idea of it being about abusing women online over videogames. It's a significant stretch to say that, for example, most of the people who support Zoe Quinn or Anita Sarkeesian also defend Nyberg.

That isn't to say that they wouldn't apply the same lax standard of evidence that they have to other GG-related stuff, but not expressing an opinion on Nyberg doesn't make them some kind of silent majority, as much as people on both sides would like to claim they are.

There are a small (but significant) number of people who have defended Nyberg, and many of those people are relatively influential in the circles they run in, true. But I don't see anything to support the idea that all or even most SJWs believe that the evidence against Nyberg is fabricated, let alone anything to imply they support pedophilia in some abstract sense.

The statements from prominent academics which @Vitriol and other people posted are another matter though. Aside from Katharine Cross, most of the stuff surrounding Nyberg seems to be pretty removed from academia.

I think the reason Nyberg is relivent is because of who she is (A trans woman) rather than any opinions she may have, SJWs seems to be mainly interested in identity politics of race, gender, sexuality and disability (The last two to a lesser extent) and generally ignore other individual circumstances (Like how certain rich SJW trustfundees genuinely believe they are victims of society based solely on their gender or race).

So I'm guessing for many SJWs GamerGate is just a political dog whistle meaning "Misogynist" and if you critize Nyberg you automatically open yourself up to claims you're a supporter of GamerGate (And so bigoted) and possibly transphobic for suggesting a transsexual is a pedophile.

 

[XYZpdq]

What if you went the other way, and looked through famed pedos like Subway Guy and so forth and looked for ties to whoever?