‘It’s a lot of trees’: Unknown number of trees cut in Nevada County for wildfire mitigation efforts - California finally does some forest management, hand-wringing ensues

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Trees lay alongside Highway 20, east of Nevada City, last month as Caltrans crews work on wildfire mitigation efforts along the state route. The trees are being chipped and used as biomass.
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Logging is not the money making industry it once was in Nevada County, but amid wildfire mitigation efforts, tree trunks are the new property accessory.
After hydraulic mining and the logging industry’s cross-cutting technique removed Nevada County’s native species, the forests in the Northern Sierra Nevada became overstocked with red and white fir, states a Northstar Fire Department report published in May. Since, the Sierra Foothills have acquired, “a dense understory of seedlings, brush and downed woody material.“

TREE REMOVAL EFFORTS

Public and private agencies continue to remove an unknown number of trees and shrubs — including blue oaks and manzanita — in Nevada County.

Combined with Caltrans and PG&E’s storm cleanup efforts following the late December storm, Caltrans’ de-vegetation effort can be seen along Highways 49, 20 and 174, Caltrans Public Information Officer Raquel Borrayo said.
CalTrans awarded a $3.7 million contract to Tyrell Resources for tree removal following the snowstorm with a precipitation total that broke records in the Nevada City and Grass Valley area. Some residents of the region went over 16 days without power, Borrayo said, and the number of.downed trees required that Caltrans implement emergency tree removal to address the fallen, leaning or hazardous trees on various routes.

Tyrrell Resources cleared debris and hazardous trees on Highways 20, 49, 80, 174, and 193 in Nevada, Yuba, Sierra, El Dorado and Placer counties. Borrayo said the contract anticipates the work will conclude this month.
Per Caltrans construction, the removed trees are relocated to Lincoln’s Rio Bravo Rocklin Biomass facility.
As of April 1, Tyrrell Resources sent “approximately 300 loads of wood chips to Rio Bravo Rocklin.”
Each of the 300 loads weighs approximately 24 tons, Borrayo said, meaning that by April 1, the contractor ultimately yielded 7,200 tons of wet wood chips.

Separately, Caltrans maintenance crews are performing brush removal and fuel reduction measures on eastbound Highway 20.
“They are starting just east of Penn Valley and are working their way towards the Ponderosa Overcrossing,” Borrayo said. “Once completed, they will then head westbound on State Route 20 from the Ponderosa Overcrossing to Penn Valley.”
There, Caltrans crews are removing scrub brush and trees 4-inches wide or less at chest height.
“The work is dependent on weather and fire restrictions — red flag days,” Borrayo said. “We are also coordinating with our environmental team to mark any environmentally sensitive areas prior to brush removal along the highway.”
Manzanita is mulched, Borrayo said, leaving the red humus one can see from the roadside behind.
“We’re chipping into sawdust/mulch for ground cover,” Borrayo said.
Neither the trees removed as part of Caltrans’ de-vegetation effort nor those removed by the emergency contractor are being counted, Borrayo said.

“It’s a lot of trees,” Borrayo said.
PG&E has also committed to remove 1 million trees across 70,000 miles of serviceline across Central and Northern California.
The utility company’s 2022 wildfire mitigation plan does not specify the number of trees being cut within county or city boundaries. When asked to specify the number of trees getting the ax in Nevada County, Communications Specialist Megan McFarland said she did not have the number.

PERSPECTIVES

Jamie Hinrichs, public affairs specialist for Tahoe National Forest, said she was aware of Caltrans’ tree removal on Highway 20.
Hinrichs said she is not sure how much, if any, of the tree removal done along the roadsides has been paid for by the federal agency.
“The Tahoe National Forest specifically supported and engaged in wildfire mitigation work, (including addressing) hazardous vegetation on wildland-urban interface … where communities are really close to federal forested land,” Hinrichs said.
Hinrichs said part of that work is removing younger trees so that prescribed fire can be used on the landscape.
“Low intensity fire that can be used in a way that really mimics the fire ecosystem in California,“ Hinrichs said. “Using a little fire now is a way to mitigate a larger fire later — you remove some of the surface vegetation, and there are spaces between big trees so they don’t burn.”
Hinrichs said vulnerable communities need to do what they can to create egress routes.
“That’s why a lot of tree removal work is focused along roads and highways,” Hinrichs said.
Hinrichs said the appearance of trunks or visibility of sky through a usually thicketed forest region does not necessarily indicate anything unhealthy.
“You think more trees is always better, but actually density of forest is not healthy,“ Hinrichs said, adding, ”it’s not healthy for the forest. It’s also increased fire risk.“
Hinrichs said forests were much thinner hundreds of years ago than they now appear to be.
“It’s like a straw in the ground — the more straws in the ground, the more trees are sucking up water,” Hinrichs said. “Since California is in a prolonged drought, it makes the trees competing with limited resources more susceptible to insect infestation.”
Hinrichs said that leaving dead trees standing leaves local communities at risk in the case of an electrical storm.

OVERSIGHT

Terrie Prosper, director of the California Public Utilities Commission’s news office, said California created a new state agency specifically dedicated to reducing the risk of utility equipment starting wildfires called the Office of Energy Infrastructure Safety.
“Vegetation management is one of the ways that utilities, including PG&E, reduce that risk,” Prosper said, adding that all the company’s mitigation activities were documented in a plan submitted in February.
PG&E’s safety performance is being continually assessed by the CPUC, Prosper said, adding that the commission has “taken enforcement actions against the utility, including activation of the Enhanced Enforcement Oversight Process specifically designed for PG&E due to its record of safety failures.”
According to Prosper, PG&E is in the first step of the commission’s Enhanced Enforcement Oversight Process “based on the company’s failure to sufficiently prioritize clearing vegetation on its highest-risk power lines as part of its wildfire mitigation work in 2020, and we will continue to utilize this escalating oversight process based on PG&E’s safety performance.
“The CPUC required PG&E to submit a corrective action plan and report on progress every 90 days,” Prosper added. “CPUC staff are currently evaluating PG&E’s latest report to determine whether it has made sufficient progress toward meeting its goal.”

 
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How many fucking saw mills are in that area and what is the price of lumber at right now? They can't stack them into or ship them off to lumber mills? Especially since that's why they were planted in the first place? This is the specific species used for basic dimensional lumber. No, lets just shred it all into "biomas" to compost and throw the ecosystem in a nitrogen deficient system. Fucking idiots.
The reason that this is even a problem is because they killed logging and the mills. Logging declined in the 80s/90s. The mills have been closed for over 20 years. Spotted owl. Clear cutting bans. Enviro regs. Protests of timber sales on public lands. Impact statements. Lawsuits. Now here we are a tree generation later with cluttered forests burning down like crazy and nobody able to act except in a limited manner on state contracts clearing trees away from highways.

This is 40 years of shitty environmental policy finally coming crashing down.
Na, California does have certain species that require fire. The sequoias come to mind. No fire, and the sequoia cones don't open, and the sequoias themselves have significant natural resistance to fire in their outer layers. The state's ecosystem has literally evolved to be on fire at a certain rate, and before man ever set foot there. Its less that fire is an ecosystem and more that the ecosystem depends on fire.

This. We fucked with the natural ecosystem, and are now shocked that it attempts to revert to equilibrium the same way nature always does: destructively.
It's not just California. It's the entire US west that does this. Though not many places are as retarded as California that lean into the whole "being on fire" thing. This stuff is taught from a young age to people from Idaho. "Nature isn't your friend. It will kill you. It needs to be managed."
 
PG&E has also committed to remove 1 million trees across 70,000 miles of serviceline across Central and Northern California.
The utility company’s 2022 wildfire mitigation plan does not specify the number of trees being cut within county or city boundaries. When asked to specify the number of trees getting the ax in Nevada County, Communications Specialist Megan McFarland said she did not have the number.
Because trusting PG&E to do what they're supposed to has worked soooooo fucking well in the past.

Man, you'd think with the overabundance of tree the article mentions you'd think it would have been easy to find a company to turn them into a useful product before this... right? Right?
How many fucking saw mills are in that area and what is the price of lumber at right now? They can't stack them into or ship them off to lumber mills? Especially since that's why they were planted in the first place? This is the specific species used for basic dimensional lumber. No, lets just shred it all into "biomas" to compost and throw the ecosystem in a nitrogen deficient system. Fucking idiots.
The reason that this is even a problem is because they killed logging and the mills. Logging declined in the 80s/90s. The mills have been closed for over 20 years. Spotted owl. Clear cutting bans. Enviro regs. Protests of timber sales on public lands. Impact statements. Lawsuits. Now here we are a tree generation later with cluttered forests burning down like crazy and nobody able to act except in a limited manner on state contracts clearing trees away from highways.
I had Snek and Tater's comments quoted before ColtWalker basically said what I was going to say. There's no mills around to deal with all the timber they're creating.

EXCEPT for small efforts like this, which are wonderful, but cannot handle what we need: https://www.chicoer.com/2019/08/20/concow-families-rebuild-with-lumber-from-their-burned-trees/
 
EXCEPT for small efforts like this, which are wonderful, but cannot handle what we need: https://www.chicoer.com/2019/08/20/concow-families-rebuild-with-lumber-from-their-burned-trees/
Salvage logging is a bit late doncha think? And the hippies still protest that to get it shut down anyways.

We need actual leadership from public lands managers to inform the public about proper forest management to kill off this "save the trees" horseshit. Go on the offensive to sway the public and undo 50 years of political propaganda. They have all the material (USFS is a great resource for knowledge about timber management) they just don't push it out there and do one of their most important jobs. Education.

Instead all we are getting is handwaving and blaming the problem on climate change. Passively surrendering the debate to out-of-touch urban greenie retards. Meanwhile the forests are worse than ever and the problem only grows. You would think the Paradise disaster would have motivated someone to pull their head out of their ass, but it is California. No such luck.
 
Salvage logging is a bit late doncha think? And the hippies still protest that to get it shut down anyways.

We need actual leadership from public lands managers to inform the public about proper forest management to kill off this "save the trees" horseshit. Go on the offensive to sway the public and undo 50 years of political propaganda. They have all the material (USFS is a great resource for knowledge about timber management) they just don't push it out there and do one of their most important jobs. Education.

Instead all we are getting is handwaving and blaming the problem on climate change. Passively surrendering the debate to out-of-touch urban greenie retards. Meanwhile the forests are worse than ever and the problem only grows. You would think the Paradise disaster would have motivated someone to pull their head out of their ass, but it is California. No such luck.
I am not denying that in any way, shape, or form, friend. Forest management is a fucking mess and I'm not even going to touch on it here because it's too massive and complex to fix immediately (and you already know what needs to be done anyway). But salvage logging HAS to happen ASAP otherwise you're leaving standing fuel to feed the next fire and it feels extremely foolish and wasteful to turn it all into compost. The tiny mill in Concow helping people rebuild is a miniscule effort, but at least it's a lot fucking more of an effort than PG&E and USFS and shitheads like Gavin Newsom are doing. California just ended up with a massive budget surplus but government "leaders" aren't going to spend a dime of it on the people who are most affected because they don't vote blue.
 
Only a brain dead Californian would talk about "Fire ecosystem."
Fire Ecology is a real thing, but that doesn't make them any less brain dead. It's not a fire ecosystem it is the interactions between fire and the ecosystem.
No, lets just shred it all into "biomas" to compost and throw the ecosystem in a nitrogen deficient system. Fucking idiots.
The big logging contractor is sending the chips to a biomass power plant. The video I posted was a different logging contractor cleaning up after a PG&E contractor at the landowners expense. There was nothing to salvage, so they chipped it in place.
It's like living in the Mississippi floodplain, and thinking the best method of flood mitigation is not maintaining levees but appeasing the Water Gods by fining everyone for excess storm drain runoff. And when that doesn't work? Running around in circles and panicking that the glaciers must be melting from global warming, your plan was FLAWLESS until everyone else messed it up.
We would be a lot better off if we had never built levees on the Mississippi and Missouri, but everyone wanted their town right on the river. Lots of Californians wanted their house surrounded by forest and wouldn't even build levees (fire breaks and forest management).
but at least it's a lot fucking more of an effort than PG&E and USFS and shitheads like Gavin Newsom are doing.
USFS knows what their doing, but they are generally hampered by all things California. Cal Fire is retarded. When you rename yourself from California Department of Forestry to Cal Fire you have well and truly have given up on doing anything proactive. They aren't even good at being reactive. Generally a USFS command team has to take over once Cal Fire lets it get big. During the Camp Fire, Cal Fire failed to keep the fire from crossing Lake Oroville. When 1/2 mile of water isn't a solid fire break, you are a fuckup.
 
It's not just California. It's the entire US west that does this. Though not many places are as retarded as California that lean into the whole "being on fire" thing. This stuff is taught from a young age to people from Idaho. "Nature isn't your friend. It will kill you. It needs to be managed."
Sadly Oregon's getting closer and closer to CA's retardation every year...
 
Sadly Oregon's getting closer and closer to CA's retardation every year...
It's been there for a while. When I talked about the hippies protesting salvage logging I was remembering when they threw a shitfit at a USFS sale around Grants Pass a few years back. Plus, the whole goddamn Spotted Owl thing was their doing. So thanks for that one Portland. Goddamn treehugging commie fuckers.
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Harvesting of timber on Oregon public lands pretty much completely stopped in the early 90's. Near impossible now. All western states got hit when the industry was kneecapped by the mis-managers in the 90's but you guys might be the worst off. So, yeah, have fun being on fire I guess.
 
The difference between those examples, and California is.....the fires in California can easily be prevented, or the scale can be extremely mitigated if they stopped acting like a bunch of fucking hippies, and practiced good forest husbandry. Clearing out dry underbrush, cutting down old/dead/diseased trees that catch fire easily, removing the eucalypts trees with stupidly flammable oil, etc.
The dumbest thing about that is it's illegal to do that. Burning away dead brush and stuff that's prime kindling isn't allowed, because the hippies stopped legislation that would allow proper forestry. We'd still have powerlines, careless smokers, as well as transients and illegals who do illegal fires; but there would be less fires overall and they wouldn't spread so easily. But California made it illegal to do that, and most people who own land and vacation homes up there don't want to clean up their private property.
 
It's been there for a while. When I talked about the hippies protesting salvage logging I was remembering when they threw a shitfit at a USFS sale around Grants Pass a few years back. Plus, the whole goddamn Spotted Owl thing was their doing. So thanks for that one Portland. Goddamn treehugging commie fuckers.
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Harvesting of timber on Oregon public lands pretty much completely stopped in the early 90's. Near impossible now. All western states got hit when the industry was kneecapped by the mis-managers in the 90's but you guys might be the worst off. So, yeah, have fun being on fire I guess.
We're not as bad as CA since we're wetter, but yeah, fires are getting worse and worse every year due to a lack of clearance.
 
Only a brain dead Californian would talk about "Fire ecosystem."
Wildfire-adapted ecosystems are a thing in nature; and usually in a natural setting a lightening strike results in a low-intensity burn (moderate heat, low to the ground, slower, give animals time to escape or burrow).

But when you ban burning, fragment the ecosystem with roads and blocks of clear-cut developed land, and generally mismanage the forest (cut down the natural density trees and replant them with cornfield-tier rows of densely packed trees), you end up with catastrophic high-intensity (high heat, reaching the canopy, fast-moving) fires that kill everything in their path.

California got double-fucked by the logging industry and the hippies green leftoid fags.
Basically the logging industry cut down big swaths of forest, and replanted the trees in very dense clusters or rows to optimize harvest yield per acre. But then, the hippie green cali leftoids jumped in and said "NO MOAR LAWGING!!!" but never actually did anything to decluster or thin the post-agricultural timber clusters.
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As you can imagine this shit goes up like a fucking row of matches in a drought.
Some species, such as Longleaf Pine in the Southeast and Lodgepole Pine out west actually need a good low-intensity burn for their life cycle (the former gets stuck in a "grass stage" and gets shaded out by other trees, the latter needs fire to open the pine cones and germinate).

TL;DR:
Fire is natural. Many ecosystems in North America are dependent on fire; but cal hippies are retarded and think all fire = bad.
 
They do it in my country too.

A lot of forests got cut down and the wood sent to Germany.

I don't think that's how fire prevention works, you guys!
 
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See, that's smart. Unfortunately the people deciding forestry policy in California are not smart. They don't care how much of the state burns down so long as they can blame global warming for it. See, they all live along the coastline, far, far away from the forests, so they'll never have to deal with the consequences.

EDIT: Its late and I need to crash out and get some rest, but the TL;DR is that the California wilderness naturally catches fire thanks to excessive dryness in summer and mild, relatively damp winters. We have since built up the area, planted firs and other trees for harvesting in quantities beyond that which the area naturally supports, and as a result fires become stronger than that area used to have. Now, this wouldn't be a problem if we adopted sensible clearance methods to eliminate brush build up and logging to clear out those over-abundant firs and the like, and did controlled burns every so often to clear out places loggers can't or won't reach, but that would cause air pollution and release carbon, and we can't do that. We'd also need to operate motor vehicles in the area to ensure it didn't get out of hand, and wouldn't you know it but a significant portion of those areas have combustion engines under restrictions ranging from moderate to outright prohibition. And not just motor vehicles, but even equipment as basic as gas generators and chainsaws.
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A hefty chunk of that mountainous land in the Northeast and down south along the border with Nevada is under environmental protections of one sort or another, and guess which part likes to catch fire?

So, California burns as it naturally wants to do, and everyone makes shocked Pikachu faces when human infrastructure burns with the wildlife.
Don't forget how shitty the roadwork is for the mountainside in general, there are literally areas where there's no road at all and both lanes of traffic has to take turns going through.

Or how underfunded both the Rangers AND the Firefighters are atm.
 
Literally impossible.
We just saw the CDC turn everyone into armchair experts overnight by publishing basic "how not to get a cold" guidelines during a crisis. I think there is some hope here. It just needs someone in government to take the initiative and break out the Smokey Bear campaign for it.

It's just that only western conservatives are the only ones aware of the issue. They are pretty thin on the ground and rarely make it into high government positions with any kind of juice behind them. The secretary for the USDA and US Dept of Interior always seem to be the dumping ground for cronies rather than appointing anyone with vision.
 
Don't forget how shitty the roadwork is for the mountainside in general, there are literally areas where there's no road at all and both lanes of traffic has to take turns going through.
I'm going to say this as politely as I can:

What the fuck are you talking about?
 
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I'm going to say this as politely as I can:

What the fuck are you talking about?
There are parts of the United States that get so little traffic it’s not worth investing in any infrastructure and, as a result, it makes fires worse since no one can get there to clear the brush and when there is a fire we have to rely on planes and helicopters dropping water.

Again, it all comes back to California being fucking retarded.
 
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