Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Newman's Lovechild]

...Yes? George has made (or helped make) good things and shitty things.

And so, taking his name off the credits for a job that three or four other people also took part in, doesn't mean it was all due to him. Not when openly taking more control and delegating less resulted in a bigger mess. This:

Retards who hate George think that because he didn't put his name on the movies that he had nothing to do with the movies being good.

Is one of the worst leaps of logic I've seen since 'Mike Stoklasa forced George Lucas to sell Star Wars'.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

I always love how Luke is basically telling Palpatine to fuck off.

 

[Sneed F91]

And so, taking his name off the credits for a job that three or four other people also took part in, doesn't mean it was all due to him. Not when openly taking more control and delegating less resulted in a bigger mess. This:



Is one of the worst leaps of logic I've seen since 'Mike Stoklasa forced George Lucas to sell Star Wars'.

I don't really see how. The fan's logic is literally:

>the prequels are bad
>George wrote and directed all three
>therefore he's the reason they are bad because he had the most responsibility over them
>and he made the special editions
>that means he's a hack
>ANH has good editing
>George is not credited as the editor
>that means he had nothing to do with the editing being good
>the OT is good
>ESB is the best OT movie
>George isn't credited as writer or director
>therefore George had nothing to do with writing or directing the movie

You can't tell me the common consensus for years (before people started to re-evaluate the PT and George's role in the franchise) was that Empire was the best one solely because George had the least to do with it, even though we have proof that he was a major part of the production of the entire trilogy. Calling anti-Lucas SW fans who believe that dumb shit "retards" might have been harsh but my point still stands. That's what they seriously believe. "He couldn't have done anything good because he's bad". George was the leading editor of ANH, on top of the fact that he directed the movie. He hired talented people to help him do a job. They did the job. The quality of the filmmaking in the PT isn't as good as the OT and he had major control over those movies like the OT. I never said he did it all himself. Filmmaking is a collaborative medium.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I don't really see how. The fan's logic is literally:

>the prequels are bad
>George wrote and directed all three
>therefore he's the reason they are bad because he had the most responsibility over them
>and he made the special editions
>that means he's a hack
>ANH has good editing
>George is not credited as the editor
>that means he had nothing to do with the editing being good
>the OT is good
>ESB is the best OT movie
>George isn't credited as writer or director
>therefore George had nothing to do with writing or directing the movie

You can't tell me the common consensus for years (before people started to re-evaluate the PT and George's role in the franchise) was that Empire was the best one solely because George had the least to do with it, even though we have proof that he was a major part of the production of the entire trilogy. Calling anti-Lucas SW fans who believe that dumb shit "retards" might have been harsh but my point still stands. That's what they seriously believe. "He couldn't have done anything good because he's bad". George was the leading editor of ANH, on top of the fact that he directed the movie. He hired talented people to help him do a job. They did the job. The quality of the filmmaking in the PT isn't as good as the OT and he had major control over those movies like the OT. I never said he did it all himself. Filmmaking is a collaborative medium.

You basically summed up why Disney didn't want to have anything to do with Lucas' plans for the Sequels. Or initially, the Prequels. They went with OT pandering before they let TLJ go in with SJW themes; because a vocal chunk of the fanbase full of blind, deaf, comatose, lobotomy patients kept asking for things to be set back to OT standards, while also saying that everything Lucas touches is bad, as if he had some kind of reverse-Midas effect. This continued to go on until TLJ and Solo flopped, and people began to beg for Lucas' return.

 

[Adamska]

Meanwhile the other batch fans conveniently ignore the massive hype that Phantom Menace built and utterly failed in trying to match due to years of shilling and a big revival of the series by rereleases and games as well as massive ad pushes. And that getting a 6.5/10 film when you expect a 9/10 will fucking enrage you.

Bitch star wars fans are all blind, dumb, retarded, and deaf. Including myself.

 

[Akumaten]

I don't really see how. The fan's logic is literally:

>the prequels are bad
>George wrote and directed all three
>therefore he's the reason they are bad because he had the most responsibility over them
>and he made the special editions
>that means he's a hack
>ANH has good editing
>George is not credited as the editor
>that means he had nothing to do with the editing being good
>the OT is good
>ESB is the best OT movie
>George isn't credited as writer or director
>therefore George had nothing to do with writing or directing the movie

You can't tell me the common consensus for years (before people started to re-evaluate the PT and George's role in the franchise) was that Empire was the best one solely because George had the least to do with it, even though we have proof that he was a major part of the production of the entire trilogy. Calling anti-Lucas SW fans who believe that dumb shit "retards" might have been harsh but my point still stands. That's what they seriously believe. "He couldn't have done anything good because he's bad". George was the leading editor of ANH, on top of the fact that he directed the movie. He hired talented people to help him do a job. They did the job. The quality of the filmmaking in the PT isn't as good as the OT and he had major control over those movies like the OT. I never said he did it all himself. Filmmaking is a collaborative medium.

After watching the Rick Woley vid and watching lots of BTS material, I pinpointed one disgusting sentiment, "We want our authors dead so we can do whatever to the works"*. The same thing is happenig to J.K. Rowling, they want to get rid of her name and let Harry Potter be run by the crazies she invited.
Lucas' movies went against the Hollywood norm with Lucas creating his own company, using toy sales instead of going to Hollywood banks. These are the same psychos who wrote a song "George Lucas Raped My Childhood" while in glee that Star Wars is given to a company with child molestation cases.

*What is the name of that lazy faggot who said that? It's at 3:24:59.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

After watching the Rick Woley vid and watching lots of BTS material, I pinpointed one disgusting sentiment, "We want our authors dead so we can do whatever to the works"*. The same thing is happenig to J.K. Rowling, they want to get rid of her name and let Harry Potter be run by the crazies she invited.
Lucas' movies went against the Hollywood norm with Lucas creating his own company, using toy sales instead of going to Hollywood banks. These are the same psychos who wrote a song "George Lucas Raped My Childhood" while in glee that Star Wars is given to a company with molestation cases.

Hollywood was mad that someone can beat them at their game without working with them. Notice how the same critics who lambasted the Prequels laid praise at the feet of JJ Abrams for Force Awakens, as if it was some kind of innovative thing, when at most, it was just a shallow copy of the originals. (And not even the best one-KOTOR also took inspiration from the plot of the OT, but its story was far more inspired.)

Even back then, there was a veritable flood of SW content, so people who didn't like the Prequels could go bury their heads in the sand and act as if the Prequels don't exist. You don't like Jar-Jar? Go play the Jedi Knight games and bask in the bearded glory that is Kyle Katarn. You want to have a love story with Star Wars without the groom acting like an awkward teen who's whining about sand? Go play KOTOR and hit up Bastila Shan as a male Jedi. You want to experience a SW story that can fill every detail and still hold up to scrutiny? Go read the Thrawn novels. Literally, people who whined about how GL "raped their childhoods" deserve an ice pick lobotomy, because they're so ignorant about the world of Star Wars that it boggles the mind how these morons consider themselves "fans" at all.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Happy 20th birthday to Attack of the Clones!

In all seriousness, this was the very first star wars movie I remember seeing in theaters as a kid. I bought a lot of merchandising from the movie.

Even for all its obvious flaws, I would rather this movie, and the rest of the prequels, than the entire What If trilogy and today’s garbage.

 

[Sneed F91]

Happy 20th birthday to Attack of the Clones!
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In all seriousness, this was the very first star wars movie I remember seeing in theaters as a kid. I bought a lot of merchandising from the movie.

Even for all its obvious flaws, I would rather this movie, and the rest of the prequels, than the entire What If trilogy and today’s garbage.

I can't believe this movie is 20. ROTS turning 20 will hit me like a ton of bricks.

Do you want to see a Star Wars movie that actually takes real creative risks and actually does "something different"? Watch Attack of the Clones. Is it a good movie? Nope, not at all. In fact it's very awkward and boring the entire time. But if it was written and directed by someone else I think it could have been one of the best Star Wars movies ever made just for it's sheer ambition. The setup (Anakin protecting Padme, Detective Obi Wan, the start of the Clone Wars) should work, but it unfortunately doesn't. Hayden isn't as bad as everyone said he was. I will say it does add a lot to the SW universe and expands upon it instead of just rehashing the past for nostalgia. AOTC and ROTS basically injected life into Star Wars after the 90s it wouldn't have had without it.

Also Natalie Portman.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Attack of the Clones.......I was there when it first came out.

The audience was held in suspense in the first part. A little bored in the middle part. And then, when the war on Geonosis began, people were clapping like seals. Especially when Yoda attacked Count Dooku.

I know a lot of fans (*couch* RLM *cough*) who were whining that Yoda shouldn't have fought, but Yoda IS a Jedi, and the traditional weapon of the Jedi, aside from the Force, is the lightsaber. So it made perfect sense to the audience that he would fight, they were just pleasantly surprised when he started jumping around like Pikachu and quick-attacking Dooku.

Again, you can tell the difference between fake fans that hide behind bullshit sophistry like RLM, and real fans who, despite being adults, acted like they were kids again when Yoda started fighting. And yes, I went with an adult crowd who showed me the unaltered versions of the OT two years before TPM came out.

 

[Dom Cruise]

I was there 20 years ago and I remember it well.

The initial scenes on Coruscant were jaw dropping on the big screen, the romance scenes were groan worthy and boring, Yoda hopping around with a light saber was goofy, but cool.

It was a fun enough night at the movies, but I've never had the desire to watch it again in the 20 years since because the story and characterization isn't there, divorced from the big screen, theatrical experience, what's the point? It brought the spectacle but not the characters, you don't want to spend time with them like you enjoy just spending time with Han, Luke and Leia.

AOTC is kind of the Prequels at their best and worst, ROTS just kind of bored me, so I guess AOTC was the last time a Star Wars movie really managed to bring the spectacle and thrill me (though the best action scene in all the Prequels is the pod race), in addition to that, the "I slaughtered them like animals" scene is maybe the one moment of drama that actually works, but then the romance scenes are probably the worst parts of the Prequels save for Jar Jar.

 

[Sneed F91]

AOTC is kind of the Prequels at their best and worst

I can agree with that. The imagination and ambition is there with the poor writing and cardboard awkwardness of the entire thing thanks to George.

ROTS just kind of bored me

Honestly that's an opinion I don't see many people having that often. If anything most people like ROTS the best. I think it's the most consistently entertaining of the PT. Most people clapped because Vader was

in addition to that, the "I slaughtered them like animals" scene is maybe the one moment of drama that actually works

I think it's a testament to Hayden's acting abilities. When he's given something interesting to do he brings it to the table.

That and rescuing his mother are the two moments in the movie that actually work for me. His relationship with his mother was set up in TPM and gets paid off here, leading to his rushed turn to the dark side in Episode 3.

I never knew the "to be angry is to be human" line was added for the home media release and wasn't in the theatrical edition of the movie. What an unnecessary shitty line to add to the movie.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

I never knew the "to be angry is to be human" line was added for the home media release and wasn't in the theatrical edition of the movie. What an unnecessary shitty line to add to the movie.

Hell, in the third draft of the script, there was this line from Padme after Anakin gets done throwing a fit about Obi Wan.

“You sounded exactly like that little boy I once knew, when he didn’t get his way.”

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Happy 20th birthday to Attack of the Clones!
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In all seriousness, this was the very first star wars movie I remember seeing in theaters as a kid. I bought a lot of merchandising from the movie.

Even for all its obvious flaws, I would rather this movie, and the rest of the prequels, than the entire What If trilogy and today’s garbage.

Attack of the Clones is interesting looking back, there were some things that were boring, some cool sequence, and parts of the movie that are unintentionally funny. It's honestly fun to watch even if it's like one of the objectively not so great movies.

 

[Sneed F91]

Attack of the Clones is interesting looking back, there were some things that were boring, some cool sequence, and parts of the movie that are unintentionally funny. It's honestly fun to watch even if it's like one of the objectively not so great movies.

This. In comparison to the PT, the DT ranges from fucking boring (the entirety of TFA, parts of TLJ), or painful (other parts of TLJ), but very rarely so bad it's fun to watch. TROS was closest to being enjoyable for how shit it was, but none of those movies had any real creativity and they didn't have anything cool either.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

This. In comparison to the PT, the DT ranges from fucking boring (the entirety of TFA, parts of TLJ), or painful (other parts of TLJ), but very rarely so bad it's fun to watch. TROS was closest to being enjoyable for how shit it was, but none of those movies had any real creativity and they didn't have anything cool either.

I disagree, TLJ was the most funny of the DT movies to watch. TFS felt like a slog and the only reason to watch TROS is to just see how the shitshow ends like they neutered the best part of the Prequels and made Palpatine boring

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

I disagree, TLJ was the most funny of the DT movies to watch. TFS felt like a slog and the only reason to watch TROS is to just see how the shitshow ends like they neutered the best part of the Prequels and made Palpatine boring

Hard disagree. The contempt seeping from Rian Johnson toward the audience was too insulting for me to find humor in it. It was like watching a mental patient take your favorite pet, doused it in gasoline, set it on fire, then proceed to fornicate with the remains.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Looking back at Attack of the Clones, it was a very ambitious movie. This movie could have been an effortless middle child of the trilogy but it wasn't. George still took a big risk in making the first big budgeted block buster film shot on a digital camera.
Some of the cgi hasn't aged well at all but some of the scenes like the Coruscant speeder chase still looks as good as it did 20 years ago. Ewan shines even better then he did in the previous film as Obi-Wan and I'll defend Hayden's performance as Anakin to the death if I have to. Christopher Lee did a good job as Count Dooku, it's just a shme we didn't get very much of him. Jango vs. Obi Wan is still one of my favorite fight scenes in star wars. Dexter Jester, even though he only appeared in one slightly more than 2 minute scene still had a bigger impact on me than any of the what if trillogy characters. And say what you want about the romance scenes but at least they tried compared to the what if trillogy, the mcu, or almost any film made today who has the romance depth of a puddle.

Not to mention the Geonosis Arena. That foam model they carved out must have been a fun project to have worked on.

 

[Sneed F91]

Looking back at Attack of the Clones, it was a very ambitious movie. This movie could have been an effortless middle child of the trilogy but it wasn't. George still took a big risk in making the first big budgeted block buster film shot on a digital camera.
Some of the cgi hasn't aged well at all but some of the scenes like the Coruscant speeder chase still looks as good as it did 20 years ago. Ewan shines even better then he did in the previous film as Obi-Wan and I'll defend Hayden's performance as Anakin to the death if I have to. Christopher Lee did a good job as Count Dooku, it's just a shme we didn't get very much of him. Jango vs. Obi Wan is still one of my favorite fight scenes in star wars. Dexter Jester, even though he only appeared in one slightly more than 2 minute scene still had a bigger impact on me than any of the what if trillogy characters. And say what you want about the romance scenes but at least they tried compared to the what if trillogy, the mcu, or almost any film made today who has the romance depth of a puddle.

Not to mention the Geonosis Arena. That foam model they carved out must have been a fun project to have worked on.

I wonder what it must feel like to have millions of people think the practical effects you spent years working on is just shitty CGI

 

[Newman's Lovechild]

I always love how Luke is basically telling Palpatine to fuck off.

I always love how it's Palpatine who confirms Luke as a Jedi with that one line.

>George is not credited as the editor
>that means he had nothing to do with the editing being good

Again you completely miss the point that 'not having an editing credit' does not mean he had everything or even anything to do with the quality of the editing.

Complaining about prequel hater logic, just, FFS.

Look, Star Wars is George's baby, of course he had the major hand in pulling it all together, but that doesn't mean he didn't assemble a crew of capable people and did it all himself, or was even capable of doing it all himself. If there's anything we've seen it's that there are some things that he wasn't really very capable of. Set the prequels aside for a moment, go right back to episode four and anecdotes about Alec Guiness and Harrison Ford having to recite his garbage dialogue.

Because you and a bunch of other kiwis saw the prequels as snot nosed kids doesn't mean they're a high bar of Star Wars. You think people who can't help but notice the gaping flaws in the prequels are obnoxious, sucking George's cock and crowing about 'prequel hating retards' getting rekt because he maaaybe, pooossibly did a little bit of editing on ANH is not too endearing either. And pretty retarded itself.

Even back then, there was a veritable flood of SW content, so people who didn't like the Prequels could go bury their heads in the sand and act as if the Prequels don't exist. You don't like Jar-Jar? Go play the Jedi Knight games and bask in the bearded glory that is Kyle Katarn. You want to have a love story with Star Wars without the groom acting like an awkward teen who's whining about sand? Go play KOTOR and hit up Bastila Shan as a male Jedi. You want to experience a SW story that can fill every detail and still hold up to scrutiny? Go read the Thrawn novels. Literally, people who whined about how GL "raped their childhoods" deserve an ice pick lobotomy, because they're so ignorant about the world of Star Wars that it boggles the mind how these morons consider themselves "fans" at all.

I say this as someone who was quite fond of the Thrawn trilogy: sideshow merch. How much of it would have any meaning or following without nerds latching onto the movies first?

The movies turned to shit, let me play with my black series dollies or get in a bidding war for some obscure OOP comic to make up for it.

The imagination and ambition is there with the poor writing and cardboard awkwardness of the entire thing thanks to George.

By this metric Chris Chan is one of the greatest authors of the age and Josh is, what was it? A fake fan indulging in sophistry? By making a web forum to point and laugh.

'Fake fans' and 'real fans'. Fuck me, Lord Imperator, you're really scraping the bottom of the barrel there. I didn't imagine that 'real fans clap like seals and consoom any old shit with the right label on it' bullshit existed anywhere inside the KF bubble.

Give me your top hats. I am MATI, having to read this drivel.