Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

How well is the war this going for Russia?

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    Votes: 278 11.8%
  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 796 33.7%
  • ⭐⭐ Stalemate

    Votes: 659 27.9%
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    Votes: 378 16.0%

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Someone speaking sense on Russian TV. The host really doesn’t like it.



Edit - also “Russia OPSEC is to not use smartphones”
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Turkey really doesn't have as much leverage as they think they do. If they scupper Sweden and Finland joining NATO, they will just form a Baltic Alliance with Poland, Germany, the Baltics, Norway, Denmark and the UK. Exact same outcome in the end.
Turkey has the perfect leverage of a veto. NATO is a bit more than just a defensive alliance, which your supposed thing represents. Also lol at believing germans would join another alliance as long as they are usa' bitch.
 
Call me a softie but I’m glad they didn’t kill themselves in that awful bunker. Not that the Russians will be tender with them.
Well, the Ukrainian Deputy Minister of Defense just said the following on television:
  • 53 seriously wounded soldiers surrendered and were taken to a hospital in Novoazovsk
  • 211 healthy soldiers surrendered and were taken to Donetsk city (she says 'evacuated' but I think it's reasonable to assume they're surrenders at the moment)
  • A prisoner exchange to get the soldiers (including wounded? I'm unsure) back is currently being organized
  • There are still Azov guys in the factory who haven't surrendered yet
Things could change very quickly of course, but judging just from this source it seems the guys who did choose to surrender might get really lucky. But it's very much a wait and see sort of thing.
 
Turkey really doesn't have as much leverage as they think they do. If they scupper Sweden and Finland joining NATO, they will just form a Baltic Alliance with Poland, Germany, the Baltics, Norway, Denmark and the UK. Exact same outcome in the end.

Turkey is that annoying kid in the playground that has the most marbles. That shit-head kid on the footbal field whose ball it happens to be that everyone is playing with.

They dominate the Grand Chessboard of geopolitics because, well, they happen to be bang slap in the center of that chessboard, and as anyone that has played chess will know, that's an essential position to dominate if you want to win.

Ok, they don't really dominate, but they punch above their weight. Turkey had 70 percent inflation last time I looked. That isn't getting better anytime soon. Doesn't surprise me that the Turkroach Erdogan is milking this for all it's worth. He'll probably get a concession here or there. He's probably not expecting more than that. But he wants his ounce of flesh. He knows better than to go against the big boys who he plays ball with. He might threaten to take the ball home with him, but 'peer pressure' shall we say, will convince him otherwise. Fuck him the dirty little Turkroach.

But at least everyone knows where they stand with Erdogan - he's a back-stabbing opportunistic bastard. He doesn't just play both sides, he plays every side. Christian, Muslim, Russian, West, Arab etc. etc.

Better the devil you know. He's not on my Xmas card list obviously, but you have to hand it to the guy: he's a master of knowing when to step on the gas, and when to step off the gas.

As a country, Turkey has so many Geopolitical advantages, not just the fact it's the center of the chessboard. There's that waterway that cuts right through it that you might miss if you looked from farther out on a map - that joins the Black Sea with the wider Mediterranean -


The Turkish Straits (Turkish: Türk Boğazları) are two internationally significant waterways in northwestern Turkey. The straits create a series of international passages that connect the Aegean and Mediterranean seas to the Black Sea. They consist of the Dardanelles and the Bosphorus. The straits are on opposite ends of the Sea of Marmara. The straits and the Sea of Marmara are part of the sovereign sea territory of Turkey and subject to the regime of internal waters.



It helps better to appreciate Turkey's geopolitical might in relation to the fact it's pretty much a 3rd world shithole, if you look at it from above on a Globe - you know one of those big round spinning things on an axis. It's betwixt two worlds.

Really Turkey should be neutral, but no one would allow that. It's to be leveraged and played and dealt with like the slimey little Ottoman street trader (((merchant))) that it is. And Erdogan is the slimey little street trader par excellence. The jews HATE him!!!

Still, you gotta hand it to this mystery meat physiognomy specimen, the way he's carved out an empire for himself, all based on being in the right place at the right time and being ruthless enough to take advantage of it. Torture keeps most of the populaton in line most of the time (or at least the threat of it). The dirty little Turkroach even survived a half-plausible coup attempt.

Erdogan gets to have his cake and eat it. Knowing full well, he's got both sides by the balls. He tickles them just enough, gives them a little twist when he has to, and if you're lucky and he's playing nice he might even give them a little 'cupping'. He thinks he's a master politician/diplomat/player on the world stage, and he may be to a small extent. But he's an even bigger whore that will do what ever it needs to get ahead - selling out his own people - no betrayal too small - no subterfuge too great - and all for what? To build another wing on his Megalomaniac mansion.

Hell, I'm starting to warm to the guy! Maybe I'll put him back on my Xmas card list after all! Let's see what happens with the whole Finland/Sweden thing first. But I'm sure it's no more than the yapping of an otherwise annoying little dog. We shall see.
 
Well, the Ukrainian Deputy Minister of Defense just said the following on television:
  • 53 seriously wounded soldiers surrendered and were taken to a hospital in Novoazovsk
  • 211 healthy soldiers surrendered and were taken to Donetsk city (she says 'evacuated' but I think it's reasonable to assume they're surrenders at the moment)
  • A prisoner exchange to get the soldiers (including wounded? I'm unsure) back is currently being organized
  • There are still Azov guys in the factory who haven't surrendered yet
Things could change very quickly of course, but judging just from this source it seems the guys who did choose to surrender might get really lucky. But it's very much a wait and see sort of thing.
Stil inside??? I admire their balls but at this point is purely suicidal.
 
Turkey is that annoying kid in the playground that has the most marbles. That shit-head kid on the footbal field whose ball it happens to be that everyone is playing with.

They dominate the Grand Chessboard of geopolitics because, well, they happen to be bang slap in the center of that chessboard, and as anyone that has played chess will know, that's an essential position to dominate if you want to win.

Ok, they don't really dominate, but they punch above their weight. Turkey had 70 percent inflation last time I looked. That isn't getting better anytime soon. Doesn't surprise me that the Turkroach Erdogan is milking this for all it's worth. He'll probably get a concession here or there. He's probably not expecting more than that. But he wants his ounce of flesh. He knows better than to go against the big boys who he plays ball with. He might threaten to take the ball home with him, but 'peer pressure' shall we say, will convince him otherwise. Fuck him the dirty little Turkroach.

But at least everyone knows where they stand with Erdogan - he's a back-stabbing opportunistic bastard. He doesn't just play both sides, he plays every side. Christian, Muslim, Russian, West, Arab etc. etc.

Better the devil you know. He's not on my Xmas card list obviously, but you have to hand it to the guy: he's a master of knowing when to step on the gas, and when to step off the gas.

As a country, Turkey has so many Geopolitical advantages, not just the fact it's the center of the chessboard. There's that waterway that cuts right through it that you might miss if you looked from farther out on a map - that joins the Black Sea with the wider Mediterranean -


The Turkish Straits (Turkish: Türk Boğazları) are two internationally significant waterways in northwestern Turkey. The straits create a series of international passages that connect the Aegean and Mediterranean seas to the Black Sea. They consist of the Dardanelles and the Bosphorus. The straits are on opposite ends of the Sea of Marmara. The straits and the Sea of Marmara are part of the sovereign sea territory of Turkey and subject to the regime of internal waters.


It helps better to appreciate Turkey's geopolitical might in relation to the fact it's pretty much a 3rd world shithole, if you look at it from above on a Globe - you know one of those big round spinning things on an axis. It's betwixt two worlds.

Really Turkey should be neutral, but no one would allow that. It's to be leveraged and played and dealt with like the slimey little Ottoman street trader (((merchant))) that it is. And Erdogan is the slimey little street trader par excellence. The jews HATE him!!!

Still, you gotta hand it to this mystery meat physiognomy specimen, the way he's carved out an empire for himself, all based on being in the right place at the right time and being ruthless enough to take advantage of it. Torture keeps most of the populaton in line most of the time (or at least the threat of it). The dirty little Turkroach even survived a half-plausible coup attempt.

Erdogan gets to have his cake and eat it. Knowing full well, he's got both sides by the balls. He tickles them just enough, gives them a little twist when he has to, and if you're lucky and he's playing nice he might even give them a little 'cupping'. He thinks he's a master politician/diplomat/player on the world stage, and he may be to a small extent. But he's an even bigger whore that will do what ever it needs to get ahead - selling out his own people - no betrayal too small - no subterfuge too great - and all for what? To build another wing on his Megalomaniac mansion.

Hell, I'm starting to warm to the guy! Maybe I'll put him back on my Xmas card list after all! Let's see what happens with the whole Finland/Sweden thing first. But I'm sure it's no more than the yapping of an otherwise annoying little dog. We shall see.
Main reason Turkey is in NATO was obsolete long before the Soviet Union fell anyways, the US needed a place that could hit deep within the Russian heartland with missiles, IRBMs and ICBMs wouldn't exist for another few years and even then, would still have some significant drawbacks for another several years, so the primary nuclear delivery system was still bombers which were much easier to intercept. Turkey was basically the perfect place for them.

Fast forward a decade, good old Khrushchev wants to place his missiles at a place to hit deep within America like the US can do to Russia, since ICBMs were still pretty new. Cuban Missile Crisis happens, both sides remove their missiles from both Cuba and Turkey because everyone doesn't want to get blown up and both realize ICBMs are finally starting to get reliable and plentiful enough that Cuba and Turkey missile stations aren't really necessary anymore.
 
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@Smity Werbenjagermanjensen

Main reason Turkey is in NATO was obsolete long before the Soviet Union fell anyways, the US needed a place that could hit deep within the Russian heartland with missiles, IRBMs and ICBMs wouldn't exist for another few years and even then, would still have some significant drawbacks for another several years, so the primary nuclear delivery system was still bombers which were much easier to intercept. Turkey was basically the perfect place for them.

But you repeat myself!

I didn't know that.

That's the thing of being the absolute fucking ground zero center of the world's land mass. It's easier to hit anything from there. Who wouldn't want their missiles stationed there. Shorter range to go, quicker to hit. This is Turkey's major geopolitical advantage and why it has been taken so seriously on the world stage by much bigger players.

Still, didn't know that little factoid, so thank you.

But it's not just stationing and putting missiles within Turkey's land mass. It's almost as much about them allowing their neighbors to have said missiles stationed there, right next to their borders. They can always cry "But they are threatening us" or whatever side they happen to be on today or tomorrow. And they will always have a good argument. They are the joker in the pack of Geopolitical relations and as such, that may actually make them the only truly Neutral country on Planet Earth. Because they have to be. No matter what bluff and bluster they give out.

It's turning out that the Finns and the Swedes maybe aren't so neutral after all.

It's an inverse and somewhat perverse turn of events. Finland and Sweden are a big major buffer. Even I can see why Russia might be threatened by them joining Nato. I don't think that Sweden or Finland thinks it's going to be invaded any time soon, but strike while the iron is hot! Now is too good an opportunity to let pass. Russia can do little at the moment. It is stretched strategically and also politically and 'optics wise'.

Never forget that the West (UK/USA et al) turn a blind eye to the atrocities (and I'm not just talking about their haircuts, though, my good god!) that go on in Turkey, just so they can have 'their boy' in the region. Erdogan is their boy. He thinks he's the pimp, but he's more pimped out than anything else.

This game has been played for a long time now. Everyone knows their position, but still, just like copyright and trademark law or wtf, you have to defend it periodically or you won't have a greater claim when it comes to going to court. You have to defend what is yours, when it's not even being threatened. And you have to threaten other countries, even when they aren't trying to attack you. This is the game of Geopolitics to an extent. but to a greater extent it's the game that Turkey plays. Then again, everyone who is a player at that table knows their game.

All that being said, Turkey lies at the center of the greatest land mass on Planet Earth.

Earth is 70 percent water/ocean.

You have the continents of North/South America (Canada - 2nd Largest country by land mass) *, and they do take up a lot. Then you have Australia, that takes up a lot again.

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But Russia is the biggest country on Planet Earth. And on that continent you also have China. You also have India. Oh, and you also have fucking Europe!

And right in the very center of that land mass is Turkey. Equidistant to all points in Russia, China, India, oh, and fucking Europe!

You do the math. This isn't 5D chess. It's basic 2D Chess game.

Turkey has been negging the West, Russia, Arabs, for as long as it got recognized as such - the major InCel player in this game of wider Geopolitics. And as much as everyone would like to wipe it off the map, none can, because it not only means too much to each country, geopolitically, but it means too much to the other countries geopolitically.

Let's face it. You'd love to kick that little bitch dog over the fence in a rugby punt when it starts snapping at your heals. But you can't. Either because the owner is a big hairy brute of a bastard, or it's some little old lady who has a mean old Alsatian walking with it, and you know, well, maybe next time... Sometimes both.

Ironically, this counter-weight, this gimbal, right at the center of gravity of where it's needed most, provides some kind of stability, when it is needed most. And everyone turns a blind eye and pretends to take notice when the dog yaps. Throw it another bone FFS. The little doggie just wants everyone to know I'm here I'm here look at me.

So they pat it on the head, give it another concession, turn another blind eye (to shit like torture).

But it's not purely attention seeking. It's a little Geopolitical reminder that they are treacherous cunts and will turn on a sixpence/dime to either protect themselves, or get a better deal.

In this way, they may ironically be the only neutral war-mongering country on earth.

This whole Turkey thing will be forgotten in a bit. Forgive the sperg out.

It'll be back to the other battle lines being drawn and redrawn very soon.

I don't see any other way this can play out without it becoming a major World War, very soon.
 
Exact same outcome in the end.
not even close. a regional north european alliance could not realistically stand up against possible russian invasion, could not successfully protect and defend finland from getting rolled over. to provide that level of power you need the burger army.

that said, finland could in theory try to get security guarantees from america directly, without NATO membership, to obtain american protection against russia without depending on approval from king roach. where there's a will, there's a way, and america probably won't pass up this opportunity to gain control over a ton of territory on russias northwestern flank.
 
In sanctions related news, McDonalds has decided to sell its Russian operations. For reference for the people who paid no attention to the details, before now while McDonalds had closed the stores it owned in Russia, it was only a "temporary" closure and they reportedly continued to pay employees. Now they've decided to actually sell the stores they own, and have started the process of taking their name off the stores and looking for a buyer. They're apparently hoping to find a local buyer who'll agree to take over paying employees while the sale is finalized. No idea how that'd work out in practice if the stores aren't open, but we'll see.
 
This thread fucking glows on a Atomic levels
There's spooks kooks and gooks vomiting all manner of mental diarrhea, This war should be a Fucking Wake up call to all Europeans and Americans. We have 40,000,000,000 reasons to be rightly questioning why the powers-that-be are hell bent on watching rome 2.o burn to the ground.


Priorities and all
 
The anniversary summit of the CSTO (Collective Security Treaty Organization) began in the Kremlin. The meeting of the leaders of Russia, Armenia, Kazakhstan, Belarus, Tajikistan, and Kyrgyzstan is taking place in the Alexander Hall of the Grand Kremlin Palace.
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Putin's statements at the CSTO summit in Moscow:


— As for the expansion of NATO, including at the expense of Finland and Sweden. Russia has no problems with these states, and therefore no additional threat is created for the Russian Federation at the expense of these countries. But the expansion of military infrastructure will cause a backlash.


— NATO goes beyond its geographical purpose and tries not to influence other regions in the best way.


— The US biological laboratories in Ukraine, in fact, were engaged in the development of biological weapons near the borders of the CSTO.


— A whole series of joint military exercises of the CSTO is planned for autumn, their number will expand.

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I see he got a better table.
 
I hope they just tell Erdodog to fuck off if he demands insane stuff like Northern Cyprus or reperations for supporting the YPG.

I mean Finland doesn't really need NATO that much with the defence pact with the UK and the EU membership. And why should Russia in it's current state even attack Finland?
 
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