Mega Rad Gun Thread

Where they carrying a rifle in their hand? Perhaps in a sling but a presence of a rifle is the only thing that gets me a little worried.
I didn't even think of rifle, just assumed handgun in a holster.
What got to me was the perfect combination of being scared of loud noises and this whole story starting off with "I was getting my vaccine". It's like a character in some bad skit.
 
Where they carrying a rifle in their hand? Perhaps in a sling but a presence of a rifle is the only thing that gets me a little worried.
If I could get away with carrying a rifle every where I would.
A handgun is inferior but convenient.
I think it was Clint Smith that said the purpose of a handgun is to fight your way to a rifle. ARX100RX01.jpg
 
I just realized something lol, If World War 2 had lasted an extra two years, we would have seen the AK-47 debut in the war.

From bolt actions with usually 5 to 10 round capacities at the beginning of the war to modern fully automatic rifles with 30 round magazines at the end.
Russia had something like that going even further back, look up the Avtomat Fedorova. Even got a proto-dong.
 
I just realized something lol, If World War 2 had lasted an extra two years, we would have seen the AK-47 debut in the war.

From bolt actions with usually 5 to 10 round capacities at the beginning of the war to modern fully automatic rifles with 30 round magazines at the end.
The StG44 debuted in that war, so it sort of already happened?
 
IIRC the STG44 was semi auto only.
It is literally German for Assault Rifle 44. It was a select-fire automatic, and had a higher RPM than most other automatic weapons of the time. Most other countries were still trying to develop weapons for long-range engagements. The Germans had realized that many of their fights were decided within about 500 meters and developed the weapon accordingly.
 
The StG44 debuted in that war, so it sort of already happened?
Ehh, Gun Jesus says it's a myth that the AK came from the StG.

The two countries came to a similar conclusion from two different points:
the Germans wanted a less powerful, more maneuverable rifle, whereas the Russians wanted a souped-up submachine gun.
 
Ehh, Gun Jesus says it's a myth that the AK came from the StG.

The two countries came to a similar conclusion from two different points:
the Germans wanted a less powerful, more maneuverable rifle, whereas the Russians wanted a souped-up submachine gun.
Right. I'm not talking about the origins tho - just the results. 8mm Kurz in a select fire rifle with a 20+ round box mag is the first assault rifle tho, particularly since it wasn't super rare.
 
Ehh, Gun Jesus says it's a myth that the AK came from the StG.

The two countries came to a similar conclusion from two different points:
the Germans wanted a less powerful, more maneuverable rifle, whereas the Russians wanted a souped-up submachine gun.
Well. Colonel Sanders, you're wrong. Momma's right. The same fucking designer of the StG-44, Hugo Schmeisser, was captured by the Red Army. Kalashnikov had no firearms design experience whatsoever, put two and two together.
 
Well. Colonel Sanders, you're wrong. Momma's right. The same fucking designer of the StG-44, Hugo Schmeisser, was captured by the Red Army. Kalashnikov had no firearms design experience whatsoever, put two and two together.
That's the Wehraboo cope.
Mikahil Kalashnikov received training in machine design after his injury during WWII. He actually designed submachine guns before the AK, but because none of them were notable people forgot and assume the AK was his first attempt at gun design. The AK itself is a Garand operating system flipped upside down. The safety acting as a dust cover for the charging handle track was lifted from the Remington Model 8. Why would the Soviets need zee Germans to help copy American designs? Another aspect is that each designer in the trials for weapon designs were backed by teams of assistants and the Soviet trials were somewhat cooperative despite the competitive nature, as the military encouraged design teams to copy each other when moving to the next phase of trials.
Meanwhile, Schmeisser was working in Izhevsk while the AK was being developed in Kovrov and back then you couldn't work over Zoom. In 1952 he was returned to Germany and died in 1953. At this time the AK was being manufactured with milled receivers. The finalized stamped receiver AK design came out in 1959. The stamped receiver is the most obvious comparison with the StG, and Schmeisser sure as shit didn't help them with that.
 
I have my doubts that the Sig Sauer 6.8x51 Hybrid cartridge is the Armor Obliterator that people on the internet make it out to be (at least without Tungsten Carbide) and I am making this post to detail these reasons and offer a chance at critique of my thought process.

This post is going to be a very long sperg post about things I am entirely unqualified to give an opinion on and will contain lots of math, speculation and sperging about things I freely admit I do not fully understand.
Alright Point #1. In the linked below video Garand Thumb chronographs two rounds of CIVILLIAN power Sig 6.8x51 ammunition using a very expensive scientific chronograph and obtains the following velocities, 2823fps and 2822fps respectively out of a 13in barrel with a suppressor. Shots are taken starting at 6:43

Point #2.
The below linked video shows an RMA 1189 Plate withstand 3 rounds of .300 Win Mag loaded with M2AP Projectiles and one round of M80A1 with one round of .300 Win Mag M2AP Penetrating. All shots were taken at "45-46 feet"
.300 Win Mag M2AP Muzzle velocities.
-3276fps
-3236fps
-3205fps
-3220fps
M80A1 muzzle velocity.
-3030fps


Note that the LAST round of .300 Win Mag M2AP was the one to penetrate. The stated Rockwell Hardness of the M80A1 was "48-49" (Note that this measurement was probably taken with non laboratory grade equipment, how much that matters I cannot speak to). Any Steel with a Rockwell Hardness of over 50 is considered "Hard". An image that will be inserted at the bottom of this post says that M2AP has a Vickers Hardness of 785, a Vickers Hardness of 772 is equivalent to a Rockwell Hardness of 63 according to this link.

Point #3. Assumptions
The Military versions of the Sig 6.8 are loaded to a higher pressure than the Civilian version as evidenced by the Civilian Version's lack of a Hybrid case design. Assuming that the Military version achieves 20% higher velocity than the high of 2823fps in the GT video that would give a muzzle velocity of 3387fps out of a 13in barrel, 111fps higher that the highest recorded velocity of the .300 Win Mag loaded with M2AP listed above. To my knowledge there is no publicly available data on the finalized velocity of the Military version of the Sig 6.8 and I have heard numbers ranging from 3000fps to 3500fps, I have also heard that the power was substantially reduced due to recoil concerns.

Point #4. Theoretical Counterpoints
-The Sig 6.8 projectile was designed by the US Government to do what the US Government wanted it to do
-Nobody knows if the Sig 6.8 Can Pen Level IV at all much less at any considerable distance
-The Sig 6.8 projectile was designed with modern technology and manufactured with modern manufacturing methods
-I am entirely unqualified to speak about any of this

#5. Counterpoints to those counterpoints
-This is the US Government we are talking about here, The US Government designed the projectile
-The projectile was designed by the same people who tried for more than a decade to build an Iron Man Suit and wanted to give every infantryman a computerized smart grenade launcher with a rifle strapped to it.
-The US Military allegedly used Steel softer than that found in bullets made during WW2 for their Enhanced Performance Round.
-Big Army does not always get what it wants.

Thoughts? Opinions? Am I retarded? Am I smarter than the American Government?
 

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Question regarding 6.8, why go with a hybrid steel/brass case instead of all steel? Just due to possible extraction issues? Probably something obvious that I missed.
 
Question regarding 6.8, why go with a hybrid steel/brass case instead of all steel? Just due to possible extraction issues? Probably something obvious that I missed.
Because it would be an absolute pain in the ass to make a steel case out of a single alloy that was strong enough at the base to sustain the pressures, soft enough in the walls to expand against the chamber without rupturing, and having the proper neck tension to hold the bullet. Even if there's a steel alloy that could do it all, then that material would also have to be able to be drawn and ironed easily so that it can be actually produced rather than remain a design on paper.
 
Because it would be an absolute pain in the ass to make a steel case out of a single alloy that was strong enough at the base to sustain the pressures, soft enough in the walls to expand against the chamber without rupturing, and having the proper neck tension to hold the bullet. Even if there's a steel alloy that could do it all, then that material would also have to be able to be drawn and ironed easily so that it can be actually produced rather than remain a design on paper.
Interesting, didn't think it would be a significant enough difference in pressure that steel wouldn't suffice. From what I can find, it seems that .277 fury generally has 25% more pressure than 308, so guess it accounts for that.
 
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