Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

[White_N]

The nationalists who surrendered from Azovstal were taken to Yelenovka.
Several Russian servicemen with machine guns are on duty in each bus.
There are probably foreign mercenaries among the prisoners. One of them has a chevron with the British flag on his shoulder.

By the way, today is the Day of Remembrance of the victims of the deportation of the peoples of Crimea

In Crimea, flowers were laid at the Vozrozhdenie Memorial in Simferopol.

 

[Elbereth]

I bothered to go to the webpage to at least verify that bit.

https://www.knife-vorsma.ru/remen-poyasnoy-patriot-vmf/

https://archive.ph/GEgLP

Definitely suspect though so is the pattern still, I'm not aware if any Russians wear that but know very little about Russian military. eg is each branch autistic and demands its own camo pattern like the US military did for the past 20 years? No clue.

Well, I don't know. I'm not a military expert, I've never really was much into military and I didn't made this image.

However, I've notices a very suspicious pattern. Each time Ukraine has nice victory to show to media like destroying Russian base on snake island, or destroying around ~80 russian vehicles during crossing the river it turns out Russia has similar victory in a same place! Just a coincidence, they totally not using their wrecks and presenting them as wrecks of their enemy.

Kind suspicious, doesn't it?
Also why there is javelin missile

Isn't Javeline an anti tank weapon, that's programmed to perform top-down attack on tank and therefore useless on such small island?

 

[Aidan]

Well, I don't know. I'm not a military expert, I've never really was much into military and I didn't made this image.

However, I've notices a very suspicious pattern. Each time Ukraine has nice victory to show to media like destroying Russian base on snake island, or destroying around ~80 russian vehicles during crossing the river it turns out Russia has similar victory in a same place! Just a coincidence, they totally not using their wrecks and presenting them as wrecks of their enemy.

Kind suspicious, doesn't it?
Also why there is javelin missile
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Isn't Javeline an anti tank weapon, that's programmed to perform top-down attack on tank and therefore useless on such small island?

I think you're biased and trying to disprove it just because it's Russian propaganda. I haven't had time to look into it much but also don't care a whole lot as too many things are disinfo from all angles so I'm just going to wait and hopefully time will tell.

 

[Elbereth]

I think you're biased and trying to disprove it just because it's Russian propaganda. I haven't had time to look into it much but also don't care a whole lot as too many things are disinfo from all angles so I'm just going to wait and hopefully time will tell.

Well, I could always say you are biased too How this improves our conversation?

There are very simple issues: why there is russian belt on supposedly Ukrainian corpse? Why would Ukrainans carry very speciallised anti tank weapon on a small island that will not see any tanks? Just because javelin has become symbol of Ukrainian resistance?

 

[Male Idiot]

Well, I could always say you are biased too How this improves our conversation?

There are very simple issues: why there is russian belt on supposedly Ukrainian corpse? Why would Ukrainans carry very speciallised anti tank weapon on a small island that will not see any tanks? Just because javelin has become symbol of Ukrainian resistance?

Not saying ruskies are honest, but holols are slavs. It is a shiney expensive weapon to pawn after the war to Achmed.

Imagine the krokodil and vodka it will fetch.

 

[The Other Baldwin]

Get Some.

 

[Elbereth]

Not saying ruskies are honest, but holols are slavs. It is a shiney expensive weapon to pawn after the war to Achmed.

Imagine the krokodil and vodka it will fetch.

Are you suggesting they carry 22kg large tube that's useless under those condition to snake island just to sell it?

How they would sell it on an island?

 

[Male Idiot]

Are you suggesting they carry 22kg large tube on their mission on snake island just to sell it?

How they would sell it on an island?

Just lug it there and sell it later. Ruskies do this too I am sure. One upside to slavdom is that they aren't fatties.

At worst they just abandon it, Uncle Sam will give them another for free anyway.

Slavs are like Cartman with the pirate treasure up his ass.

 

[Elbereth]

Just lug it there and sell it later. Ruskies do this too I am sure. One upside to slavdom is that they aren't fatties.

At worst they just abandon it, Uncle Sam will give them another for free anyway.

Why the fuck they would carry 22kg tube to island instead of just hiding it and sell latter?

 

[Male Idiot]

Why the fuck they would carry 22kg tube to island instead of just hiding it and sell latter?

Vodka and being a slav. Plus maybe for use against any russian deffkopta nearby, or even a gun emplacement.

 

[Aidan]

Well, I could always say you are biased too How this improves our conversation?

There are very simple issues: why there is russian belt on supposedly Ukrainian corpse? Why would Ukrainans carry very speciallised anti tank weapon on a small island that will not see any tanks? Just because javelin has become symbol of Ukrainian resistance?

I'm not making a claim in either direction so any biases I have don't apply here. The belt is strange, the censorship is strange, the camo is strange. I don't think the Javelin is strange, I think it'd be strange of Russia to bring a Javelin just as a prop.

ps stop -ing so much

 

[The Other Baldwin]

Would you trust this person with any of your personal finances? How about Global Politics and the Money Supply? This is the 70's-1980's all over again. On Steroids.

 

[Elbereth]

I'm not making a claim in either direction so any biases I have don't apply here. The belt is strange, the censorship is strange, the camo is strange. I don't think the Javelin is strange, I think it'd be strange of Russia to bring a Javelin just as a prop.

Why? Well, I can explain why I think it is very likely to be a prop.

First of all, javelin is specifically designed to be anti tank. There are no tanks on island. If you want to have anti air missiles, ukrainans have better ones like Piorun missile, which is capable of hitting planes flying up to 4km and as low as 10m. Javelin cant do that.

Moreover, look at this:

Notice there is this big black box missing from recording? Yeah, that thing is command lauch unit. It contains useful optics, termo-vision, you can use it stand alone for observations for example. But more important this thing is detachable and reusable.

So only thing we see on this recording is tube likely empty tube, but you cant be 100% sure due to each shot in this video being like 1s and not going into detail (kinda sus, doesn't it?). So, the very thing that Ukrainans are throwing away, is lying everywhere in Ukraine all because it is useless.

ps stop -ing so much

No, because each time I come to this thread I'm losing my mind.

 

[Aidan]

Why? Well, I can explain why I think it is very likely to be a prop.

First of all, javelin is specifically designed to be anti tank. There are no tanks on island. If you want to have anti air missiles, ukrainans have better ones like Piorun missile, which is capable of hitting planes flying up to 4km and as low as 10m. Javelin cant do that.

"Javelin is a fire-and-forget missile with lock-on before launch and automatic self-guidance. The system takes a top-attack flight profile against armored vehicles, attacking the usually thinner top armor, but can also make a direct attack, for use against buildings, targets too close for top attack, targets under obstructions and helicopters.[10]" - wikipedia

This was also stated previously in the thread. Didn't they even shoot a helicopter down with one earlier in the conflict?

Moreover, look at this:
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Notice there is this big black box missing from recording? Yeah, that thing is command lauch unit. It contains useful optics, termo-vision, you can use it stand alone for observations for example. But more important this thing is detachable and reusable.

So only thing we see on this recording is tube likely empty tube, but you cant be 100% sure due to each shot in this video being like 1s and not going into detail (kinda sus, doesn't it?). So, the very thing that Ukrainans are throwing away, is lying everywhere in Ukraine all because it is useless.

You nor anyone else itt knows why it's there, it's just ignorant speculation. Maybe a tube was brought by Russians are proofs or maybe not... you don't know yet are absolutely certain that there's no way this ended up there thanks to Ukrainians.
You're irrational.

No, because each time I come to this thread I'm losing my mind.

Yeah that much is known.

 

[Elbereth]

"Javelin is a fire-and-forget missile with lock-on before launch and automatic self-guidance. The system takes a top-attack flight profile against armored vehicles, attacking the usually thinner top armor, but can also make a direct attack, for use against buildings, targets too close for top attack, targets under obstructions and helicopters.[10]" - wikipedia

This was also stated previously in the thread. Didn't they even shoot a helicopter down with one earlier in the conflict?

Yeah, you could shot a heli with it. But why take something that can maybe shoot a heli, instead of something that is designed to shoot helis and planes? Doesn't taking dedicated anti air missile just makes more sense?

You nor anyone else itt knows why it's there, it's just ignorant speculation. Maybe a tube was brought by Russians are proofs or maybe not... you don't know yet are absolutely certain that there's no way this ended up there thanks to Ukrainians.
You're irrational.

I point out flaws in video, that has some weird, quick cuts and because of that I'm irrational. Totally makes sense Do you have any argument, or just try to insult me?

 

[Aidan]

Yeah, you could shot a heli with it. But why take something that can maybe shoot a heli, instead of something that is designed to shoot helis and planes? Doesn't taking dedicated anti air missile just makes more sense?

I don't know, I didn't bring it there.

I point out flaws in video, that has some weird, quick cuts and because of that I'm irrational. Totally makes sense Do you have any argument, or just try to insult me?

Yeah, my argument is that no one actually knows anything and the strangeness in the video doesn't go one way. It's just weird and there's no clarifying info to iron things out.

 

[Male Idiot]

Yeah, you could shot a heli with it. But why take something that can maybe shoot a heli, instead of something that is designed to shoot helis and planes? Doesn't taking dedicated anti air missile just makes more sense?

I point out flaws in video, that has some weird, quick cuts and because of that I'm irrational. Totally makes sense Do you have any argument, or just try to insult me?

Hey, maybe they could only get this. War can be hard on logistics. Of course both sides can lie.

 

[Elbereth]

I don't know, I didn't bring it there.

Yeah, my argument is that no one actually knows anything and the strangeness in the video doesn't go one way. It's just weird and there's no clarifying info to iron things out.

What kind of evidence would convince you, that russian made whole thing up?

 

[Aidan]

What kind of evidence would convince you, that russian made whole thing up?

Actual evidence and not a belt buckle and Javelin

 

[Elbereth]

Actual evidence and not a belt buckle and Javelin

What do you say is actual evidence?