2022-05-18 - Government of Australia: URGENT class 1 removal notice from the eSafety Commissioner [SEC=OFFICIAL:Sensitive]

[Umaibae]

I believe the video should remain up as a reminder of the gruesome reality of these attacks, not because I'm a white supremacist who supports it. Censoring it does absolutely nothing but embolden the sick fucks who do support it and makes it harder for people who don't to face the true reality of what happened. Primary sources of highly newsworthy events deserve to be publicly accessible, even if it's hard to stomach them. CP is a different story because it only exists to harm kids and get pedophiles off, there's no non-criminal reason to possess or want to view it, unlike this.

The manifesto is important to help recognize how these fucktards act, think and become autistic recluses, too. Censoring it is censoring newsworthy facts.

 

[Apteryx Owenii]

then two minutes ago I refreshed and got the error message indicating that kiwifarms had been "glassed" which made me think, just for a fleeting moment, that Australia actually had some modicum of power

nevermind it was just a hiccup

 

[SomeDood]

Terrorism is also illegal with CP obviously, but how do we decide that the violent act of blowing away people with a gun is protected content, but the violent act of not killing children but raping them is not protected.

I'd argue that the problem with CP is the market it creates for it, which leads to more illegal activity.
While acts of terror and gorevids don't seem to create a new black market for people to be incentivised to commit more terrorism.

But I'm personally just a proponent of having horrible events archived to learn from those instead of whitewashing them away.
When it comes to lust as a motivation to view said material though, I have a problem with access to it - but I guess that's the fine line we walk with free speech and free expression

 

[FuckedOffToff]

Not to open a can of worms here but for the purposes of expressing the nature of free speech - would anyone on here find it disturbing if someone tried to ask a website to remove content relating to the rape and murder of a child?

Given that this horrid act is also illegal as well as acts of terrorism, are we really expressing that we are open to free speech, or just that we think that Terorism isn't so bad and should be viewed at ones leisure? Because some find the idea of a gunman shooting lots of people for joy just as disgusting as other things - like the raping and killing of children.

A comment purely for the purpose of showing are we actually fighting for free speech or just what we think is acceptable? Because threatening others too is free speech but that is even bared on KF.

Would a video of a terrorist going through a school and blowing children away be met with the same response as "its free speech"? Just putting it out there to see what everyone else thinks.

I'd assume child pornography would be removed, but there's footage of children getting killed in Ukraine being uploaded to Twitter.

 

[Swingletonthesimpleton]

The only good thing that ever came from Australia is Steve Irwin. Now that he's gone place can be nuked off the face of the planet

 

[Butwhythough]

Lmaooo get fucked Australia!

 

[Open Window Maniac]

The only good thing that ever came from Australia is Steve Irwin. Now that he's gone place can be nuked off the face of the planet

I remember being so upset when Steven Irwin died. Kid me loved him to pieces. To get back on topic, Australia can go fuck itself with a rusty flag pole.

 

[TV's Adam West]

Australia isn't real.

 

[Ophelia]

The only good thing that ever came from Australia is Steve Irwin. Now that he's gone place can be nuked off the face of the planet

Mad Max is pretty cool.

What a fucking joke of a country. I used to think they were based.

 

[UncleFezziesPantsPuppet]

Lol Australia.

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

Australia isn't real.

Imagine if he replied with that.

The manifesto is important to help recognize how these fucktards act, think and become autistic recluses, too. Censoring it is censoring newsworthy facts.

These fuckers need to be mocked especially when they fail but even when they succeed. These dumb kids want infamy. If we mock a lot of the shooters it will help dissuade some but if we act scared it’ll only embolden the neets.

 

[Helvítis Túristi]

Why can't lawfags just write like normal human beings for fuck's sake. I swear to god, the entire notice could fit into a single page if they just went "Hey, these pages are bothering us, please take them down or we'll personally visit your house and fuck you in the ass and steal all your money". Instead they just keep going in circles talking about The Material™ for four pages and how your hands will literally fall off if you fail to comply

From null's streams at least for take downs for copyright, they have to list the links pertaining to content needing removing. Knowing full well the pedophiles in control of Australia's government and what they did over the last few years, it's written more to antagonize people.

 

[AmpleApricots]

Not to open a can of worms here but for the purposes of expressing the nature of free speech - would anyone on here find it disturbing if someone tried to ask a website to remove content relating to the rape and murder of a child?

It's different. For the record, I have not watched the video and I don't care to. I've spent the last ~30 years on the internet, have seen gore but I am also not an edgy teenager anymore and I have no wish to see people dying. I don't think anyone deserves to be murdered in cold blood like this and I honestly find it depressing that people would do such things. I certainly take no joy out of it. I know some people on this very forum probably do, for whatever twisted reasons.

That video is a historical document in a way though, as raw and brutal as it is. You cannot allow governmental bodies like the one of australia to censor reality, reality that is also history, whether they like it or not. It's understandable under some "think of the children" pretext maybe to censor something like this and some would be willing to play along but - if you allow this, what information is "acceptable" and what is not? Why should somebody get to decide that? What gets memory-holed next? It's a slippery slope and no government should hold that kind of power. The reasoning to take such things down is faulty anyways. The video of a shooting will not turn you into a shooter/neonazi/whatever. I'd even go as far as to say that the viscal, brutal reality of what happens in such an event might discourage people who might've had a more "romantic" and "hollywood-like" view, as twisted as that sounds.

Child porn is something entirely else. It has no value and doesn't really document anything besides the actions of sick people. It's not worth protecting beyond as documentation for law enforcement so that they can bring these people to justice. Funnily, law enforcement in general seems to care a lot less about taking child porn down than about taking videos like this down. Tells you where the priorities lie.

 

[Andrew Neiman]

This is a kangaroo court!

 

[Cats]

 

[RollerGator]

Why do they feel that their laws apply to people who don't live there?

 

[Hollywood Hitler]

It's a shame the shooting happened in Buffalo instead of Melbourne.

 

[Lol4loko]

We joke about censorship in the US but the Aussies are the true villains imo. They have it way worse.

 

[Incorrect Password]

AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE OI OI OI

 

[Andrew Neiman]

I'd argue that the problem with CP is the market it creates for it, which leads to more illegal activity.
While acts of terror and gorevids don't seem to create a new black market for people to be incentivised to commit more terrorism.

This material can motivate new acts of terror — after all, Payton Gendron was trying to emulate Brenton Tarrant.

I’m not arguing in favor of banning Gendron’s retard manifesto or the video; just making a point.