Community Munchausen's by Internet (Malingerers, Munchies, Spoonies, etc) - Feigning Illnesses for Attention

[Mustard on the cob]

More on Layla and mommy dearest

Still trying to figure them and their weird dynamics out.

3/11: First a boring Video were they both thank their followers for joining the live they had last night. Followed a few hours later by a video of Layla sitting on the toilet (pants up luckily) filmed by mom while dad is fumbling around in the background. Layla cracks a few stupid teenage jokes , Stevie explains that it distracts her from the pain. Then Layla Fangirls over two Tourette’s tiktokers (haven’t looked into them but one is mommy managed too),Layla asks for her crutches and Stevie films her foot which is "almost turning black".

Spoiler: Black foot

3/12: Mom is on duty this morning. She is Filming Layla on crutches with a blood pressure cuff around her arm from directly behind her. It took them 15 minutes to get to the bathroom . Stevie claims that Laylas hands got locked around the crutches.

3/13: Horrible day. Mom is cuddling in bed with daughter, cat visits them. Stevie claims that no one wants to manage her daughters POTS in a comment.

Spoiler

3/14: Layla manages to finish two mock exams. For this she received "a little gift to help with studying" aka one of those Laptop/IPad holders that I’m too incompetent too describe any further.

Spoiler: Gift

Can’t help feeling like mom is batshit crazy at this point. Well actually since I first saw her. Found the kids dad through the comments.

Spoiler: Dad

other than finding out that both kids seem to have coeliac disease, there isn’t anything particularly interesting to find here. Just regular dad content about cooking, his smoker and mixing alcoholic beverages .

3/15: Another bad day. Now Layla is hanging around in bed with her younger brother who’s showing her shit on his phone.

Spoiler: Bad day symptoms

3/16: More Hard days. Pic of Layla in the ER , they ended up there because of high pulse and chest pains. Released home a few hours later, doesn’t mention what tests were done and if/what they found anything.

3/17: Posts a draft from their little hospital excursion yesterday . Layla is eating a sandwich and able to joke around again, but can’t make a peace sign because she can’t move her hand enough?

3/18: Stevie excitedly reveals the (new) wheelchair they got for Layla and shows of all it’s functions and benefits.

Spoiler: Wheelchair Saga begins?

Two interesting things in the comments. First one I managed to loose the screen but someone was asking a question and in the answer Stevie claimed that they already asked for a wheelchair seven years ago but where told to not use one (starting to feel really bad for her daughter there but not because of what mommy might think).

Spoiler: Second Comment

Another mom whose daughter is also named Layla and who apparently has Tourette’s and mobility issues that doctors are "not interested to investigate "asks something about OT, in her answer Stevie reveals that she had a quarrel with their GP ?!?

 

[SaturnBeforeSunset]

Assorted Vickie shit! My word, she never changes. Never improves. Never gets better at lying. In one of the TikToks below, she straight up thinks she doesn’t have a thumbprint and that’s somehow proof of being a chimera? What a gift.

 

[Frog-Chomping Bat]

Assorted Vickie shit! My word, she never changes. Never improves. Never gets better at lying. In one of the TikToks below, she straight up thinks she doesn’t have a thumbprint and that’s somehow proof of being a chimera? What a gift.

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No one tell her that, while having no fingerprints is a real but incredibly rare thing, it is apparently not associated with any other health problems. Something tells me munchies avoid the “no associated health issues” types of disorders like vampires avoid crosses.

 

[HerbertWest]

Eh, besides the “not absorbing nutrition “ thing , all that stuff Victoria is describing in her tik tok are symptoms of anxiety or panic attack.

 

[CorteXY]

Assorted Vickie shit! My word, she never changes. Never improves. Never gets better at lying. In one of the TikToks below, she straight up thinks she doesn’t have a thumbprint and that’s somehow proof of being a chimera? What a gift.

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Let's get to some diagnosing, shall we?

1. Pain
= fat
2. BP issues
= fat
3. High heart rate
= fat
4. Nausea
= fat
5. Impending doom
= stop being FAT and tying your laces won't be so frightening
6. MCAS reaction
= it's spelt 'Maccas', you tubby swine
7. Numbness
= neuropathy, secondary to likely diabetes, complicating FAT
8. Oxygen dips
= first it was ranch, then bleu, now 02 - what won't these fat fucks smother their veggies in?
9. Not absorbing nutrition
= try chewing your food, Buttercup
10. Weakness
= probable, but not definitive, FAT
11. Muscle tightening
= that's called swallowing
12. Seizures
= it's spelt 'Caesar' salad, but close enough
13. Pheo headache
= complications of, you guessed, FAT

3/10 - do not pass go - do not collect $200 - KYS.

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

lol fat.

 

[not124get]

I superfluously love this about Kiley. I'll always have a soft spot for her because the absurdity of a fucking Rottweiler named fucking Rommel was enough to make me stop lurking here.

Hello fellow Kiley aficionado. Thomas you reminded me of two things.
1. One of her Reddit handles has superfluously in it. The exact word combo escapes me but it was used similarly to how you've described.
2. The Rottweiler is named General Rommel, not even just Rommel. Hate laughing is a real thing. Enjoy!

Spoiler: General Rommel service dog note

Spoiler: General Rommel rabies vaccination

To the three farm members who remember her, I have a superfluous amount of ramblings from Kiley because yours truly got back into the cult group. Kiley posted a lot in 2020 but mostly stopped until recently. I have tried, but cannot make sense of or order all of the older posts. Screen grabs from the group are attached with a couple marks and crops to prevent doxing of innocents. Her newer posts are long. This is my best effort at summarizing what I've gleaned in the group. tl: dr:

Kiley says Sandy's income turned to dust when she was fired from her very long medical position in early 2018 (but wouldn't learn that until much later). Sandy was over 63 years old when fired and was ineligible to retire from her employer due to being let go. I cannot imagine what a devastating, earth-shattering blow that was to Sandy. She thought she'd retire comfortably from Catholic Health Initiatives (CHI) but instead has to survive on SSI after decades as an operations director level healthcare worker.

Sandy found a like-minded individual in Matt, and together they plotted an elaborate scheme to injure Kiley in such a way that they could sue CVS pharmacy as the responsible party for her injuries. (Kiley won two personal injury settlements under Sandy's care.)

Spoiler: E-mails between Sandy and Matt

Spoiler: E-mails between Sandy and Matt

Spoiler: E-mails between Sandy and Matt

Spoiler: E-mails between Sandy and Matt

Spoiler: E-mails between Sandy and Matt

Spoiler: E-mails between Sandy and Matt

At Matt's in FL, Kiley started to feel unwell but explained it away to herself each time. She still skips over huge parts of her own story,.. Then burns her hands pretty badly in April 2018. It is surprising she didn't need skin grafts. There is a good amount of tissue missing but no bone visible or anything.

Spoiler: Boiled charred thumb initial injury

Spoiler: Boiled thumb swelling

Spoiler: Boiled thumb blistering

Spoiler: Boiled thumb at hand surgeon

Spoiler: Boiled thumb at hand surgeon

Kiley posted pics of Sandy's phone showing Matt and Sandy exchanging e-mails crafting a story for future personal injury attorneys. Matt hunted down a bunch of pharmacy and manufacturing people trying to "prove" Kiley's medications were tampered at CVS pharmacy making them to blame for her burns. Matt and Sandy also drafted letters for Kiley's general practitioner "Dr. Margarita" to sign and planned Sandy's in person visits as Kiley's proxy with Dr. Margarita. The medications in the CVS pharmacy bottle were vicoprofen and carisoprodol, two medications Kiley was prescribed in Nebraska. She dropped the vicoprofen before moving to Florida, but the leftover stock of pills remained with Sandy. Sandy is allergic to ibuprofen and Kiley is allergic to acetaminophen, so Sandy could never take the exact prescription Kiley got. Matt is a hacker by profession and hobby, so Kiley has speculated it would have been just as easy for Matt to buy the pills off the dark web as it would be for Sandy to mail him some of the old stock. I bet Sandy shipped the vicoprofen to Matt knowing it won't actually  kill Kiley even if it messes her up enough to  injure her. Kiley did not get injuries in the past when I followed her, she was always really active, and surely had a tolerance built up, so I think Matt  had to be dosing her.

Spoiler: More Sandy and Matt e-mails

Spoiler: More Sandy and Matt e-mails

Spoiler: Still more Sandy and Matt e-mails

Spoiler: Sandy and Matt e-mails

Kiley's injuries and illnesses piled up in Florida and Sandy rejected her return. By the time Matt/Sandy let Kiley go back to Nebraska in August 2018, she had been treated in the ED in St. Petersburg and needed a wheelchair transport at the airport.

Spoiler: Kiley after St. Petersburg ED 8/2018

Kiley and Rommel flew back to Omaha and the next morning, Sandy took her to Dr. Margarita's private office. There, Kiley started crashing. 911 was called and an ambulance arrived, EMTs stabilized her, and then rushed her to the ED. Really skelly and said her veins were almost empty (hypovolemia?). They poked her up pretty good, I'll post arm pics if I can find them.

Spoiler: Kiley 1000 yard stare in Omaha ED 8/2018

Spoiler: Rommel in the ED eyebleach

The hospital is one from Sandy's career and wanted to admit Kiley for observation and potential testing. The day before, John thought Kiley developed some kind of aggressive cancer to explain her appearance. In the ED, Sandy knew much of the staff and explained how they just came from the doctor's office, the doctor they know would be ordering testing, and the hospital doesn't need to admit her. Sandy promised to medically monitor Kiley and return to the ED if she worsened.

This would be the right time to introduce another character to this shitshow that goes on to play a larger part. He had been in the background talking to Kiley throughout her Florida adventure, but Nicholas Wallace, half Matt's age and the loner Nebraska boyfriend, comes into play when she returns.

Spoiler: Nick the boy

When she flew back to Omaha, John and Nick met her at the airport. Sandy and Nick began taking shifts caring for Kiley. I remember Nick being all over her IG for awhile then just disappearing. Nick seems like he was the Nebraska boyfriend in waiting and Matt is the Florida boyfriend she's trying to leave. The males both seem to know this about each other but both try to stay with her and fight each other. It is very fucking weird.

Kiley skips over her few really skinny months with Sandy and Nick and blames Sandy for a few interesting things.

A couple years after her poisoning "captivity" as she calls it, Kiley asked Sandy point blank what the doctor said about her poisoning diagnosis. Sandy reply leaves many more questions than answers.

Spoiler: Sandy: "doctors didn't think (Kiley) would survive"

Sandy told Kiley that her doctor's former colleagues with toxicology experience said they did not think Kiley would survive and "that there was no cure." It would seem fairly easy to ask the doctor if she told Sandy that Kiley was dying and there was nothing they could do. I cannot see any doctor saying that about such a young and previously healthy patient. Dr. Margarita charted months later that Kiley had "delusions of heavy metal poisoning." If Sandy was still forcing weekly heavy metal blood tests on Very Skelly Kiley months later and denying everything else, it makes sense why Kiley attributed her physical state to "heavy metal poisoning" and why the doctor thought it's crazy to believe private laboratory tests no doctor is ordering or even suggesting.

Spoiler: Sandy blames "the system" for canceling Kiley's care

Kiley establishes Sandy as a highly experienced carer and accuses her of playing dumb and inappropriately blaming Dr. Margarita for why she was denied care. Sandy is way too experienced with healthcare systems, insurance, and caregiving to be so clueless.

Spoiler: Sandy texts

During that time, Kiley and Nick were operating an Airbnb under Sandy's name with Kiley in the 65 pound range. After a couple months, Nick got sick of caring for Kiley, but was unemployed and basically living with and surviving through her. Nick sounds almost as insufferable as Kiley, but he chose to stay seemingly to not have to adult. Sandy paid thousands of dollars to laboratory test items Matt mailed to Kiley which (surprise!) came back poisoned. Kiley says when she stopped talking to Matt after the laboratory results and Nick provided protection for her when Matt started to fly into Omaha and look for her and Sandy.

When Kiley eventually started gaining weight by the end of 2018, she says Sandy made her file a protection order against Matt. She also describes Nick as increasingly controlling. Nick also filed a protection order against Matt, which entitled Nick to receive services at the women's shelter with Kiley. Kiley says she was never allowed to be alone at a domestic abuse specialist organization, which I have a hard time believing. She only gives showing up where Nick also stayed and harassing him through Airbnb as reasons for Nick's protection order. Sandy never filed one.

Kiley says filing the protection order brought about a brief attempted murder investigation by Omaha's police department in which Sandy kept the investigating detectives from seeing or talking to her, but handed them the proven poisoned items. She says Matt was interviewed and charmed a female domestic abuse specialist detective. (That particular detective also comes up later in her story.)

 

[Vegetamite]

What an absolute wall of text.

 

[JackDonaghysSecretLover]

Jesus Christ @not124get learn how to use a spoiler

 

[Thomas Eugene Paris]

@not124get, your post is great and a fellow Kiley hater is always a friend of mine. Just a couple suggestions, though: in addition to using the spoiler feature, you should insert the images as thumbnails or they take up a ton of space and Null gets mad.

That's a lot to chew on. What I don't understand is how her doctor landed on "heavy metal poisoning" as a possibility. Did Sandy suggest ordering a blood test? If so, I wonder why. It seems like that would make someone suspicious.

The story about Walgreens giving Kiley a bottle of pills that was a combination of Soma and Vicodin, so she wasn't able to get a refill of her Valium, is hilarious. I guarantee that did not happen. It's blatant drug-seeking and I guarantee the pharmacist and probably her doctor were on to her.

A lot of her and her mother's writing reads like delusions of persecution. I wonder if they've got a bit of folie a deux going on. Very strange.

I still can't get over the Rottweiler named General Rommel. I guess her circle is too fucking braindead to realize that the name is in incredibly poor taste, because you know that if someone did say anything negative about it, she would be all over them on social media.

 

[Reddit Refugee]

The BBC seems to have featured a few of the Ehlers-Danlos plus community lately. Whilst I have no interest in delving deeper to see to what extent these in-the-media zebras are munching, these two articles caught my eye.

1. Rachel shares her chronic illness journey with her regional news @myjourneythroughchronicillness. This one made me laugh because somehow a video of her gagging on pills she says she takes daily made the cut. Also journeys to an osteopath appointment. Her instagram is just long paragraphs and black-white letter boards with chronic illness fun facts. I can't be bothered to read the paragraphed captions. She seems to enjoy her media appearances, having had multiple.

Spoiler: ✨My diagnoses✨

Asthma - diagnosed in March 2019.
Fibromyalgia - diagnosed in August 2019.
Hypermobility- diagnosed in February 2020.
Spinal cyst - discovered in June 2020.
PoTS - diagnosed in February 2021.
Hiatus Hernia - discovered in May 2021.
Cobalamin Deficiency - never told, but found diagnosis in July 2021.
Undiagnosed spine & hip issues.
Undiagnosed cause of dysphagia.
Suspected Ehlers Danlos Syndrome (EDS).

also claims lactose intolerance elsewhere

2. Can a munchie a medic make? As an addendum to my last post about Alexandra where I explore munchies entering medicine I share this article about an autistic, dyspraxic, Ehlers-Danlos-ic, FND-ic veterinary surgeon. Where the human interaction factors of medicine makes it quite autism unfriendly, I see why someone with genuine autism would venture down the vet route. The stuff studied is pretty similar to human medicine and can still satisfy the hobby of learning which medical disorders to fabricate without the dread of interacting with people sicker than you. I imagine a private veterinary practice is much easier to navigate as a wheelchair user than an NHS ward too. Not sure about the mechanics of wrestling an unhappy cat on the examination table, but whatever, sure, she made it through her degree so I'd probably trust her enough to treat mine, hypothetically (as opposed to letting Alexandra near me as a patient due to high risk of our interaction inspiring an awkwardly fictional twitter fable). No social media presence that told me more about her, just that she's offering freestyle libre glucose sensors to dogs. There is, or at least has been, a shortage of these for humans.

These two seem to be from the same region so I wonder if there's a munchie local journalist at the beebs churning these stories out or setting a quota for EDS stories. It's without fail. Every disability/health article I see. I can guarantee almost before I click that they've got one or more of the munchie trifecta. It's becoming much more common, and you wouldn't have seen it 5-10 years ago, but they're being produced at a rampant frequency now. Please let's go back to cancer and covid sob stories.

edit: sigh. Just registered the pictures on the Kiah Hann article and feel her wheelchair monstrosity is worth including. I have to wonder who is responsible for it if she's functionally paraplegic herself. Here's one of Rachel too for good measure.

 

[SaturnBeforeSunset]

In which Victoria doesn’t understand that some tiktok audios are meant to be sarcastic. Shitty dancing. Apparently checking this website! The works!! Oh glorious day!

 

[Quack_Quack]

Taking a look at the reporter in @Reddit Refugee 's post, he mainly seems to focus on human interest stories. I get the feeling that in these cases, or others like it, it's very common to go into a support group/sub-reddit to find a subject, or to focus on people who've sent emails to them previously - might not be from the subject themselves, but from people around them (colleagues, family, possibly sock puppets). He may also see them an an 'easy' story, just interview and get pics, and as they want to talk, it pours out with very little editing needed; just enough to make it coherent.

 

[UntitledKiwi]

In which Victoria doesn’t understand that some tiktok audios are meant to be sarcastic. Shitty dancing. Apparently checking this website! The works!! Oh glorious day!

I love that she does that whole weird ass dance to “Payphone” without, somehow, knowing the words to a song from 10 years ago (2012).

And then claim she needs a wheelchair in the next video.

 

[OrSoHelpMe]

In which Victoria doesn’t understand that some tiktok audios are meant to be sarcastic. Shitty dancing. Apparently checking this website! The works!! Oh glorious day!

What an adorable dog. She could get more engagement making a tik tok for him.

ETA: yes I sat through enough of the second video to see the dog.

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

I still can't get over the Rottweiler named General Rommel. I guess her circle is too fucking braindead to realize that the name is in incredibly poor taste, because you know that if someone did say anything negative about it, she would be all over them on social media.

The cycle will not be complete until we have a tranny with a Dr. Mengele service cat.

where I explore munchies entering medicine I share this article about an autistic, dyspraxic, Ehlers-Danlos-ic, FND-ic veterinary surgeon.

Can't wait to see how many animals she butchers. Dyspraxia means issues with motor skills to a disabling degree. That's the last person you want as a surgeon. And an autistic vet explaining why your dog needs to be put down... just asking for a punch in the face (autists are known for being insensitive).

Not sure about the mechanics of wrestling an unhappy cat on the examination table, but whatever, sure, she made it through her degree so I'd probably trust her enough to treat mine, hypothetically

Hard disagree. If I saw a potential vet describe themselves anywhere as "autistic and dyspraxic" I'd run so fucking fast, I'd qualify for cheetah vet care.

she's offering freestyle libre glucose sensors to dogs. There is, or at least has been, a shortage of these for humans.

Yes, excellent judgement that would make you feel secure a vulnerable living being was in good hands. Idiots like her are why human medical professionals don't take vet as seriously, when afaik it's just as educationally rigorous.

 

[Everything Beagle]

The cycle will not be complete until we have a tranny with a Dr. Mengele service cat.

Can't wait to see how many animals she butchers. Dyspraxia means issues with motor skills to a disabling degree. That's the last person you want as a surgeon. And an autistic vet explaining why your dog needs to be put down... just asking for a punch in the face (autists are known for being insensitive).

Hard disagree. If I saw a potential vet describe themselves anywhere as "autistic and dyspraxic" I'd run so fucking fast, I'd qualify for cheetah vet care.

Yes, excellent judgement that would make you feel secure a vulnerable living being was in good hands. Idiots like her are why human medical professionals don't take vet as seriously, when afaik it's just as educationally rigorous.

It's much harder to get into vet school, too, because there are far fewer vet schools than med schools. And I guess it's harder because with humans you only have to know how to treat one species - and they can usually tell you what hurts.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

It's much harder to get into vet school, too, because there are far fewer vet schools than med schools. And I guess it's harder because with humans you only have to know how to treat one species - and they can usually tell you what hurts.

Yeah, vet school is notoriously impossible to get into. On the flipside, you can't really get sued for accidentally killing Fluffy because there's no real financial damage to the plaintiff there. Unless Fluffy was a prize-winning steer or something.

 

[Sparkling Yuzu]

Yeah, vet school is notoriously impossible to get into. On the flipside, you can't really get sued for accidentally killing Fluffy because there's no real financial damage to the plaintiff there. Unless Fluffy was a prize-winning steer or something.

So is their malpractice insurance lower?

 

[eternal dog mongler]

So is their malpractice insurance lower?

Yeah, it's not even close.

$1m/$3m (which is $1m per case, $3m per year) for me working outpatient is about $12k a year.

When I worked in a hospital it was $40k. If touching a baby or a scalpel was part of my coverage then that gets into six figures immediately.

I just called an insurer pretending to be a vet who does dogs and cats only on the same limits and they quoted me $19 a month.