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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Volunteers of Hindu Sena, a right-wing organisation, took out a march in central Delhi’s Connaught Place on Sunday raising slogans in support of Russia.

Raising slogans like ‘Russia tum sangharsh karo, hum tumhare sath hain (Russia, you fight, we are with you)’, ‘Bharat Mata ki Jai’, and ‘Bharat-Russia Dosti Zindabad’, the volunteers marched for around an hour.

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Volunteers of Hindu Sena, a right-wing organisation, took out a march in central Delhi’s Connaught Place on Sunday raising slogans in support of Russia.

Raising slogans like ‘Russia tum sangharsh karo, hum tumhare sath hain (Russia, you fight, we are with you)’, ‘Bharat Mata ki Jai’, and ‘Bharat-Russia Dosti Zindabad’, the volunteers marched for around an hour.

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I had to look it up apparently the root cause of Indian butthurt:

However, Ukraine’s relationship with India was not at all rosy in the past as it is today. The ties between Ukraine and India has seen ups and downs, especially after India decided to go nuclear. It is important to remember that Ukraine was one of those countries that vehemently opposed India’s nuclear tests in 1998 and had condemned India’s actions at the security council following the 1998 nuclear test.

Ukraine is desperate for powerful friends as its ally, the United States of America neither enjoys global hegemony anymore nor commands respect from the rest of the world. Twenty-two years after taking a stand that contradicts India’s security and strategic objectives, Ukraine today wants India to stand behind them and talk to Russians to end the humiliation being meted out upon them.

I am sure this rag doesn't represent all of India, but they need to watch their bitch mouth writing checks their ass can't cash (this was from Feb 24th too, I bet Indians aren't hot about loosers anymore, as well as their hardware getting shit on.



lol, everyone who supports Pakis is a Nazi.
we personally think that India, rather than abstaining, should have voted in favour of Russia and put our boots on the ground to safeguard our citizens and support Russia against the fascist, racist Ukraine which has always supported Pakistan and had voted against our nuclear programme.”

Also, this article from March 7th, a lot of dead Russian bodies have floated down the Severskij Donetsk since those days. All I am saying, no one wants to support losers.
 

Volunteers of Hindu Sena, a right-wing organisation, took out a march in central Delhi’s Connaught Place on Sunday raising slogans in support of Russia.

Raising slogans like ‘Russia tum sangharsh karo, hum tumhare sath hain (Russia, you fight, we are with you)’, ‘Bharat Mata ki Jai’, and ‘Bharat-Russia Dosti Zindabad’, the volunteers marched for around an hour.

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If India is that eager to support Russia, let them. And let's see how their relationship with China affects that.

Russia is going to need China more than it needs India. And when it comes to a shooting war between the two, I'll bet Putin will have Xi's back.
 
An alliance between Russia, China and India would be tremendously powerful by simple weight of numbers alone, if it was capable of holding together for more than five minutes.
India would find itself short of a bunch of hardware they'd need to hold up their end of that military triad, though. They're poised to buy Apache, a bunch of fighter jets, missiles, and other shit from us. I think if they lined up with China and Rus they'd probably see all those deals called off.
 
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My main problem with mobilization being this mythical thing that would turn the tide is, what would they equip all those conscripts with? We've all seen pictures that show russians were already sending in rotting uniforms with rusting armor plates and sure, they probably have a shit ton of tanks and other combat vehicles in deep storage but A: using most of it effectively requires SOME training which takes time B: who knows how many of those engines will ever start again. The only thing that probably wouldn't be a massive issue is giving each conscript some variation of AK rifle and ammo.

Russia can declare mobilization and by the time they manage to plunder all of their storage for equipment and send in the first waves of untrained, low-morale conscripts armed to the teeth in surplus Red Army gear is about the time Ukrainians will be sending in theirs to the front lines with one major difference, Ukrainian conscripts will not only be better equipped, likely with NATO weapons and armor but also they will have had months of training by then and have sky-high morale by comparison.
During the German invasion of the Soviet Union, there was a difficulty in equipping soldiers, but as best i'm aware, it was a logistics issue. The matériel just wasn't where it was needed at that moment. It was resolved after a while. Now Russia cannot make essential parts and tools for its military industry. The Ural Dalesman sidecar motorbikes on Victory Day, as an example, unless these were restored antiques have long used European made parts, so Ducati ignition and Brembo brakes, among other things. Tanks, aircraft use European systems, and need machine tools from the same source. Maybe there's some old Mosin-Nagants about and some gun smiths can be given whatever alcohol and venison is needed to fuel their making of some more. Perhaps spears. Bows?

I think another issue is less Russians are willing to die for a potentate in a golden palace. Hopefully they mutiny. This helped in the past.
 
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Volunteers of Hindu Sena, a right-wing organisation, took out a march in central Delhi’s Connaught Place on Sunday raising slogans in support of Russia.

Raising slogans like ‘Russia tum sangharsh karo, hum tumhare sath hain (Russia, you fight, we are with you)’, ‘Bharat Mata ki Jai’, and ‘Bharat-Russia Dosti Zindabad’, the volunteers marched for around an hour.

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India is weird because the current ruling (popular) politics....are just so crazy even QAnon shits are nothing compared to what these Pajeets believe in. Seriously, look up "Hindutva", it's basically what would happen when "We Wuz Kang" and/or Hotep gained control of a government. Absolute lunacy

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And this is also not counting their media who always have to make sensationalist and bombastic shits just to make people watch them. Look up the Burari Death documentary on Netflix if you want to know just how dogshit Indian media are. If you think Western MSM is bad, you haven't seen anything yet
 
India is weird because the current ruling (popular) politics....are just so crazy even QAnon shits are nothing compared to what these Pajeets believe in. Seriously, look up "Hindutva", it's basically what would happen when "We Wuz Kang" and/or Hotep gained control of a government. Absolute lunacy

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And this is also not counting their media who always have to make sensationalist and bombastic shits just to make people watch them. Look up the Burari Death documentary on Netflix if you want to know just how dogshit Indian media are. If you think Western MSM is bad, you haven't seen anything yet
I remember dipping my toes into Indian media after a Pakistani F-16 shot down some Indian MiG-21 a few years ago. Indian nationalists were absolutely coping and seething and putting out shit that was beyond Russia-tier disinfo claiming their downed pilot had actually shot down the F-16. No evidence ever came out that Pakistan lost an F-16, yet they will still assert so to this day. Honestly the Indian media environment seems like a hellworld to live in. Screaming matches seem like an expected and regular part of the shows.
 
I've seen comparisons to Afghanistan before, but they never made sense. Ukraine has national identity and history that makes them very motivated when it comes to Russia trying to erase them.
It might be noted as a mark how Russia has regressed is how the Soviet backed Democratic Republic of Afghanistan held on after Soviet withdrawal in 1989 and even a little while longer after the Soviet Union fell and Yeltsin ended aid. The Aghansty seemed to have had higher morale and level of skill in contrast to the Russians in Ukraine. Their post Soviet tanks seem to have a disproportionate place in verified lists of tank losses (like Oryx, phone posting so no link) even though Russia focusses on the T-72 variants for reasons of economy.
 
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so some are still holding out of Azovstal?

I thought this had ended with an ordered conditional surrender of sorts. Dunno.

Yes, I've pointed this out several times, the 263 were the wounded only. 51 in need of critical medical supplies and the remainder lighter wounded or non-combat effective.

I did some poking around at what Russia had in stored equipment and make some rough guesses when this idea was first kicked around. I figure best case they could mobilize 500k more. 350k in mostly equipped BTGs and 150k in lightly armed rear units doing logistics and security. This would strip everything bare. That's what the best case "red wave" could bring to the table. I think the Ukrainians could match it with foreign equipment and assistance. But that's pretty iffy.

However, the more I thought about it that is not a very good way to look at it. It's an assumption that they could do absolutely everything all at once and smash into each other. But that isn't how wars are fought. You can't go 0-60 like that. There isn't enough resources to process that amount of people that quickly. It would instead be just an expansion of the already in place training and equipping systems they have now. Going from processing 60k conscripts every 6 months to 120k in 3 months or something. That's the thing that is hard to get a handle on.

Absolute minimum the Russians can have a tank battallion up and running in 3 months. And we've seen the dogshit tier of their tankists in this war compared to even the "lesser" tankers and vehicle crews on the Ukranian side. You can arm and send out a soldier in about 12 weeks. Meaning we will definitely begin to see the first new units formed in the next few weeks appearing on the battlefield. We've likely seen the lead elements of those around Kharkiv and Kherson.

International Volunteers (Of which around 16,000 had supposedly at least expressed an interest) is far quicker and they're generally only taking people with military experience regardless of age. When you arrive for that, they begin by kitting you out, issue you a rifle, check you know how to properly load, knock the safety off, fire, select fire and prove if you can strip your AK74 (They're generally watching for you to fuck up a piece of sprung metal and the return rod spring when taking off the cover) before issuing that weapon to you.

Those who are older/military experience isn't as new find themselves manning checkpoints and checking papers and your main job is probably freeing up people to do other things and are mixed in with a few locals for language purpose.

Those with more recent military experience/specific specialisations are sent off to various Territorial Units like the American guy who's been all over ticktock posing near burnt out russian vehicles while whooping and hollering.
 
Absolute minimum the Russians can have a tank battallion up and running in 3 months.
That wouldn't be enough to replace losses. They lost a whole BTG just trying to cross the Seversky Donets the other day. I don't think there is going to be this multiplying of Russian formations if they go all in. They are too far in the hole. It's going to take a long time just to bring existing units back up to strength.
International Volunteers (Of which around 16,000 had supposedly at least expressed an interest) is far quicker and they're generally only taking people with military experience regardless of age.
I have yet to see any of these Russian volunteers despite all the fanfare. The 16000 Syrians or whatever. They have Wagner which is essentially their foreign unit and that's it. I won't change my mind until shown proof otherwise.
Those with more recent military experience/specific specialisations are sent off to various Territorial Units like the American guy who's been all over ticktock posing near burnt out russian vehicles while whooping and hollering.
The Ukrainian foreign volunteers are suspect at best. I think a few units even disbanded as the Ukrainian government started cracking down on freebooters and unifying command (same with the Right Sector units). James Vasquez, the guy I think you are talking about, is headed home right now. I'm sure something will remain of it but I don't think they did a whole lot militarily besides draw in foreign support and funding. Gucci TDF units without structure, essentially.
 
That wouldn't be enough to replace losses. They lost a whole BTG just trying to cross the Seversky Donets the other day. I don't think there is going to be this multiplying of Russian formations if they go all in. They are too far in the hole. It's going to take a long time just to bring existing units back up to strength.

I have yet to see any of these Russian volunteers despite all the fanfare. The 16000 Syrians or whatever. They have Wagner which is essentially their foreign unit and that's it. I won't change my mind until shown proof otherwise.

The Ukrainian foreign volunteers are suspect at best. I think a few units even disbanded as the Ukrainian government started cracking down on freebooters and unifying command (same with the Right Sector units). James Vasquez, the guy I think you are talking about, is headed home right now. I'm sure something will remain of it but I don't think they did a whole lot militarily besides draw in foreign support and funding. Gucci TDF units without structure, essentially.
the only worthwhile ukr volunteers are the one who joined way before the war and have been training and fighting as part of azov for years
the recent ones who joined in reaction to the ukraine hype in the western media seem rather worthless
 
the only worthwhile ukr volunteers are the one who joined way before the war and have been training and fighting as part of azov for years
the recent ones who joined in reaction to the ukraine hype in the western media seem rather worthless
The important thing is that they started a conversation.

For real though, I bet the volunteers will be a good source of milk in the next few months. Either they'll be flexing about their three days on guard duty in western ukraine (which they'll decide makes them better than the chuds and haters ant whatnot), or they'll be lying about what they got up to, in easily-uncovered ways. Most of those that actually made a difference, or saw real combat, will probably be quiet.
 
A single border skirmish between China and India, and such an alliance will collapse rather easily.
PRC and India fought a war in 1962 and India claims land taken by the Chinese during that war and subsequent border skirmishes and aggressions (like setting up forces in places not clearly delineated on the map to the benefit of the Chinese and vice versa to some degree). The Red Chinese are also a longtime friend of Pakistan, so any sort of coalition would be doomed to fail. India, despite its non aligned status during the Cold War, had close relations with the Soviet Union. At the state level I see various leaders eying the other warily for whatever advantage can be got, not a basis for friendship.
 
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