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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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the only worthwhile ukr volunteers are the one who joined way before the war and have been training and fighting as part of azov for years
Yeah I dunno about that. Azov isn't a foreign legion type outfit and hasn't taken foreigners since 2019. Some UVC/UVA units have a decent amount of foreigners in them. Georgians, Chechens, and the other oddball anti-russians. Is that who you are you thinking of?
 
That wouldn't be enough to replace losses. They lost a whole BTG just trying to cross the Seversky Donets the other day. I don't think there is going to be this multiplying of Russian formations if they go all in. They are too far in the hole. It's going to take a long time just to bring existing units back up to strength.

Yes, meaning it's 3 months before you'd see actual replacements to the losses. They can get a Tank unit up and running, not have enough training about to do just one.

I have yet to see any of these Russian volunteers despite all the fanfare. The 16000 Syrians or whatever. They have Wagner which is essentially their foreign unit and that's it. I won't change my mind until shown proof otherwise.

I was on about Ukranian ones, the Russians claiming these tens of thousands were going to turn up and absolutely fuck all has happened. Mainly because of the closing of airspace corridors to let these guys get out there and they can't go in via the Bosphorous because the Turks would just go "LMAO, no."

The Ukrainian foreign volunteers are suspect at best. I think a few units even disbanded as the Ukrainian government started cracking down on freebooters and unifying command (same with the Right Sector units). James Vasquez, the guy I think you are talking about, is headed home right now. I'm sure something will remain of it but I don't think they did a whole lot militarily besides draw in foreign support and funding. Gucci TDF units without structure, essentially.

Command was always going to be unified. The "Contract for 3 years" was likely a russian bullshit operation as there seems to be little real holding people there and the look of the Ukranians desperately holding hostages is hardly the best. There's likely a mix, as there needs to be more than one local in the unit to handle translation and communication duties. Its likely many foreign legionarries are embedded with other TDF units as opposed to operating as its own weird internationale brigade.

The Canadians seem to be running a big part of the show, with a reported 550 or more in their own unit. We simply wont hear about many exploits until long after the war most likely as all foreign legionarries were made to tighten opsec after the Yavoriv Base Attack.
 
Its likely many foreign legionarries are embedded with other TDF units as opposed to operating as its own weird internationale brigade.

The Canadians seem to be running a big part of the show, with a reported 550 or more in their own unit. We simply wont hear about many exploits until long after the war most likely as all foreign legionarries were made to tighten opsec after the Yavoriv Base Attack.
It would make the most sense to embed volunteers in TDF, at the very least due to the fact that they're on the unfamiliar territory and would need locals to help them adjust and learn what they need.

Canadians make sense, Canada has the second largest diaspora of Ukrainians after Russia. Wouldn't be surprised if majority of volunteers comes from immigrant families.
 
It would make the most sense to embed volunteers in TDF, at the very least due to the fact that they're on the unfamiliar territory and would need locals to help them adjust and learn what they need.

Canadians make sense, Canada has the second largest diaspora of Ukrainians after Russia. Wouldn't be surprised if majority of volunteers comes from immigrant families.

To further add to it as well, the Ukranians realised a whole slew of countries technically have laws on the books which strip the citizenship of people volunteering for a foreign fighting body or expedition not under the command of their home nation, so a lot of the International guys work will likely go unreported to protect them. The UK technically has such laws on the books but the last time we used it on anyone was all the way back in 1895. So unless somehow some wal-eyed bugman Russian cock sucking loon somehow gets elected to become Prime Minister (And neither of the likely future PMs are such) then most folks should be fine.
 
A single border skirmish between China and India, and such an alliance will collapse rather easily.
PRC and India fought a war in 1962 and India claims land taken by the Chinese during that war and subsequent border skirmishes and aggressions (like setting up forces in places not clearly delineated on the map to the benefit of the Chinese and vice versa to some degree). The Red Chinese are also a longtime friend of Pakistan, so any sort of coalition would be doomed to fail. India, despite its non aligned status during the Cold War, had close relations with the Soviet Union. At the state level I see various leaders eying the other warily for whatever advantage can be got, not a basis for friendship.

PRC will eat the Russian far east eventually, at least via 'century of humiliation' style concession, which has to be a fine irony for Charlie Chang.

That wouldn't be enough to replace losses. They lost a whole BTG just trying to cross the Seversky Donets the other day. I don't think there is going to be this multiplying of Russian formations if they go all in. They are too far in the hole. It's going to take a long time just to bring existing units back up to strength.

I have yet to see any of these Russian volunteers despite all the fanfare. The 16000 Syrians or whatever. They have Wagner which is essentially their foreign unit and that's it. I won't change my mind until shown proof otherwise.

The Ukrainian foreign volunteers are suspect at best. I think a few units even disbanded as the Ukrainian government started cracking down on freebooters and unifying command (same with the Right Sector units). James Vasquez, the guy I think you are talking about, is headed home right now. I'm sure something will remain of it but I don't think they did a whole lot militarily besides draw in foreign support and funding. Gucci TDF units without structure, essentially.
The Georgian Legion seem to be the most serious foreign contingent, active there since 2014 and this war is of a piece with Putin's grab of S. Ossetia.
 
Yeah I dunno about that. Azov isn't a foreign legion type outfit and hasn't taken foreigners since 2019. Some UVC/UVA units have a decent amount of foreigners in them. Georgians, Chechens, and the other oddball anti-russians. Is that who you are you thinking of?
yeah im thinking of guys like the croat volunteers who joined azov all the way back in 2015 to fight against russians in donbas, back when it was more of a low profile war that not many people outside ukraine really cared about, so the only dudes who signed up were serious militants with a death wish, not reddit retards who jumped on the hype train because the large media propaganda wave in 2022 made them think that defending democracy against putler would be heckin wholesome
 
India is weird because the current ruling (popular) politics....are just so crazy even QAnon shits are nothing compared to what these Pajeets believe in. Seriously, look up "Hindutva", it's basically what would happen when "We Wuz Kang" and/or Hotep gained control of a government. Absolute lunacy
You are talking with the number one Hindutva dick sucker. We wuz Aryans as a passionately call it in bed during casual sex.

Also this thread is again full of pigs into hardcore sports copium
 
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You are talking with the number one Hindutva dick sucker. We wuz Aryans as a passionately call it in bed during casual sex.

Also this thread is again full of pigs into hardcore sports copium
That's rich, coping is the only thing Russians and their simps have proven to be remotely good at. From talking mad shit about how Kyiv was going to fall in hours to whatever the goalposts have been moved to now.
 
That's rich, coping is the only thing Russians and their simps have proven to be remotely good at. From talking mad shit about how Kyiv was going to fall in hours to whatever the goalposts have been moved to now.
I'm no fan of russia and I was doomposting elsewhere that it's going to fall in a week at most. Kiev falling within days seemed to be a global consensus.

Hell, I believed there's no way Mariupol is going to hold out as long as it did. If Ukrainians keep going to subvert my expectations they're going to take back Crimea by september.

Though, I kinda have to ask, what would people in this thread be even coping with? This thread has become "Laugh at Russia General" Is it maybe something like "The sanctions are totally working guys!" when they're not?

The fuck they're not, russia is demanding lifting of sanctions for re-opening Ukraine's ports and allowing them to ship grain, like a fucking terrorist state they are, but they're definitely doing it because sanctions are making them stronger.

I just... Idk, I know people like themselves some underdog to simp for but russia isn't an underdog, it's a rabid dog that was drooling like a crazy moron long before it got rabies.
 
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I'm no fan of russia and I was doomposting elsewhere that it's going to fall in a week at most. Hell, Kiev falling within days seemed to be a global consensus.

Hell, I believed there's no way Mariupol is going to hold out as long as it did. If Ukrainians keep going to subvert my expectations they're going to take back Crimea by september.

Though, I kinda have to ask, what would people in this thread be even coping with? This thread has become "Laugh at Russia General" Is it maybe something like "The sanctions are totally working guys!" when they're not?

The fuck they're not, russia is demanding lifting of sanctions for re-opening Ukraine's ports and allowing them to ship grain, like a fucking terrorist state they are, but they're definitely doing it because sanctions are making them stronger.

I just... Idk, I know people like themselves some underdog to simp for but russia isn't an underdog, it's a rabid dog that was drooling like a crazy moron before it got rabies.
I thought the same too, not because I was overawed by Russia's military might but because before the war I had an even lower opinion of Ukraine's armed forces and thought they would collapse in a month. This entire conflict has been me constantly surprised at just how incompetent Russia is and the mental gymnastics their supporters will go to to excuse away that incompetence.
 
I'm no fan of russia and I was doomposting elsewhere that it's going to fall in a week at most. Kiev falling within days seemed to be a global consensus.

We're slowly seeing the vague picture issued by various people in the now clearly overstaffed (and too propaganda prone) Russian Desks of many Western Intel agencies.

Their assessment was very very outdated. Quite a few portions of the Ukranian military melted away in 2014, if not outright switching sides to the point its now beleived quite a few of Russias "Little Green Men" in places such as Donbas and Crimea were also a few ukranian units reactivating themselves due to being ethnically Russian and unhappy with the loss of prestige that the new western turn was giving them.

But most of them are probably dead by now considering the scraping of any able (and not so able) bodied men from the "republics", so not really a problem.

Recent debacles in Iraq and Afghanistan in which years of training had been poured into those national armies led to said organisations either hopelessly tribalising, or falling apart without a US or UK officer somewhere vaguely nearby (see the fighting retreat from Mosul during ISIS' rise) or were never built properly to begin with, with US construction of the Afghan National Army relying far too much on Northern Alliance Tribal chiefs and giving them cushy positions which was never sustainable.

What we'd actually seen was a quiet and giant revolution over the past eight years which is quite remarkable. The Ukranians transitioned from a conscripted to professional all volunteer army and pinwheeled away from traditional russian derived tactics to more western logistics pulling tactics and better training.

Various groups were unified and otherwise merged to simplify the command structure (The National Guard has the same administrative zones as the Ukranian Military proper to ensure liasing is simplified) and previous freebooting units such as Azov where instead turned from poacher to gamekeepers.

While corruption remained, it seems the Russo-Ukranian war has had the added benefit of flushing the bastards out into the open, with them either running off with the money (and caught) or simply fucking off when they thought it was all doom and gloom to begin with and probably a slew of warrents will be issued post-war to hunt them out.

Ontop of all of this, the Ukranians already have a strong national identity which runs back to 1917 and is well over a century old by this point, their current bout of existance as a distinct nation and people is well over 30 years old by this point meaning there's plenty of people about to which the USSR was either a distant memory, or never existed to them outside of stories from elders and history books.

We're getting a degree of hindsight out of all of this, but the Russian Military and FSB has done a very good job at fooling the west's intelligence agencies in overstating the combat effectiveness and lethality of their military against a modern integrated force using either equivalent or more modern weaponry.

As a friend of mine said who's serving. "We used to be terrified of the Russians. We're not now. Not even remotely."
 
During the German invasion of the Soviet Union, there was a difficulty in equipping soldiers, but as best i'm aware, it was a logistics issue.

Soviet Union had excess of manpower but dire shortage of everything else, from literally raw materials to steel to machinery and tools. Also basic food, blankets, shoes ...

By lend-lease US and allies supplied 257 723 498 buttons for Soviet uniforms, down to buttons, not 499 or 497, 498.

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Significance of Lend Lease has been downplayed and erased in Soviet Union and then in Russia, Putin saying that even without Western help they would still win, even without Ukrainians and Khazakhs and everyone else, because Russia uber alles.

I know that Soviets issued uniforms from dead men, simply washed and issued to new recruits. In one memoirs, a conscript from Far East said that during their training they had very little to nothing to eat as food was all sent to front lines and it's been a long wait to get equipped and sent to fight, where conditions were far better food wise. Their training camp was more like concentration camp for conscripts.



Soviet Red Army prior to Barbarossa, was bigger and better equipped than Nazi Germany. Also, most warehouses were massed on the border and were overtaken by Nazis or destroyed in the first few weeks, which leads to a lot of speculations as to Stalin's plans and timing of those plans. Also, hundreds of thousands of Soviet soldiers surrendered in the first months of the invasion, completely overwhelming Germans.
 
You are talking with the number one Hindutva dick sucker. We wuz Aryans as a passionately call it in bed during casual sex.

Also this thread is again full of pigs into hardcore sports copium
Come back when Russia finally decides this is an actual war and tosses more meat into the grinder. We'll see who's coping then.

Soviet Union had excess of manpower but dire shortage of everything else, from literally raw materials to steel to machinery and tools. Also basic food, blankets, shoes ...

By lend-lease US and allies supplied 257 723 498 buttons for Soviet uniforms, down to buttons, not 499 or 497, 498.

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Significance of Lend Lease has been downplayed and erased in Soviet Union and then in Russia, Putin saying that even without Western help they would still win, even without Ukrainians and Khazakhs and everyone else, because Russia uber alles.

I know that Soviets issued uniforms from dead men, simply washed and issued to new recruits. In one memoirs, a conscript from Far East said that during their training they had very little to nothing to eat as food was all sent to front lines and it's been a long wait to get equipped and sent to fight, where conditions were far better food wise. Their training camp was more like concentration camp for conscripts.


Soviet Red Army prior to Barbarossa, was bigger and better equipped than Nazi Germany. Also, most warehouses were massed on the border and were overtaken by Nazis or destroyed in the first few weeks, which leads to a lot of speculations as to Stalin's plans and timing of those plans. Also, hundreds of thousands of Soviet soldiers surrendered in the first months of the invasion, completely overwhelming Germans.
Again, it seems that copium has been a Russian expertise ever since WW2. They also downplayed the fact that the Soviets started off as a Nazi ally in the war; helping them take Poland in 1939, with Stalin even making an attempt to have the Soviets join the Axis Powers. He only switched sides when Hitler betrayed him in Operation Barbarossa.
 
He only switched sides when Hitler betrayed him in Operation Barbarossa.
officially, yes
but both sides knew that war betwen the two was an inevitability. stalin was surprised because it came much sooner than he had expected, he thought hitler would only start thinking about war in the east after dealing with great britain in the west, so barbarossa came as a big shock to him.
some say stalin was already in the process of preparing to launch an invasion into germany before barbarossa kicked off, some soviet defector wrote books about this theory, but i'm not sure if this is credible.
 
the only worthwhile ukr volunteers are the one who joined way before the war and have been training and fighting as part of azov for years
the recent ones who joined in reaction to the ukraine hype in the western media seem rather worthless
It depends. Some veterans from actual militaries, (ie. US Marines) are useful, all the other volunteers would be better off working with medics and maintenance.

officially, yes
but both sides knew that war betwen the two was an inevitability. stalin was surprised because it came much sooner than he had expected, he thought hitler would only start thinking about war in the east after dealing with great britain in the west, so barbarossa came as a big shock to him.
some say stalin was already in the process of preparing to launch an invasion into germany before barbarossa kicked off, some soviet defector wrote books about this theory, but i'm not sure if this is credible.
True. But the fact that the Soviets started the war as an ally of Nazi Germany is often buried by Rusiaboos who keep insisting that it was the Soviet Union that won the war for the Allies, instead of the Allies giving the Soviets enough material and military support to win a war they helped kick off.
 
Guessing the ongoing coup against Putin was fake news then?

Either shit goes down in Russia and Putin is removed or World War Three is on the calendar.

Normies told me in Feb of 2020 that COVID 19 would be a nothing burger, I won't bother asking their opinion this time.

Please tell me Putin has been disposed? Someone?

Anyone?
 
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