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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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lol, i.e. rotary bomb dispenser. I bet the fucking thing will jam and I don't want to be the lucky bro to recover a drone with shitload of armed mortar rounds jammed up in a tight bundle.
I wouldn't be afraid of it jamming, but more like being an extra big target for riflemen & AA systems.

While a neat idea, what Ukraine could do is start putting self-destruct & tamper-resistant features in drones of all sizes. Like simply needing a special tool to remove the memory card; or it can automatically detonate itself if pried open without the tool, shot down by an MG, or even if blasted by an anti-drone wand.

After that, disseminate the info for regular Ukrainians & troops, not to pick up drones, along with the reasons. No doubt Russia would learn about it quickly, but that's part of the plan.

When good results are had, with average Russian soldiers made wary of picking up drones, then boobytrap only a fraction of drones made (except for a manual self-destruct), but still put the warning labels on all of them.
 
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They’re throwing what’s left of the 1st Guard Tank Army into their salient south of Severodontesk. That’s a sign they’re not confident about Izyum at this point.

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Was this event already addressed in the thread?
But rutards are gonna keep going with muh ghost of kyiv
I think the conflict just killed the strong standing of Russia that Russia was careful crafting over the years.

We are now nearly 3 months into a conflict that everyone (most) expected Russia to win in a matter of days:

The state of the Russian military was exposed. Just to name the Chechen TikTok Brigade, the looting of common electronics. The inadequate equipment, them wasting VDV forces. And just the sheer amount of footage of Russian soldier and equipment getting wasted in this pointless conflict.
The retreats or "faints" of Russia from Kiev
Russia needing months to bring soldiers in a steel mill towards surrendering
Russia lost the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet.
Inflation in Russia hits over 15 %
The moving of the goalpost of the goals of the war
Sweden and Finland wanting to join NATO
A shitload of support towards Ukraine
Pushing the EU into going full energy independence

It is 100 % not working as planned for Russia that is sure. But I have no idea how the conflict will end. But I think the following quote might be relevant:
"Wars begin when you will, but they do not end when you please. – Niccolò Machiavelli"

The next few months will be interesting.
 
They’re throwing what’s left of the 1st Guard Tank Army into their salient south of Severodontesk. That’s a sign they’re not confident about Izyum at this point.

Also:
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I'd imagine that particular Russian officer is going to be seeing a lot of the Azovstal basements, and/or the gulag if he survives.
 
I think the conflict just killed the strong standing of Russia that Russia was careful crafting over the years.

We are now nearly 3 months into a conflict that everyone (most) expected Russia to win in a matter of days:

The state of the Russian military was exposed. Just to name the Chechen TikTok Brigade, the looting of common electronics. The inadequate equipment, them wasting VDV forces. And just the sheer amount of footage of Russian soldier and equipment getting wasted in this pointless conflict.
The retreats or "faints" of Russia from Kiev
Russia needing months to bring soldiers in a steel mill towards surrendering
Russia lost the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet.
Inflation in Russia hits over 15 %
The moving of the goalpost of the goals of the war
Sweden and Finland wanting to join NATO
A shitload of support towards Ukraine
Pushing the EU into going full energy independence

It is 100 % not working as planned for Russia that is sure. But I have no idea how the conflict will end. But I think the following quote might be relevant:
"Wars begin when you will, but they do not end when you please. – Niccolò Machiavelli"

The next few months will be interesting.

the biggest impact for me were indiscriminate rapes, not just women, but pre-pubescent kids of both sexes and elderly (of both sexes) and aparantly more infants (as of late news)

I've had drinks with dudes who served in 'nam and Afganistan, I get that sometimes shit happens, violence, murder, mentals getting into army etc. but I haven't met people who would look me in the eyes and say that was ok with them or their squadmates or officers. That's not the case for RF armed forces. We are talking about officers being involved, bragging about it, the whole squad or platoon knowing or partaking, and that's just fucked up on some other level, like systemic mental illness, not your average war-violence shit.

I got some Soviet guns in my collection, some rare RF patches etc., but at this point I can't look at the RF shit without thinking that uniform and insignia represents pedo/geriatric rapists and all the fucking shame that will never be washed away.

Russia bros are coping with it two ways:

1. Wars are always hell, it's what normally happened since dawn of man/middle ages. True, we also impaled enemies on a stick in ass and planted them on the sides of roads. Are we back to that shit now or we are cherry picking?

2. Crazy abnormal shit happens, especially when army is looks away and accepts/keeps psychopaths. Again, this is so normalized in RF army that service becomes an opportunity to take your normal conscript rapes to another level of depravity in plain view.
 
I think the conflict just killed the strong standing of Russia that Russia was careful crafting over the years.

We are now nearly 3 months into a conflict that everyone (most) expected Russia to win in a matter of days:

The state of the Russian military was exposed. Just to name the Chechen TikTok Brigade, the looting of common electronics. The inadequate equipment, them wasting VDV forces. And just the sheer amount of footage of Russian soldier and equipment getting wasted in this pointless conflict.
The retreats or "faints" of Russia from Kiev
Russia needing months to bring soldiers in a steel mill towards surrendering
Russia lost the flagship of the Black Sea Fleet.
Inflation in Russia hits over 15 %
The moving of the goalpost of the goals of the war
Sweden and Finland wanting to join NATO
A shitload of support towards Ukraine
Pushing the EU into going full energy independence

It is 100 % not working as planned for Russia that is sure. But I have no idea how the conflict will end. But I think the following quote might be relevant:
"Wars begin when you will, but they do not end when you please. – Niccolò Machiavelli"

The next few months will be interesting.

You know I was dead set against the US giving M1s to the Ukrainians but at this point it would be hilarious. Fuck it, we've got 2500+ sitting out in the desert not doing anything, let's give 200-300 to the Ukr. and see what happens.
 
You know I was dead set against the US giving M1s to the Ukrainians but at this point it would be hilarious. Fuck it, we've got 2500+ sitting out in the desert not doing anything, let's give 200-300 to the Ukr. and see what happens.
Absolutely; it's not like the Russians don't already know how their ATGMs & armor fare against the M1. The Iraqis have lost some of their older models to large IEDs, EFP mines, and ISIS ATGMs; but the Saudis have lost multiple upgraded M1A2s to the Yemenis, mostly using newer Russian ATGMs (Kornet, Metis, etc).

Since it seems like that particular cherry was popped with the M777, it makes sense that M1A1s (at least) will be in the Ukrainian import pipeline soon. And I wonder if there are any M60s left, not just from US stockpiles; which would definitely answer some old Cold War questions.
 
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Since it seems like that particular cherry was popped with the M777, it makes sense that M1A1s (at least) will be in the Ukrainian import pipeline soon. And I wonder if there are any M60s left, not just from US stockpiles; which would definitely answer some old Cold War questions.

The Israelis already found out how the M60A3 fares against the T72, and the answer is "not very well". I would not bet the farm on the M60 against a peer opponent this year. Had anyone bought the M60-2000 (S120) update, which basically built an M1A1 around an M60 hull, that might be a good half-step. But, anyway, any M60s in the US have been stripped of usable parts and are being used to make reefs or as range targets, none are stored in any kind of serviceable condition. Turkey has a bunch, I think.

Iraqi and Saudi losses are due to neither of those armies understanding the concept of combined arms (come to think on it neither do the Russians it seems...where the fuck have their infantry screens been while their tanks are getting massacred by ATGM teams?). You roll hot with an armored company, you get 73 Easting. You charge your tanks line abreast into an entrenched enemy, you get what happens in Iraq and Yemen. I think the Ukrainians are smart enough to know what to not do...and would get very schooled by US instructors (not that they need it, mind, they're the ones fighting basically a conventional third world war right now). Of course part of the beauty of the M1 is ammo containment. You get a penetrating hit on a T-xx (don't care, anything from a T54 up to a T90) anywhere on a 270' frontal arc, and it's goodnight irene. On an M1, the only "kaboom" spot is the turret bustle, and the blast and fire are being contained, you rotate the turret 90' off center so it vents out into the air vs. fire getting sucked into the turbine and depending on conditions you can either wait it out or bail out, but believe it or not it's safer to wait it out.

If the powerpack and drivetrain are still operational, that tank is back in service in a day or two. It's a wonderful machine, it really is.
 
You know I was dead set against the US giving M1s to the Ukrainians but at this point it would be hilarious. Fuck it, we've got 2500+ sitting out in the desert not doing anything, let's give 200-300 to the Ukr. and see what happens.
Main issue is time, if you want competent tankers it’ll take about six months of training along with motor crews. There’s probably a couple getting some basic training in NATO style tanks but right now there’s enough post Soviet stocks in NATO hands to outfit them.
 
I thought this was interesting; not so much the drones, but definitely that trainer/cockpit setup.

I knew those L3 niggers have been in Ukraine for a while; if they have something that can be setup in a few days for a tech-conference (that even media types can fly on), no doubt they can do (or have done) the same in Poland & Lviv for Ukrainian operators & pilots.
 
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I've had drinks with dudes who served in 'nam and Afganistan, I get that sometimes shit happens, violence, murder, mentals getting into army etc. but I haven't met people who would look me in the eyes and say that was ok with them or their squadmates or officers. That's not the case for RF armed forces. We are talking about officers being involved, bragging about it, the whole squad or platoon knowing or partaking, and that's just fucked up on some other level, like systemic mental illness, not your average war-violence shit.
reports like this from back in the day suggest that there is indeed some form of organisation behind this behavior

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(politkovskaya was later murdered by chechens because she kept publishing uncomfortable information about kadyrovs mafia state)
 
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partly sunny | ~18 °C

Shelling: Ruski Tyshky, Petrivka, Ternova

Ukrainian forces, namely the soldiers of 127th Territorial Defense Brigade, reached the state border in the vicinity of Ternova. Russian troops attempted to retake Ternova on Monday, but the attack wasn’t successful.

Militaryland.net seem a overall summary, so many maps

Ukrainian pilot Denys Davydov provides an amiable account of developments, day to day.


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Putin is totally winning, this is the opposite of sheer desperation!
 
They’re throwing what’s left of the 1st Guard Tank Army into their salient south of Severodontesk. That’s a sign they’re not confident about Izyum at this point.

Also:
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The new GTA game is shaping up to be the most photorealistic ever in terms of graphics.
The Israelis already found out how the M60A3 fares against the T72, and the answer is "not very well".
Erm, when was that? The M60A3 didn't enter US service until May of 1979, so the Yom Kippur War was long over and fought with M48A3 and M60A1's, both of which were getting a bit long in the tooth by that point.
 
reports like this from back in the day suggest that there is indeed some form of organisation behind this behavior

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(politkovskaya was later murdered by chechens because she kept publishing uncomfortable information about kadyrovs mafia state)
What happened to that woman & how it was arranged is some rotten goatshit. And speaking of, where has ol' Ramzan been lately; last I seen of him was at a "Victory" parade (I can't remember if it was in Moscow or Grozny). Since then, I've only seen tiktoks with his underlings/sub-lieutenants, spraying & praying.
 
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