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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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the biggest impact for me were indiscriminate rapes, not just women, but pre-pubescent kids of both sexes and elderly (of both sexes) and aparantly more infants (as of late news)

I've had drinks with dudes who served in 'nam and Afganistan, I get that sometimes shit happens, violence, murder, mentals getting into army etc. but I haven't met people who would look me in the eyes and say that was ok with them or their squadmates or officers. That's not the case for RF armed forces. We are talking about officers being involved, bragging about it, the whole squad or platoon knowing or partaking, and that's just fucked up on some other level, like systemic mental illness, not your average war-violence shit.

I got some Soviet guns in my collection, some rare RF patches etc., but at this point I can't look at the RF shit without thinking that uniform and insignia represents pedo/geriatric rapists and all the fucking shame that will never be washed away.

Russia bros are coping with it two ways:

1. Wars are always hell, it's what normally happened since dawn of man/middle ages. True, we also impaled enemies on a stick in ass and planted them on the sides of roads. Are we back to that shit now or we are cherry picking?

2. Crazy abnormal shit happens, especially when army is looks away and accepts/keeps psychopaths. Again, this is so normalized in RF army that service becomes an opportunity to take your normal conscript rapes to another level of depravity in plain view.
My girlfriends grandmother told her a story about the red army passing through the town she lived in when she was young, her own grandmother had her mother and her hide and when soldats started going door to door they were literally asking babushkas if there's any young girls in the house because she's too old for them and that was supposedly an exception to a "norm".

And they asked like it was normal, like it's the medieval times and they're looking for their spoils of war to liberate from virginity.

Many older people have tales of red army being a horde of rabid rapists that would rape anything that moved, there's also the rape of Berlin, you can bet there was also rape of everything on the way to Berlin.

I think the only reason this isn't common history books knowledge is in most cases, soviets controlled the areas their rabid horde passed through, usually for generations afterwards, and bleached history as hard as possible, made it illegal to talk about certain aspects of their behaviour or dumped the responsibility on some other group (usually they just say that actually it was the nazis who did whatever they're accused of during ww2) and glorified their horde as liberators and heroes so it was left to babushkas to pass on the tales about how glorious the red army really was to whoever would listen.

Monuments to red army portraying then as heroes should all be demolished IMO, the shit that hides behind "Here lie heroes and liberators" plaques is just as if not more fucked up than what nazis did.

Yeah rapes and murders happen during war, always, no exceptions but russians are the only ones that seem to have rape as part of their military doctrine, must be some fucky mongol genes.

Edit: And if anyone wonders why such tales didn't become common knowledge after USSR fell apart, well, many people started telling the tales, awareness grew but before long russia started gaining soft power in europe again and noone wanted to piss them off as russians get exceptionally triggered when you "Disrespect the memory of nazi fighting heroes".

Russia is so full of shit that it's basically a septic tank when it comes to their history and culture.
 
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Ruble supposedly bounced back, so vatniks are high on copium currently. But I keep thinking about the fact that it was valued much higher compared to dollar back in USSR, though you could buy fuck all with it, so the comparison was ultimately meaningless, all of which comes at a cost.
Current situation is not that far off, and they only achieved this by restricting trade and obligating companies to sell currency, among other things.

Any economists to weigh in? From where I stand, Russian economy isn't any less fucked than it was a month ago.
The US dollar has also been up, but I think we know for a fact when we go to the gas station that isn't the entire picture.
 
My girlfriends grandmother told her a story about the red army passing through the town she lived in when she was young, her own grandmother had her mother and her hide and when soldats started going door to door they were literally asking babushkas if there's any young girls in the house because she's too old for them and that was supposedly an exception to a "norm".

And they asked like it was normal, like it's the medieval times and they're looking for their spoils of war to liberate from virginity.

Many older people have tales of red army being a horde of rabid rapists that would rape anything that moved, there's also the rape of Berlin, you can bet there was also rape of everything on the way to Berlin.

I think the only reason this isn't common history books knowledge is in most cases, soviets controlled the areas their rabid horde passed through, usually for generations afterwards, and bleached history as hard as possible, made it illegal to talk about certain aspects of their behaviour or dumped the responsibility on some other group (usually they just say that actually it was the nazis who did whatever they're accused of during ww2) and glorified their horde as liberators and heroes so it was left to babushkas to pass on the tales about how glorious the red army really was to whoever would listen.

Monuments to red army portraying then as heroes should all be demolished IMO, the shit that hides behind "Here lie heroes and liberators" plaques is just as if not more fucked up than what nazis did.

Yeah rapes and murders happen during war, always, no exceptions but russians are the only ones that seem to have rape as part of their military doctrine, must be some fucky mongol genes.

Edit: And if anyone wonders why such tales didn't become common knowledge after USSR fell apart, well, many people started telling the tales, awareness grew but before long russia started gaining soft power in europe again and noone wanted to piss them off as russians get exceptionally triggered when you "Disrespect the memory of nazi fighting heroes".

Russia is so full of shit that it's basically a septic tank when it comes to their history and culture.

Yep. Consider what that bastard SOB Calley did in Vietnam. He should've been executed for it. But, it was an exception, not the rule. It happens so much in Russian military operations that it's impossible to separate out.
 
My girlfriends grandmother told her a story about the red army passing through the town she lived in when she was young, her own grandmother had her mother and her hide and when soldats started going door to door they were literally asking babushkas if there's any young girls in the house because she's too old for them and that was supposedly an exception to a "norm".

And they asked like it was normal, like it's the medieval times and they're looking for their spoils of war to liberate from virginity.

Many older people have tales of red army being a horde of rabid rapists that would rape anything that moved, there's also the rape of Berlin, you can bet there was also rape of everything on the way to Berlin.

I think the only reason this isn't common history books knowledge is in most cases, soviets controlled the areas their rabid horde passed through, usually for generations afterwards, and bleached history as hard as possible, made it illegal to talk about certain aspects of their behaviour or dumped the responsibility on some other group (usually they just say that actually it was the nazis who did whatever they're accused of during ww2) and glorified their horde as liberators and heroes so it was left to babushkas to pass on the tales about how glorious the red army really was to whoever would listen.

Monuments to red army portraying then as heroes should all be demolished IMO, the shit that hides behind "Here lie heroes and liberators" plaques is just as if not more fucked up than what nazis did.

Yeah rapes and murders happen during war, always, no exceptions but russians are the only ones that seem to have rape as part of their military doctrine, must be some fucky mongol genes.

Edit: And if anyone wonders why such tales didn't become common knowledge after USSR fell apart, well, many people started telling the tales, awareness grew but before long russia started gaining soft power in europe again and noone wanted to piss them off as russians get exceptionally triggered when you "Disrespect the memory of nazi fighting heroes".

Russia is so full of shit that it's basically a septic tank when it comes to their history and culture.
The Russian Military in WWII were so bad, one of their own female war correspondents called them an "army of rapists". Think about that. The Russian military carried out one of the most widespread instances of mass war rape in human history. They raped everyone from 8 years old to 80. And no, they didn't just rape German women. Any woman they could get their hands on was fair game. Even Russian POW women. Many women were gang raped, and literally raped dozens, maybe even hundreds, of times. Entire units would get in on the action. Even women in the Soviet ranks were not safe. Many became the "mistresses" of higher ranked officers, because it was the only way they could gain protection from the other men. Millions of women were raped in Germany alone. The only thing this war has shown is that the Russian Army hasn't changed one bit since WWII. We should have made peace with the Germans and let them and the Soviets wipe each other out.
 
My girlfriends grandmother told her a story about the red army passing through the town she lived in when she was young, her own grandmother had her mother and her hide and when soldats started going door to door they were literally asking babushkas if there's any young girls in the house because she's too old for them and that was supposedly an exception to a "norm".

And they asked like it was normal, like it's the medieval times and they're looking for their spoils of war to liberate from virginity.

Many older people have tales of red army being a horde of rabid rapists that would rape anything that moved, there's also the rape of Berlin, you can bet there was also rape of everything on the way to Berlin.
I think I mentioned my great grandaunt at some point earlier; who lived by herself (I don't think she ever married), and was paranoid about the Russians coming for her until the day she died.

I distinctly remember part of one conversation in particular; my grandma interrupted & asked "don't you mean the Gestapo?"

My great-aunt Erna very forcefully corrected her; "We didn't worry about the Gestapo, but everyone was scared of the Russians; and I was made to work for the SS (after fleeing the Volga)."

"We (meaning the other nurses) knew their secret police had lists of names of everyone who worked for the SS."

Pretty sure that was the reason why she was scared of them for so long, beyond everything else that happened to her back then. At least she wasn't stuck in Berlin, because she probably wouldn't have made it out unscathed (she was at a hospital near Nuremberg iirc).
 
Funny, because old fucks are the most enthusiastic about this war, just due to their soviet brainwashing and nostalgia.
Not that all these boomers would be actually willing to go.
I think the only reason this isn't common history books knowledge is in most cases, soviets controlled the areas their rabid horde passed through, usually for generations afterwards, and bleached history as hard as possible, made it illegal to talk about certain aspects of their behaviour or dumped the responsibility on some other group (usually they just say that actually it was the nazis who did whatever they're accused of during ww2) and glorified their horde as liberators and heroes so it was left to babushkas to pass on the tales about how glorious the red army really was to whoever would listen.
Yeah, and it would've been the same here if not for the internet/modern media.
 
This seems legit; looks like the small white building in the drone footage is briefly visible, when the soldier filming pans to himself at the beginning.
 
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Yeah, and it would've been the same here if not for the internet/modern media.
The real issue is that there is culture of shame surrounding the incidents, particularly in Germany. Many people just didn't talk about it. A German reporter actually wrote an autobiographical novel about her experiences in Berlin right after the war and it was immensely controversial in Germany.
 
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Yeah, and it would've been the same here if not for the internet/modern media.
And russian soldiers know it, they act like they know there will be zero consequences for them, Bucha is a great example of that, hell, if Ukrainians fail to retake the occupied territory we'll likely never know what is in those mass graves that have been popping up around the cities, russians are already running clean up operations, getting rid of witnesses and building the narrative that "Actually, everything our brave, heroic soldiers are accused off was done by Azov Nazis and Ukrainian Fascist Government" which is SOP for the motherfuckers, just look up Katyn Massacre where soviets murdered thousands of Polish officers and have been blaming it on nazis forever despite all evidence.

Too bad that both Fat Man and Little Boy weren't dropped on Moscow back in the day.
 
And russian soldiers know it, they act like they know there will be zero consequences for them, Bucha is a great example of that, hell, if Ukrainians fail to retake the occupied territory we'll likely never know what is in those mass graves that have been popping up around the cities, russians are already running clean up operations, getting rid of witnesses and building the narrative that "Actually, everything our brave, heroic soldiers are accused off was done by Azov Nazis and Ukrainian Fascist Government" which is SOP for the motherfuckers, just look up Katyn Massacre where soviets murdered thousands of Polish officers and have been blaming it on nazis forever despite all evidence.

Too bad that both Fat Man and Little Boy weren't dropped on Moscow back in the day.
Because they know that Russian authorities won't hold them accountable. Hence they would only face justice at the hands of Ukrainians.
 
wow🤣. Literally every poster on this thread be like:
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They do, Dedovshchina is still active in the Russian army where senior officers sexually abuse younger recruits.
Dedovshchina manifests in many forms, rape isn't as prevalent as others. Although even one case is one too many.
It's usually bullying and extortion, various types of physical abuse depending on how bored and creative abusers are. Leads to suicide or murder when it gets too far, which then gets covered up and written off as suicide. If I'm not mistaken, Russia has record high death rate in peacetime army, to the point that it was made a state secret by Putin few years ago, which gives you an idea just how bad it got.
Getting killed or maimed is a very real concern for Russian young men in mandatory service, even when army isn't involved in the active conflict. Now? Well, you can see for yourself.
 
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