Mega Rad Gun Thread

I am going to start this post off with a massive disclaimer that I have sources for nothing I am about to say and that everything I am going to say is third hand knowledge from a source who obtained this alleged knowledge who knows how many hands ago through word of mouth and that this source also has no sources or proof for any of these claims. Basically believe nothing I am about to say because I don't know if any of this information is true. I personally consider the source I received this information from to be trustworthy and believe that they have no reason to lie in such a specific manner to me specifically, but I am some jackass on the internet so that counts for nothing.

Now to get into the meat of the post, It's all about the NGSW Program and the Sig 6.8mm round. This is going to be a lot of bullet points

-Military pressure 6.8 Sig gets 3kfps out of 13in barrel
-When the M5 gets adopted it will have a 16in barrel
-Unnamed body armor plates performed "about 12% better than their rating" when going up against the Sig 6.8, I interpret this as the Sig 6.8 not being able to penetrate said unnamed plates at an unnamed (presumably close) distance with a 12% safety factor.
-Big Army is undecided as to what pressure to load the Sig 6.8 to, could go lower or higher than the initial offering.
-Sig quotes the 12k round barrel life for the XM5 using rounds loaded to 65k PSI (remember, the most commonly stated chamber pressure is 80k PSI). Big Army also set a Minimum barrel life of 5k rounds for the NGSW program.
-Their barrels "don't seem to be anything fancy"

It seems my theory about it not being able to pen Level IV without Tungsten Carbide was correct

Remember, none of this info is confirmed, this is all stuff a person I trust told me after they themselves heard it from people they know.

EDIT: It appears to me that Lonestar is launching some kind of formal complaint against the Army, most likely in relation to the NGSW Program.
EDIT 2: Confirmed by Soldier Systems
 

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I want a 22lr cal. pistol, but in 1911 frame. Could buy full-price, major name brand - but am looking at an ATI GSG M1911. Sure, Biden wants to kill independent firearms manufacturers, but this comes in at a cost much lower than a Walther/Browning/Ruger/Colt equivalent model. Please educate me if you know more about my choices as an American consumer.
 
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It appears to me that Lonestar is launching some kind of formal complaint against the Army, most likely in relation to the NGSW Program.
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I don't even like bullpups, but I was kinda hoping that system would win out. I can't put my finger on why exactly, other than it looked better than a Tavor. And maybe because fuck Sig.
 
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Pocket Dragoon said:
I don't even like bullpups, but I was kinda hoping that system would win out. I can't put my finger on why exactly, other than it looked better than a Tavor. And maybe because fuck Sig.
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Really? I kinda like the look of the Tavor, the bullpup NGSW candidate look like a brick.

Sig choice seemed more reasonable to me anyway, but I'm the least qualified guy to give an opinion on that. At the very least, I'm not sure about polymer ammo likr the bullpup was using.
 
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I don't even like bullpups, but I was kinda hoping that system would win out. I can't put my finger on why exactly, other than it looked better than a Tavor. And maybe because fuck Sig.
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I was rooting for Textron and their telescoped ammo. Despite having a working prototype 6+ years ago, they completely shit the bed in testing.
 
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I was rooting for Textron and their telescoped ammo. Despite having a working prototype 6+ years ago, they completely shit the bed in testing.
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Honestly skeptical of gimmick ammo but I thought they had the best shot initially. Wasn't the army wanting to adopt the textron LSAT part of what kicked off the NGSW program?
 
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Honestly skeptical of gimmick ammo but I thought they had the best shot initially.
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I don't think cased telescoped ammo is a gimmick. BAE built 600 turrets and over 100,000 rounds based around a 40mm CT cannon. The Army was considering it as part of upgunning the Stryker and their Bradley replacement. I looked around to see if that's gone anywhere yet and found a Bradley that was fitted with the same cannon in 1999.
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1Tonka_Truck said:
I don't think cased telescoped ammo is a gimmick. BAE built 600 turrets and over 100,000 rounds based around a 40mm CT cannon. The Army was considering it as part of upgunning the Stryker and their Bradley replacement. I looked around to see if that's gone anywhere yet and found a Bradley that was fitted with the same cannon in 1999.
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They have moved some of the aircraft cannons over to the telescopic rounds, IIRC. At the very least they heavily thought about it. The weight saved vs. the loss of reliability was attractive (as who is really doing gunfighter shit these days?). The telescopic rounds have a lot of utility at the auto-cannon level. Particularly as is you have some more leeway in working around "reluctant" ammunition.
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As for the age comment, I always feel that way about the V-22 Osprey. Developed in the 80s. First flights in the early 90s. Training and adoption in the 00s. But in the back of my head its still brand spanking new. The little monster's first fatal incident is old enough to drink now.
 
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Freshly Baked Socks said:
I want a 22lr cal. pistol, but in 1911 frame. Could buy full-price, major name brand - but am looking at an ATI GSG M1911. Sure, Biden wants to kill independent firearms manufacturers, but this comes in at a cost much lower than a Walther/Browning/Ruger/Colt equivalent model. Please educate me if you know more about my choices as an American consumer.
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I recently got rid of my GSG 1911. They feel cheap in the hand, and aren't particularly accurate.
 
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Freshly Baked Socks said:
I want a 22lr cal. pistol, but in 1911 frame. Could buy full-price, major name brand - but am looking at an ATI GSG M1911. Sure, Biden wants to kill independent firearms manufacturers, but this comes in at a cost much lower than a Walther/Browning/Ruger/Colt equivalent model. Please educate me if you know more about my choices as an American consumer.
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If the Mark IV 22/45 is enough '1911' for you then go for that, IMO.

Solid platform, zero concerns about aftermarket support or manufacturer backing.
 
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Freshly Baked Socks said:
I want a 22lr cal. pistol, but in 1911 frame. Could buy full-price, major name brand - but am looking at an ATI GSG M1911. Sure, Biden wants to kill independent firearms manufacturers, but this comes in at a cost much lower than a Walther/Browning/Ruger/Colt equivalent model. Please educate me if you know more about my choices as an American consumer.
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Ruger makes their own 1911-esque .22LR pistol directly as their 22/45 model, however there are a few SR1911-22 pistols floating around are custom shop products which are quite rare since i doubt Ruger wants to cannibalize 22/45 sales.

Colt licensed their name to Walther, who produces it. Walther also makes their own .22LR pistols, but with the exception of the Rail Gun and Gold Cup versions (made in Ulm by Walther), Umarex does assembly and major manufacturing for Walther of the Colt branded .22LR models for the most part.

SIG Arms Inc has made a few 1911 .22LR pistols, however other than i think some specific imports from Chiappa, they are now all produced by GSG (both SIG Sauer Inc and GSG are owned by L&O Holdings).

Browning generally imports 1911 .22LR pistols made in Italy by Chiappa, who also made some pistols for SIG Sauer USA (before SIG Arms Inc and the separation of SIG's USA and Europe companies, SIG Europe because Swiss Arms, Inc). Chiappa pistols are on the same level of GSG pistols - they work "okay" and are obviously made to a price point but are a known design that has been around for a while. Remember, Browning themselves still make their Buckmark line of target pistols, so i think they're sticking with that for .22LR.

Kimber contracts out their 1911 .22LR major components to Ciener (and Kimber uses an adapted Ciener design), but make the majority of the pistol (frame, slide, internals) themselves.

ATI is an importer primarily, and has contracts with GSG, Chiappa, MKE, and others to import fire arms for their own label, kinda like what Charles Daly or EAA became. Sarsilmaz and Canik are OEM for some of these products and are decent manufacturers in their own right.

personally, i use an Advantage Arms kit on an older Colt frame. many have success (and have the desire) to just buy a quality 1911 pistol and use a conversion kit, which gives them a normal 1911 pistol, but the option for less expensive .22LR. it's important to note that even though some pistols are made by the same company under different labels, they do come at different price points and have differences in specifications and details to meet the goals of the contract they are manufactured for, so it's not quite that since GSG makes both the ATI and SIG models that they are the same pistol.
 
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Ruger makes their own 1911-esque .22LR pistol directly as their 22/45 model, however there are a few SR1911-22 pistols floating around are custom shop products which are quite rare since i doubt Ruger wants to cannibalize 22/45 sales.

Colt licensed their name to Walther, who produces it. Walther also makes their own .22LR pistols, but with the exception of the Rail Gun and Gold Cup versions (made in Ulm by Walther), Umarex does assembly and major manufacturing for Walther of the Colt branded .22LR models for the most part.

SIG Arms Inc has made a few 1911 .22LR pistols, however other than i think some specific imports from Chiappa, they are now all produced by GSG (both SIG Sauer Inc and GSG are owned by L&O Holdings).

Browning generally imports 1911 .22LR pistols made in Italy by Chiappa, who also made some pistols for SIG Sauer USA (before SIG Arms Inc and the separation of SIG's USA and Europe companies, SIG Europe because Swiss Arms, Inc). Chiappa pistols are on the same level of GSG pistols - they work "okay" and are obviously made to a price point but are a known design that has been around for a while. Remember, Browning themselves still make their Buckmark line of target pistols, so i think they're sticking with that for .22LR.

Kimber contracts out their 1911 .22LR major components to Ciener (and Kimber uses an adapted Ciener design), but make the majority of the pistol (frame, slide, internals) themselves.

ATI is an importer primarily, and has contracts with GSG, Chiappa, MKE, and others to import fire arms for their own label, kinda like what Charles Daly or EAA became. Sarsilmaz and Canik are OEM for some of these products and are decent manufacturers in their own right.

personally, i use an Advantage Arms kit on an older Colt frame. many have success (and have the desire) to just buy a quality 1911 pistol and use a conversion kit, which gives them a normal 1911 pistol, but the option for less expensive .22LR. it's important to note that even though some pistols are made by the same company under different labels, they do come at different price points and have differences in specifications and details to meet the goals of the contract they are manufactured for, so it's not quite that since GSG makes both the ATI and SIG models that they are the same pistol.
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I've never used their 1911 kit but I have an AA kit for my G17 and find the quality and reliability to be quiet good.
 
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I've got a small trivia. Props to any member who can guess the: Caliber and Type of Projectile. Of course there's no prize since it's pretty easy. I will give one hint though, you wont find this type of projectile on the street.

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Mikoyan said:
If the Mark IV 22/45 is enough '1911' for you then go for that, IMO.

Solid platform, zero concerns about aftermarket support or manufacturer backing.
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Going to second this recommendation. Huge aftermarket and a great shooter - I would strongly recommend replacing the factory extractor with something from TandemKross or Volquartsen if you go this route, though. Mine would FTE just often enough (particularly during Steel Challenge stages) to be annoying before I dropped in a new extractor.

Edit: it doesn't hurt that disassembly is ridiculously easy compared to earlier Ruger Marks (or frankly, almost anything).

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My guess is .17 Remington.
 
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WhatInTheActualFuck said:
Going to second this recommendation. Huge aftermarket and a great shooter - I would strongly recommend replacing the factory extractor with something from TandemKross or Volquartsen if you go this route, though. Mine would FTE just often enough (particularly during Steel Challenge stages) to be annoying before I dropped in a new extractor.

Edit: it doesn't hurt that disassembly is ridiculously easy compared to earlier Ruger Marks (or frankly, almost anything).

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My guess is .17 Remington.
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I have a highly gamered-out Mark IV Target and second the extractor stuff, that part is dope. Same with their 10/22 extractor.

I eventually got their whole bolt for it which is super nice, but spendy. The extractor and other small parts they make are totally reasonable though.
 
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