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Creative works you enjoyed until politics happened - "How politics made me hate Welcome to Nightvale and other things"
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Wasn't the message "this game was made by people from different backgrounds?" which is objectively better
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Why? The original was an effort to deny that they were making left-wing anti-Christian drivel, now it's just saying that they have trannies on the team. That doesn't make people particularly confident that they are getting an impartial interpretation of history.
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Stop. Right. Now.
It is our holy, personal, duty to evolve this boilerplate into the FUTURE.
Post your diversity boilerplate below. Remember: You CAN use a simple 2d pic as the background...
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I was a huge fan of this series of books (Song of the Lioness) that featured a girl disguising herself as her twin brother so she could become a knight and he could become a wizard by Tamora Pierce growing up. Huge fan. I loved that she wrote a kick ass girl kicking ass, taking names, and growing up as a woman in a boys world.
Then I started following her on Twitter, and one day after one of the many, many public out cries of ~twanzphobia~ (maybe when JKR first went full TERF) she came out and said that Alanna was ~acktually~ non-binary because she did male things instead of going to get the training noble girls got. Sorry, "gender non-conforming", with the implication of being under the non-binary Troon umbrella.
I was flabbergasted. Alanna was always a girl. She used she, when she wasn't pretending to be a boy. She called herself a girl/woman. Grew up to love both dressing like a man for practical reasons - like fighting - and dressing in gowns and wearing makeup as a woman of her class would do. She married a man and had children with him. She pretended to be a boy because girls were forbidden to go through knight training. After she came out as a knight the next king changed the law so that girls could become a knight - as they used to be able to do a hundred years before their time.
It was a great feminist story about girls doing what they really wanted to and doing it well. But suddenly she's non-binary? No. Gender non-conforming as in the old school way of meaning it, sure. Like David Bowie and Prince. But not under the Troon umbrella!
I had no problems with JKR saying Dumbledore was gay, because yeah, he was. I picked up on that long before she said that. Before the homoerotic relationship between him and the bad dude during WW2 or whatever was written about in the last book. Same with Hermione maybe being black, her skin tone isn't mentioned once and bushy hair could be taken to mean black hair. It's assumed she's white, but unlike that black kid - Dean I think - it's never explicitly stated.
Those things were plausible at best, or a duh in Dumbledore's case. But this statement of Pierce's was just so out of left field.
I am aware that this is raw, undiluted autism, but it was a long-time favorite series for me that I read at least once a year. I still love them, but this just makes me MATI.
Then I started following her on Twitter, and one day after one of the many, many public out cries of ~twanzphobia~ (maybe when JKR first went full TERF) she came out and said that Alanna was ~acktually~ non-binary because she did male things instead of going to get the training noble girls got. Sorry, "gender non-conforming", with the implication of being under the non-binary Troon umbrella.
I was flabbergasted. Alanna was always a girl. She used she, when she wasn't pretending to be a boy. She called herself a girl/woman. Grew up to love both dressing like a man for practical reasons - like fighting - and dressing in gowns and wearing makeup as a woman of her class would do. She married a man and had children with him. She pretended to be a boy because girls were forbidden to go through knight training. After she came out as a knight the next king changed the law so that girls could become a knight - as they used to be able to do a hundred years before their time.
It was a great feminist story about girls doing what they really wanted to and doing it well. But suddenly she's non-binary? No. Gender non-conforming as in the old school way of meaning it, sure. Like David Bowie and Prince. But not under the Troon umbrella!
I had no problems with JKR saying Dumbledore was gay, because yeah, he was. I picked up on that long before she said that. Before the homoerotic relationship between him and the bad dude during WW2 or whatever was written about in the last book. Same with Hermione maybe being black, her skin tone isn't mentioned once and bushy hair could be taken to mean black hair. It's assumed she's white, but unlike that black kid - Dean I think - it's never explicitly stated.
Those things were plausible at best, or a duh in Dumbledore's case. But this statement of Pierce's was just so out of left field.
I am aware that this is raw, undiluted autism, but it was a long-time favorite series for me that I read at least once a year. I still love them, but this just makes me MATI.
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Funny that, before Riordan's transition (hah) I might've said he was right-wing. The Percy Jackson series was themed around teaching kids Western folklore, in fact I still remember the conversation from the first book which sets up the lore, where America is described as "the successor to Rome" and "heart of the West." This was the first time I'd heard an America=Rome analogy and I thought it was the coolest shit. Every important scene took place at or near an American landmark and Riordan described with detail what it's like in this country, what it's like to be a true burger complete with hard Rs. It had a strong white male protagonist and male authority figures and "traditional diversity" (a black guy and a white girl as the supporting leads, very 80s/90s). I still think it's the perfect example of how to hide your political views in your fiction in plain sight, ironic when he actually had the complete opposite views the whole time.
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I hate the modern gender politics. I just want a cute tomboy GF, and maybe a cute tomboy daughter to be my pride and joy. Is that so much to ask for? #savethetomboys
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Oops. My bad, I guess I forgot about that. Soz.
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I'll be blunt, on the week JKR mentioned that, I doodled a white and black Hermoine and they were nigh distinguishable (maybe due to my shitty art style) and later I was informed of a Proto-Harry Potter where Black!Hermoine is also blonde? Cool I guess; a decade earlier Ganguro!Hermoine sans makeup and nails.
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The "Dumbledore was always gay" stuff does track, though. The evidence before Book 7 is scant, but she dropped so many obvious tells in the last book (the guy who wrote his obituary mentioning their "mutual attraction," not a phrase you generally associate with dudes who are just drinking buddies, appears in the second chapter) that I asked a friend of mine if he was supposed to be gay. I was told I was crazy, but it's absolutely there.
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What gave it away for me was single elderly man who dressed like a disco ball. The other teachers and staff dressed far more sedately, solid colors and plain robes. The colors they wore sometimes didn't make sense compared to non-wizards, thinking of that bright green bowlers hat the minister wore in book four or five, but Dumbledore wore robes that glittered or had stars and moons on them. Non-homosexal men do not typically wear glitter or dramatic prints. Not unless they are celebrities at fancy dress events wearing things to startle the poors. (Thinking of that dude who wore a hot pink tux/shirt at the Met a few weeks ago, I assume he's straight I don't know who he is)
I used to read fandom sites/fanfic and a lot of Harry/Draco shippers used the fact that Harry noticed Dumbledore's/others clothes as "proof" that Harry was gay. (What straight teenage boy pays attention to fashion?) No. I think it's more just that Rowling is female and that shows in her writing, coupled with a fish-out-of-water character who got thrown out of his life where everyone wore pants and dresses into a world where everyone wore robes and other "bizzare" fashions. I think even a teenage boy would pay attention to people in some of the outfits she describes, though that could be me, a girl, assuming too much about boys.
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I find this pretty tenuous support for his sexual orientation (though in retrospect maybe it was a clue). Dumbledore is presented as the archetypal Old Wizard In Robes And Pointy Hat With A Long Beard, even more cliched than Gandalf, and such wizards do wear stars and moons and every other outrageous thing. The one outfit I thought might be a legitimate hint was the purple suit he wore on his trip to Voldemort's orphanage in Book 6.
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I think it was a clue, but I could be retconning things based on book seven and her saying he was gay. Maybe he did start out as a Wizard archetype, but by the time book seven came around I was pretty suspicious that he was also gay. Other than the clothes and being single though, I can't really say why I thought that.
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Maybe it's because I only read those books when I was already past my teens, but it always seemed pretty obvious to me that Dumbledore was seen by everybody around him as eccentric at the very least. More like flamboyant, even by wizard standards. Add to it the fact he never showed any interest in women and his only stated non-work/duty friendships are with dudes (the alchemist guy and Grindewald) and the "revelation" that he was gay was about as surprising as someone telling me the sky was blue.
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From the movies, right? The descriptions match both movies and books.
To be fair, in-universe His family was prominent, and he was a prodigy disregarding the brother into goats.
We, I read one Drarry(?) Fanfic and it was the last; Harry used fresh Starbucks coffee as an enema to turn on Draco.
You're not wrong on that part: in many young adult fiction with male protagonists, in their point of views they will describe the character's clothes in detail. See D.J. MacHale, CS Lewis
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That's not the only instance of that, there's other shit too describing her as light skinned. that's the one time it can be misconstrued as "oh she was just scared" because that's what white kinda means in this context.
The same shit can be seen in other media, like that Homestuck comic with the grey people where the human characters are constantly referenced from time to time as having "pink" skin to the oint there are actual compilations of this but the og creator once backlash happened for his funny characters that weren't aliens all being white kids.
To put a long story short, Rowling is one of many authors who have not only gone mad with power from sudden popularity and success but eventually tried appealing to a specific culty segment of social media politics team poisoned types that actively fucking hate them no matter what they do and just want the characters to be gay black trannies and FUCK . Even if you give them that, they will still hate you for past slights. I actually wonder sometimes how many people in that specific clique of people are similar stories to the popular authors that draw their ire. Like how much of it's just a purity spiral of fucked over creators resulting inthem just joining in on the hate-filled groupthink towards anything not viewed by some kind of corporate hack as "diverse"?
Also LMAO at the people going and saying shit "dumbledore wears purple and/or stars on his outfit guys that means he gaY!!" in this thread have you ever SEEN a wizard? You telling me the cookie crisp wizards sucking the other 50 cookie crisp mascots like the dude in the purple shirt behind the counter? Sometimes he's just got the wizard style while also being gay, not complicated.