Science Are Women Worthless After the Age 20?


The ways that men are valued compared to women signal differential worth.
Society dictates that men reach their peak attractiveness around the age of 50, while a woman’s peak comes and goes by age 22.
Women's rights issues are essentially human rights issues.
“I am not the woman president of Harvard. I am the president of Harvard."—Drew Gilpin Faust

I identify as human—not as male or as female—but human. A human life has innate value. A human, born in America, is endowed with certain inalienable rights. Unfortunately, things become gendered after that. It is all men who are created equal.

For 12,000 years, the hierarchical distribution of power, privilege, and rights has resolutely favored men while entrenching a system that disrespects, oppresses, and exploits women. The notion that all lives have equal value remains aspirational.

Inequality persists between men and women
In our society, the reasons that people are valued is gendered. Men are most valued for their character, including honesty, morality, power, and professional achievement, whereas women are primarily valued for their physical attractiveness and their capacity to be nurturing and empathic. Men reach their peak attractiveness around the age of 50; a woman’s peak comes and goes by the time she reaches 18-22 years old.

Women comprise half of the U.S. workforce, but they also continue to be the family’s primary caregivers and "homemakers," inclusive of housework, organization, and daily tasks such as paying bills. Men engage in 50% more leisure time than women (Kamp Dush, Yavorsky & Schoppe-Sullivan, 2018). You’d think all this extra work would increase a women’s value, but it is quite the opposite. Due to our lowered social status, as more women enter a male-dominated field, the profession becomes feminized and thus devalued, so pay in that field decreases for both men and women.

Worldwide, women make 77 cents to every dollar earned by men, corresponding to a lifetime of inequality and a substantially greater risk of retiring in poverty. "Women’s work," that is healthcare, domestic, and early education careers, are not only underpaid but are also undervalued, despite their societal importance. Women pay more for products marketed to women and are subject to taxes for menstrual products such as tampons. We face rampant sexual harassment and assault in the workplace and are more vulnerable to intimate partner violence in the home. Women are more likely to face chronic hunger, become victims of human trafficking, and, due to industries' reliance on a male standard, are more likely to be injured in automobile crashes and experience pharmacological side effects. The Equal Rights Amendment has still not crossed the finish line.

Medical care for men is all-inclusive, regardless of where their condition is located in their body. Women, on the other hand, must find someone who caters to "women’s issues," and then will likely find their "issue" to be under-researched and psychologized.

Movies and books from a female perspective are maligned as "chick flicks" and "chick lit," implying they are something other than essential dramas or comedies—something smaller and less evolved. Moreover, movie audiences are twice as likely to see male characters on the screen than females, even less if you are watching an action movie (16%) or science fiction (8%) (Bloom, 2020). Even when there is a woman on screen, they will only have a dialogue about 22% of the time (Swanson, 2016), and about half of those conversations will not pass the Bechdel test, where at least two women must talk to one another about something other than a man.

Women are taught that their value comes from being very young, traditionally feminine, and able to bear children. When a protest is organized for equal pay, autonomy, and other basic freedoms, the public is told this is a "women’s march" for "women’s rights"…but women’s rights are human rights, aren’t they?


We all suffer from these oppressive systems of injustice. It is not only women who are impacted by gender norms. Traditional male stereotypes negatively impact men’s physical and mental health, including increased risk for violence, depression, suicide, and substance abuse (Levant & Pryor, 2020). Gender inequality is the most intractable injustice of our age. Although women make up 50.8% of the U.S. population, men make up 73% of Congress. We live in a space where predatory male sexual violence is a slap-on-the-wrist offense but women’s agency and sexual self-determination are considered a threat so great as to justify infantilization, intimidation, discrimination, and government regulation.

Contradictory messages
The truth is, you can’t really know much about me because you know that I'm a woman. Yet so much of how the world responds to women is based on gender. Then, within this gendered construct, there are a thousand contradictory messages that women must negotiate every day.

Women are precious—princesses in need of rescue—but we must shoulder a lifetime of abuse, inequity, and gaslighting. We are evaluated in terms of our bodies—our sexuality—yet no matter what we wear, we are in danger of "asking for it" and being "slut shamed." We are held to an unachievable standard of beauty—then, devalued for every flaw, every pound, every passing year. We are called shrill and silenced because after all, "things have gotten so much better" and "not all men are that way." Yet, we still are not paid an equal wage and must fight for the most basic right—the right to have a choice over what happens within our own bodies.

I am not male—I am not female. I am human.

Women’s rights are human rights!
 
Thank you for such a kind and informative response, I do appreciate it. It is reassuring to know that it isn't an all or nothing sort of deal, and I could have a professional life outside of motherhood.

I've spent pretty much the last 10+ years straight grinding for the career that I have now, and I am the sort of neurotically ambitious person that goes a bit mad when she's not working maniacally on some crazy project. My work consumes my life and mind, and I know that my mental state suffers when I am not working in my field, which is what concerns me about pausing my career to be a mother. I'd give anything to not have to put my work on pause just to reproduce, but I guess we all have to play the cards that we are dealt. My grand hope is to find a man who could be the primary homemaker, but I doubt it. Maybe in another life I'll be born with testes and penis.
You never know what will bring you the most happiness and ulfillment in the long run, though. If you are wanting a kid, I can't imagine that changing. So, imagine yourself 30 years from now. Would you be happier having a kid and a career which maybe isn't exactly what it would be otherwise, or would you have achieved everything you wanted in your field but not have kids?

Both are fine, but by the sounds of your posts, I think you know the answer.

You can never predict what the future will bring, though, and you can never tell what ultimately, despite seeming downsides, turns out to be the best thing that ever happened to you.

@AMERICA
Interesting that you cite the age of 40, I once read a graph in one of my text books that showed a 40-year old man's attractiveness is roughly the same at a 30-year old woman's. It's true that past age 30 or so men gain an advantage and are perceived as more attractive, but by 50 or so both men and women are both largely sexually irrelevant. I'll try to find it if I can, interesting stuff.

I read a study one time that both men and women find a certain range ideal for pure physical attractiveness. So a 13 year old girl prefers a 14 year old boy and vice versa. By 18, women are up to 23 or 24, men are 17/18. By 30, women are 36 or whatever, men are 20.

By 35 women prefer 44ish year old men, which is where it tops out even for 60-70 year old women, but for menof 35, it tops out at 23/24 years old for the most attractive women's age. It stays the same for guys who are even 60-70.

But that's just physical attractiveness. A ton of other factors fit into attractiveness, even when just looking at a picture. Like, a top end 24 year old still stuns me by her looks, but I find, all things considered, women in their late thirties to be the most attrac tive to me, generally speaking. And that fits very well with the cut your age in half and add seven formula.
 
You never know what will bring you the most happiness and ulfillment in the long run, though. If you are wanting a kid, I can't imagine that changing. So, imagine yourself 30 years from now. Would you be happier having a kid and a career which maybe isn't exactly what it would be otherwise, or would you have achieved everything you wanted in your field but not have kids?

Both are fine, but by the sounds of your posts, I think you know the answer.

You can never predict what the future will bring, though, and you can never tell what ultimately, despite seeming downsides, turns out to be the best thing that ever happened to you.

@AMERICA


I read a study one time that both men and women find a certain range ideal for pure physical attractiveness. So a 13 year old girl prefers a 14 year old boy and vice versa. By 18, women are up to 23 or 24, men are 17/18. By 30, women are 36 or whatever, men are 20.

By 35 women prefer 44ish year old men, which is where it tops out even for 60-70 year old women, but for menof 35, it tops out at 23/24 years old for the most attractive women's age. It stays the same for guys who are even 60-70.

But that's just physical attractiveness. A ton of other factors fit into attractiveness, even when just looking at a picture. Like, a top end 24 year old still stuns me by her looks, but I find, all things considered, women in their late thirties to be the most attrac tive to me, generally speaking. And that fits very well with the cut your age in half and add seven formula.
Talking to women under 30 makes me want to stab out my ear drums. Sure like looking at them, though.
 
Who the fuck wants to spend time with someone that's not even old enough to legally drink for extended periods after age 30 or so unless they're a creepy weirdo? College age kids are just as annoying and retarded as teens.
Jennie didn't get to go to school nor was she allowed to vote.

Jonnie died in a pointless war.
Dave worked himself to death by 40 to provide for Jennie

But Jennie didn't get to go to college.

Because she's alive, but she's oppressed and the real victim in all of this.
Unless she died giving birth to a chomo baby at age 16. Or got murdered by her husband. Or died of infection after ripping her taint open giving birth. Or any other unpleasant fates that were sadly common for girls and women historically.
 
The author is confusing her “sexual” value for her value. Sure if her entire identity is based around sex and nothing more then she’ll peak in her 20s.

Moreover, if you’re a decent human being and still have your friends and family, they’ll treasure you for a long time. I can assure the author that many people don’t consider their wives, mothers, aunts, sisters, daughters, friends, and neighbors useless after the age of 20.
 
Interesting that you cite the age of 40, I once read a graph in one of my text books that showed a 40-year old man's attractiveness is roughly the same at a 30-year old woman's. It's true that past age 30 or so men gain an advantage and are perceived as more attractive, but by 50 or so both men and women are both largely sexually irrelevant. I'll try to find it if I can, interesting stuff.
I vaguely remember seeing graphs that put it at about 41 as the peak for men. It's a mix of established and still not broken down, but it's a slow curve down from there. Time is kinder to men who take care of themselves.

You never know what will bring you the most happiness and ulfillment in the long run, though. If you are wanting a kid, I can't imagine that changing. So, imagine yourself 30 years from now. Would you be happier having a kid and a career which maybe isn't exactly what it would be otherwise, or would you have achieved everything you wanted in your field but not have kids?

Both are fine, but by the sounds of your posts, I think you know the answer.

You can never predict what the future will bring, though, and you can never tell what ultimately, despite seeming downsides, turns out to be the best thing that ever happened to you.

@AMERICA


I read a study one time that both men and women find a certain range ideal for pure physical attractiveness. So a 13 year old girl prefers a 14 year old boy and vice versa. By 18, women are up to 23 or 24, men are 17/18. By 30, women are 36 or whatever, men are 20.

By 35 women prefer 44ish year old men, which is where it tops out even for 60-70 year old women, but for menof 35, it tops out at 23/24 years old for the most attractive women's age. It stays the same for guys who are even 60-70.

But that's just physical attractiveness. A ton of other factors fit into attractiveness, even when just looking at a picture. Like, a top end 24 year old still stuns me by her looks, but I find, all things considered, women in their late thirties to be the most attrac tive to me, generally speaking. And that fits very well with the cut your age in half and add seven formula.
The shifting doesn't surprise me. Younger women are still nice to look at, but as you get older who has time for all their bullshit games? In theory older people grow out of those, but I think the extended adolescence of modern society is preventing that. I've seen a lot of mid 20s to mid 30s Millennials of both sexes still playing dumb young kid relationship games well after they should have learned better.
 
The problem I see is that it's not an all or nothing scenario. You'll be out of comission, so to speak, for a few years until the kid is in school, likely, but if you have that excellence drive, it will come out again. Maybe in the same career, maybe in something else. That's one thing younger people often don't get. Life takes you weird places, and it's becoming increasingly rare to lock into one career path. Most people jump around to several in their life nowadays.

tl;dr
It's not an all or nothing thing. The kids kind of are, but after a certain point, five, six years, a new balance can be found. And what would show drive more than embracing that?
What is the appeal of having children, especially in this climate?
 
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Unless she died giving birth to a chomo baby at age 16. Or got murdered by her husband. Or died of infection after ripping her taint open giving birth. Or any other unpleasant fates that were sadly common for girls and women historically.
Unless he died of [insert 10,000 fucking things that used to kill men] before 20.

Coal mines. Coal mines are fun.

For fuck's sake, shut up, dyke.
 
Unless he died of [insert 10,000 fucking things that used to kill men] before 20.

Coal mines. Coal mines are fun.

For fuck's sake, shut up, dyke.
But are they as fun as getting forced to marry a pedo at 14 and being raped by him? Or sold into sex slavery by your parents because they couldn't afford another daughter? Or just being straight up killed at birth for having a vagina because people thought it made you worth less (still an issue in parts of the world today)
 
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Yes, yes, schitzo, women are the primary deaths of everything, we get it.

If a man so much as walks by a woman she'll burst into flame, that's why the human race is extinct.
The fuck did I say anything about any of that.

Are you normally this threatened by people pointing out that life has generally been terrible for most of human history, including for women/girls?
 
But are they as fun as getting forced to marry a pedo at 14 and being raped by him? Or sold into sex slavery by your parents because they couldn't afford another daughter? Or just being straight up killed at birth for having a vagina because people thought it made you worth less (still an issue in parts of the world today)
Men traditionally were drafted to die in wars they gave zero shits about and the drafter could be a man or a woman, depending on who had power at the time. Men were also sold into slavery and were often castrated to boot. It just sucked to be alive for basically all humanity ever.
 
But are they as fun as getting forced to marry a pedo at 14 and being raped by him?
idk, how does that stack up against being shamed into fighting in one of the bloodiest wars in human history by some cunt waving a white feather at you only to come back from it missing limbs/eyes/sanity and then being shamed again by the same cunts for not having the decency to die in a muddy trench somewhere, as long as we're dredging up history here to measure oppression-peens
 
Men traditionally were drafted to die in wars they gave zero shits about and the drafter could be a man or a woman, depending on who had power at the time. Men were also sold into slavery and were often castrated to boot. It just sucked to be alive for basically all humanity ever.
Well yeah, which is why tradcels romantisizing the past is retarded
 
The fuck did I say anything about any of that.

Are you normally this threatened by people pointing out that life has generally been terrible for most of human history, including for women/girls?
Nope.

I'd say I know better about how terrible the world is better than your hysterical, sheltered, retarded suburbanite ass.

And you said:

Unless she died giving birth to a chomo baby at age 16. Or got murdered by her husband. Or died of infection after ripping her taint open giving birth. Or any other unpleasant fates that were sadly common for girls and women historically.
But are they as fun as getting forced to marry a pedo at 14 and being raped by him? Or sold into sex slavery by your parents because they couldn't afford another daughter? Or just being straight up killed at birth for having a vagina because people thought it made you worth less (still an issue in parts of the world today)
Just rambling on.

You're right. Jennie had to marry someone.

John had to die.

Poor poor Jennie.
 
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