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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Russia can afford it, but the west can't.
How the fuck does that make sense when Russia's GDP is barely comparable to a single STATE of USA, of which it has fucking 50. And I don't remember US becoming a pariah to the rest of the world.
Would you care to compare their respective military budgets?
 
So which one is it, America didn't ruin its own economy with its constant wars, meaning that Russian counter-sanctions are responsible for the dismantling of the American economy, or America DID ruin its economy with its constant wars, meaning that Russia is NOT responsible for the state of American economy? Can only pick one.
See, the thing about the economy is that you can ruin it, but then it bounces back up again.
America did that shit at least a few times.
Russia too, though what you'd call surviving an economic crash in the US would be living another day in Russia.
Also if the US had crushed its economy, it wouldn't have all those billions to give to those foolish Ukrainians.
Russia can afford it, but the west can't.
lool
I think you have it backwards.

Can't afford to be fat.
Nobody will if the food prices stay as they are lol
 
Aren't you the one who was so vehement in saying Russia won't invade and everything is just "false flags" by MSM and the West? So what happened now? 90+ days and Russia still haven't won? Where's the "World Second Military" now hm? Where's the Master Strategist and Chad in Chief Putin now? In a bunker somewhere?
Lol calm down. It's not an invasion, it's a special military operation. Putin is in his summer home in Sochi, watching US stock markets plummet and laughing.

See, the thing about the economy is that you can ruin it, but then it bounces back up again.
America did that shit at least a few times.
Russia too, though what you'd call surviving an economic crash in the US would be living another day in Russia.
Also if the US had crushed its economy, it wouldn't have all those billions to give to those foolish Ukrainians.
Russia survived it in the 90's, but America never had a crash that bad, at least not since the Great Depression. Ngl, will be interesting to see how burgers react.

lool
I think you have it backwards.
Nope.
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Nobody will if the food prices stay as they are lol
Agreed there.

How the fuck does that make sense when Russia's GDP is barely comparable to a single STATE of USA, of which it has fucking 50. And I don't remember US becoming a pariah to the rest of the world.
Would you care to compare their respective military budgets?
Who gives a shit how big the US GDP is when you can't even get a baby formula factory running during a shortage? Much good that GDP does to the average American when their children can't get their powdered corn syrup.

Also the world isn't just a handful of retarded western europeans and anglos, lol.
 
Russia survived it in the 90's,
Barely survived in the 90s
I was close by. You would not believe the wild west bullshit that happened in Russia after the Soviets ate their last shit.
Say what you want about Putin, but he did a colossal job of making Russia at least resemble a normal country for a while. But all that shit was a long time ago.
but America never had a crash that bad, at least not since the Great Depression. Ngl, will be interesting to see how burgers react.
Who cares how will they react? Shit will be bad either way. Then life will go on lol
I really don't see what you're trying to say here.
Cool chart, whatever about it would be. Could you do it for every other country that supports Ukraine?
Agreed there.
You know the good thing Russia has going for it in all this shit?
Life was always bad there so many won't feel a thing lol
 
who cares about not being able to have some currency from a soon-to-be-failed-state...
You should've been there when the Iraqi dinar thing was happening, and guys were buying fat stacks of dinars to send home; because at any moment Iraqi oil was going to take them to the moon.
 
Barely survived in the 90s
I was close by. You would not believe the wild west bullshit that happened in Russia after the Soviets ate their last shit.
Don't have to tell me, seen it first hand.

Say what you want about Putin, but he did a colossal job of making Russia at least resemble a normal country for a while. But all that shit was a long time ago.
Yeah, agreed. Putin pulled it out of a nosedive and despite all his faults deserves a shit ton of credit for that.

Who cares how will they react? Shit will be bad either way. Then life will go on lol
I really don't see what you're trying to say here.
Not really saying anything. It's morbid curiosity, like watching hungry spiders in a jar cannibalize each other. Some communities like the Mormons will be fine, whereas other more gibs-oriented communities will take it a lot worse.

Cool chart, whatever about it would be. Could you do it for every other country that supports Ukraine?
Sure, here are two more.
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You know the good thing Russia has going for it in all this shit?
Life was always bad there so many won't feel a thing lol
May even improve.

You should've been there when the Iraqi dinar thing was happening, and guys were buying fat stacks of dinars to send home; because at any moment Iraqi oil was going to take them to the moon.
I got a stash of old Soviet rubles somewhere. USSR is totally coming back, you guys... *makes scary face at Estonia, who promptly piss themselves*
 
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Don't have to tell me, seen it first hand.
Bet you could tell some stories about how rationally and peacefully Russia survived a crash lol
Yeah, agreed. Putin pulled it out of a nosedive and despite all his faults deserves a shit ton of credit for that.
Too bad he bet too high and lost all of his legacy in a matter of 3 days.
Not really saying anything. It's morbid curiosity, like watching hungry spiders in a jar cannibalize each other. Some communities like the Mormons will be fine, whereas other more gibs-oriented communities will take it a lot worse.
It's a hard thing to say, but struggle helps society clean up filth.
In America's case there's a lot of filth lining for the food lines already.
Sure, here are two more.
They're still not meaning much tho.
May even improve.
Life improving in Russia?
And I though I was naive for thinking that the Western world has literally nothing to lose compared to what Russia is loosing right now lol
I got a stash of old Soviet rubles somewhere. USSR is totally coming back, you guys... *makes scary face at Estonia, who promptly piss themselves*
See, you're saying similar things like when people say communism hasn't been tried or that say China proves that capitalism and communism can coexhist.
It's pure semantics.
In Russia communism is already there with one ruling head that controls all, just with some international investment laws so as to have a stake in world affairs, which Russia is loosing at a rapid pace.
 
The DAX is a performance index and the CAC is a course index. You cannot compare those two. At the very least do get a grip on the most basic stuff before posting. Anyway here are the major performances of the global stock markets by region:

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Developed Europe: Developed European countries, so no Greece but France, Switzerland, the UK
North America: The US and Canada
Asia Pacific: Mostly, Hong Kong, Australia and South Korea
Japan: Japan
Emerging Markets: China, Taiwan, Brazil, India and so on

Dividends included and on a 1 year basis. The stocks still performed positive for most western countries, excluding Japan. The EM had a harder time a year ago.

Put attention towards the table on the bottom. Here the annual performance is listed. The North American stocks outperformed by a lot. Mainly because tech stocks were the stuff that was growing and growing in evaluation and the US has a lot of those stocks. Lately the very same stocks or rather the sector technology is getting beaten down which failed earnings and the end of cheap money ahead though the FED rates. So the US market is dropping stronger in comparison. Will it go on? No idea. But compared to Russia I can still sell and buy however I want. Cannot say the same about the Russian stock market.

If you want to read into general stock market knowledge I recommend "Common Sense on Mutual Funds".

Anyway. Prices do have the function to steer ecocomic activity in the right direction. Here we historically have high energy prices and even before the price hikes renewables became the cheaper energy source. Plans to increase wind and solar are already underway and that is one of the few positive aspects I can find in the whole debacle (As someone who shills renewables) So thanks for that putin.
 
Bet you could tell some stories about how rationally and peacefully Russia survived a crash lol
Here's a little preview for our Western European friends, who'll get to experience the worst of it.

You know all them arms that were sent to Ukraine? Well, half of them are on the black market now. You thought your local gangs were bad when they stabbed each other with knives? Well, they have RPGs and grenades now. Local terrorist groups got their hands on some NLAWs and Stingers, making every landing in a European airport a nerve-wracking event.
Refugees from MENA will flood every major European city to the point where the police and border guards are unable to control them. Expect refugee camps the size of Jenin to pop up all over, with tens of thousands of hungry mouths to feed. Theft and violence will become an everyday occurrence even in such "safe" European countries like Switzerland.
As a result of being disconnected from cheap Russian energy, the more industrialized countries like Germany will shut down factories and plants, leading to mass unemployment, resulting yet again in violence between the out-of-work locals and hungry refugees.
Hunger and starvation will become commonplace. You'll hear reports of cannibalism but try to brush them off as foreign propaganda, although you yourself have started noticing how your neighbor is looking pretty juicy lately.

Too bad he bet too high and lost all of his legacy in a matter of 3 days.
He would've lost his legacy if he let the west turn Russia into another Ukraine. Now it's still being written.

It's a hard thing to say, but struggle helps society clean up filth.
In America's case there's a lot of filth lining for the food lines already.
I disagree. It will also get rid of a lot of good men. Filth prospers in these times. Expect to see a rise in crimes like extortion, human trafficking, etc.

They're still not meaning much tho.
Well, they mean enough to those who understand. Very general view of the markets, but not a good outlook.

Life improving in Russia?
And I though I was naive for thinking that the Western world has literally nothing to lose compared to what Russia is loosing right now lol
It's been on a steady upwards trend since the 90's. Just like the west has been in a steady downwards trend since the 90s.

See, you're saying similar things like when people say communism hasn't been tried or that say China proves that capitalism and communism can coexhist.
It's pure semantics.
In Russia communism is already there with one ruling head that controls all, just with some international investment laws so as to have a stake in world affairs, which Russia is loosing at a rapid pace.
That was a joke, like communism.
 
You know all them arms that were sent to Ukraine? Well, half of them are on the black market now. You thought your local gangs were bad when they stabbed each other with knives? Well, they have RPGs and grenades now. Local terrorist groups got their hands on some NLAWs and Stingers, making every landing in a European airport a nerve-wracking event.
Refugees from MENA will flood every major European city to the point where the police and border guards are unable to control them. Expect refugee camps the size of Jenin to pop up all over, with tens of thousands of hungry mouths to feed. Theft and violence will become an everyday occurrence even in such "safe" European countries like Switzerland.
As a result of being disconnected from cheap Russian energy, the more industrialized countries like Germany will shut down factories and plants, leading to mass unemployment, resulting yet again in violence between the out-of-work locals and hungry refugees.
Hunger and starvation will become commonplace. You'll hear reports of cannibalism but try to brush them off as foreign propaganda, although you yourself have started noticing how your neighbor is looking pretty juicy lately.
So... Russia?
 
So... Russia?
Take Russia in the 90's, add hordes of refugees, add a societal split between degenerate leftists and far-right nationalists, and remove any shred of self-sufficiency in terms of food and energy. Then maybe you can start understanding the levels of catastrophe that will engulf Europe soon. That's why Putin hasn't stopped laughing in weeks.
 
Here's a not so little preview for our Western European friends, who'll get to experience the worst of it.
Gun smuggling.
Russia has been doing that.
Violent urban crime.
Muslimmigrants have been doing that.
Refugees will flood Europe.
Muslimmigrants have been doing that.
Although the dramatic tail is too much. Migrants don't stay in shitty places, but go to where there's money to be had.
Also, even those cucks in Sweden have been realizing that maybe letting the migrants run rampant wasn't the best idea.
And if shit goes down, no amount of rpgs, machine guns, grenades, whatever will help some backwater shitstain gang when the cops are still better equipped, let alone better trained.
Expect refugee camps
Russia is doing that right now for its spoils of war.
with tens of thousands of hungry mouths to feed
Alright, I'm going to skip the rest of your fanfiction, besides this last point.
Migrants don't go where there's no shit to be had. If they won't get even fucking food, they won't stick around.
Let's also say the worst happens and tens of thousand will go ape shit, which they won't since migrant are by no means a united horde that you imply. What will happen though is they'll start fucking up each other, while the civil populace will take out the rest.
He would've lost his legacy if he let the west turn Russia into another Ukraine. Now it's still being written.
Are you retarded?
Putin has absolutely no respect internationally and it is basically illegal to criticize him on his own turf.
This isn't the Stalin age and the youth of today aren't backwater, illiterate peasants. His legacy is long gone solely because of Ukraine.
I disagree. It will also get rid of a lot of good men. Filth prospers in these times. Expect to see a rise in crimes like extortion, human trafficking, etc.
Then maybe you shouldn't start a fucking war that'd escalate the loss of good men, including over 10k of your own.
Well, they mean enough to those who understand. Very general view of the markets, but not a good outlook.
Retard, like I told you before, the economy isn't a building that if it crashes, it's gone.
It's more like an ever waving rubber band that yyou can stretch too hard or some shit.
Give it until the end of the year, then we'll see if Russia's super economy will survive, or the West's fake billion dollar aid supporting non economy will.
It's been on a steady upwards trend since the 90's.
Which stopped about 10 years ago and was stuck in the big cities only lol
Not even the military managed to use the gains properly. Shit is totally wasted, more so that what's being wasted in the West these days.
Just like the west has been in a steady downwards trend since the 90s.
Yeah breh. And people still invest and travel to life in the west far more than they do to the east lol
That was a joke, like communism.
Jokes aside, you're barking mad if you think Russia has any chance of walking off this with Scott Free.
 
Bruh, 30 000 killed and 2 000 tanks destroyed is what Ukraine claim.
Russian opposition estimates the number to be 6-8 000 killed, russian officials confirm about 2500 killed.
Dont jump on ukranian claims, its the same liars as in russia.
 
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Russia has been doing that.

Muslimmigrants have been doing that.

Muslimmigrants have been doing that.
Although the dramatic tail is too much. Migrants don't stay in shitty places, but go to where there's money to be had.
Also, even those cucks in Sweden have been realizing that maybe letting the migrants run rampant wasn't the best idea.
And if shit goes down, no amount of rpgs, machine guns, grenades, whatever will help some backwater shitstain gang when the cops are still better equipped, let alone better trained.

Russia is doing that right now for its spoils of war.

Alright, I'm going to skip the rest of your fanfiction, besides this last point.
Migrants don't go where there's no shit to be had. If they won't get even fucking food, they won't stick around.
Let's also say the worst happens and tens of thousand will go ape shit, which they won't since migrant are by no means a united horde that you imply. What will happen though is they'll start fucking up each other, while the civil populace will take out the rest.

Are you retarded?
Putin has absolutely no respect internationally and it is basically illegal to criticize him on his own turf.
This isn't the Stalin age and the youth of today aren't backwater, illiterate peasants. His legacy is long gone solely because of Ukraine.

Then maybe you shouldn't start a fucking war that'd escalate the loss of good men, including over 10k of your own.

Retard, like I told you before, the economy isn't a building that if it crashes, it's gone.
It's more like an ever waving rubber band that yyou can stretch too hard or some shit.
Give it until the end of the year, then we'll see if Russia's super economy will survive, or the West's fake billion dollar aid supporting non economy will.

Which stopped about 10 years ago and was stuck in the big cities only lol
Not even the military managed to use the gains properly. Shit is totally wasted, more so that what's being wasted in the West these days.

Yeah breh. And people still invest and travel to life in the west far more than they do to the east lol

Jokes aside, you're barking mad if you think Russia has any chance of walking off this with Scott Free.
You seem to forget that the world isn't just western europe and some English-speaking countries. Putin already got away with it. Europe is buying gas in rubles. China and India are trading with Russia. No one cares.

Also if you think what happened to Europe in the last 5-10 years from refugees was bad, just wait few more months. What was it that Erdogan said about weaponizing the Islamic womb?
 
You seem to forget that the world isn't just western europe and some English-speaking countries. Putin already got away with it. Europe is buying gas in rubles. China and India are trading with Russia. No one cares.
China and India will screw Russia in the end because they have the trade advantage, besides them being gypsy crooks, since that stupid Europe who used to pay buck for Russian energy is now pushing for energy independence from Russia, which started a fucking war lol
This is what I'm telling you about the economy, Russia is literally taking a slippery dumb on the last few rocks it's standing on. You can bump up the rubble all you want, but you can't sustain it if you're the shit ass fuckstain of international trade.
 
China and India will screw Russia in the end because they have the trade advantage, besides them being gypsy crooks, since that stupid Europe who used to pay buck for Russian energy is now pushing for energy independence from Russia, which started a fucking war lol
This is what I'm telling you about the economy, Russia is literally taking a slippery dumb on the last few rocks it's standing on. You can bump up the rubble all you want, but you can't sustain it if you're the shit ass fuckstain of international trade.
How well is that European green energy independence coming along? Oh right.

And the best part is? Guess who they buy coal from.
 
How well is that European green energy independence is coming along? Oh right.
Stating again that the sky could be blue, aren't you?
And the best part is? Guess who they buy coal from.
Now I see why people just can't with this level of stupidity lol
I won't keep repeating the same shit over and over again.
 
Stating again that the sky could be blue, aren't you?

Now I see why people just can't with this level of stupidity lol
I won't keep repeating the same shit over and over again.
Answer this. How long will it take Europe to become "energy independent" from Russia, and how damaging will it be to European economies? Because as much as you hate admitting it, Putin has you Euros by the balls and unless you want to go back to heating your homes and running your factories with cow patties, you'll have to play ball sooner or later. The sooner your countries stop supporting America's disastrous war in the Ukraine, the sooner you can go back to normalcy.
 
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