Crime Gunman at a Texas elementary school kills 19 students and two adults before being fatally shot, officials say - yeehaw

(CNN)A suspect is in custody after a shooting incident at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, left at least two dead and injured 14 people, including students, authorities said.

The Uvalde Consolidated Independent School District (UCISD) posted about an "active shooter" at Robb Elementary at 12:17 p.m. local time and said law enforcement was on site.

The suspect was taken into custody as of 1:06 p.m. local time, according to the Uvalde Police Department.
Two have died after the shooting at Robb Elementary School, a spokesperson from Uvalde Memorial Hospital told CNN.

The hospital received 13 children at their facility who were being treated for varying injuries, he said. Two children were transported to San Antonio and another is pending transfer, Tom Nordwick said.

Additionally, two patients were dead on arrival, he said. Nordwick was not sure of the ages of the two deceased. A man in his 40s was also being treated there, he said.

Nordwick did not have conditions on any of the victims.

This is a developing story and will be updated.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/24/us/uvalde-texas-elementary-school-shooting/index.html

 

[UmQasaan]

I'm not signing in just to view a video you linked to; if you absolutely need it to make your point then post the video, or just say you can't express yourself without using visual aids

My point was already made in my long reply. There’s no need to elaborate on why I responded to a meme rebuttal with an equally shallow one.

 

[R00T]

The cops seemed to have fucked up here, but there are plenty of cases where cop acted bravely and stopped a shooter. The social media narrative about cops never helping is fucking asinine.

One that comes to immediately to mind is the Congressional Baseball shooting, where the cops working as security engaged immediately, responders also engaged immediately, and stopped the shooter from shooting any more at his intended targets.

We don't hear much about cops stopping shooters because "crazy man waving gun around gets blown away before he can do anything" doesn't make for a new story you can milk.

twice now (parkland and uvalde) a school shooting has occurred in which the police sat outside and watched while children were being murdered by psychopaths.

It really speaks volumes when police pick up their guns and prepare to throw down their lives so senators can play baseball, but shut down when it comes time to protect a child trying to learn.

 

[WeDon'tNeedToWhisper]

Just caught up with the Tucker segment on the shooting... Skipping over the rest of it, something really stood out to me and I'm wondering if anyone else has confirmation. Apparently at one point, law enforcement, while not having visual contact with the suspect but while the suspect was still firing shots, instructed the kids to call out to cops. One of the kids is said to have done so and then been executed by the gunman.


Alright, I'm not going to sit here and play armchair tactician TOO much since I don't have that official training - but what the everliving fuck? Again, I'm not an expert and my knowledge of cop procedure is a blend of movies, vidya and mildly autistic reading about such shit, but I'm pretty sure it's both common sense and tactical wisdom to not do that kind of shit. If you have visual contact with the shooter, maybe, since then you can watch his movements if he does turn to shoot someone that calls out. But telling a bunch of kids to cry out like that, expecting a child to know how to know if the shooter can see them or is near them or not, while petrified with fear?

No, seriously, I'm starting to wonder if a fucking team of professional video game streamers could have come up with a more effective tactical response (minus the physical labor part of course) than the actual cops did.

A fourth grader who survived the mass shooting at Robb Elementary has shared gut-wrenching details about what he witnessed inside that classroom.
"He shot the next person’s door. We have a door in the middle. He opened it. He came in and he crouched a little bit and he said, he said, 'It's time to die,'" the boy recalled.

Authorities say the suspect barricaded himself inside a classroom and opened fire on the people inside, killing 19 children and two teachers before he was killed by law enforcement.

"When I heard the shooting through the door, I told my friend to hide under something so he won't find us," he said. “I was hiding hard. And I was telling my friend to not talk because he is going to hear us.”

The boy and four others hid under a table that had a tablecloth over it, which may have shielded them from the shooter's view and saved their lives. The boy shared heartbreaking details about what happened in that room.

“When the cops came, the cop said: 'Yell if you need help!' And one of the persons in my class said 'help.' The guy overheard and he came in and shot her," the boy said. "The cop barged into that classroom. The guy shot at the cop. And the cops started shooting.”

He said that once the shooting stopped, he came out from under the table.
“I just opened the curtain. And I just put my hand out,” he said. "I got out with my friend. I knew it was police. I saw the armor and the shield.” archive
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I believe the kid, but the rest of it contradicts everything else I've heard, which has already been contradicted by the latest info before that.

Will change, I'm sure. He was on campus for 90 minutes, which someone must take some gd responsibility for. Although, I think the kids had been dead for awhile already, which makes it worse.

 

[MrJokerRager]

A fourth grader who survived the mass shooting at Robb Elementary has shared gut-wrenching details about what he witnessed inside that classroom.
"He shot the next person’s door. We have a door in the middle. He opened it. He came in and he crouched a little bit and he said, he said, 'It's time to die,'" the boy recalled.

Authorities say the suspect barricaded himself inside a classroom and opened fire on the people inside, killing 19 children and two teachers before he was killed by law enforcement.

"When I heard the shooting through the door, I told my friend to hide under something so he won't find us," he said. “I was hiding hard. And I was telling my friend to not talk because he is going to hear us.”

The boy and four others hid under a table that had a tablecloth over it, which may have shielded them from the shooter's view and saved their lives. The boy shared heartbreaking details about what happened in that room.

“When the cops came, the cop said: 'Yell if you need help!' And one of the persons in my class said 'help.' The guy overheard and he came in and shot her," the boy said. "The cop barged into that classroom. The guy shot at the cop. And the cops started shooting.”

He said that once the shooting stopped, he came out from under the table.
“I just opened the curtain. And I just put my hand out,” he said. "I got out with my friend. I knew it was police. I saw the armor and the shield.” archive
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I believe the kid, but the rest of it contradicts everything else I've heard, which has already been contradicted by the latest info before that.

Will change, I'm sure. He was on campus for 90 minutes, which someone must take some gd responsibility for. Although, I think the kids had been dead for awhile already, which makes it worse.
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Well I hope that subhuman spic got plugged full of holes to the point he looks unrecognizable.

 

[Stoneheart]

“I was hiding hard. And I was telling my friend to not talk because he is going to hear us.”

why was only one kids able to hide hard? should there be more hide and seek training in school?

 

[Wally]

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There is no excuse for not locking the doors after 9am.

 

[Common Shadow]

The paranoia has spread to other countries instead of state-side.

Toronto police killed a man that was just CARRYING a gun near schools.

As far as I can tell from the report, dude was just strolling around the neighborhood; he showed no aggression, no signs of walking onto school grounds and no reason for the cops to go from 0 to die. Keep in mind, this is in CANADA, not the U.S. Why this hasn't sparked outrage among the community? Because people feel this was justified after a historic shooting, but if this was at ANY other time, there would be repercussions. Double standards of the worst order.

"Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."


EDIT: He was carrying a pellet gun

 

[ForTheHoard]

Twitter Dump


Current top comment for "Daniel Defense" on Twitter. An amazing point followed by shit that can be used to discount your opinion.













To be fair, the majority of the tweets from non-blue checks are questioning who gave the poor kid 80 grand worth of goods to go on a killing spree with.

 

[JambledUpWords]

Michelle really taking after her husband in trashy takes

 

[quaawaa]

The best response to this is to find her kids' names, and comment "Only A, B, C, D are not worth saving" (CNN says she is a mother of four).
Very dark humor, but people who try to manipulate others' emotions deserve to have theirs manipulated.

 

[PS1gamenwatch]

Not Twitter but Wrestlecrap forum Craphole has a thread and their reactions are so

I agree with the first but the other two not much. Yeah it’s gonna be a long half year with politicians making this about Gun control vs Mental Health.

 

[OldSchoolBoxxu]

Michelle really taking after her husband in trashy takes
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She pulled a Boogie and made it about her

 

[The Dude]

Because emotional knee-jerk reactions are totally the best way to go about drafting new laws. Going off of well-researched information with a rational, cool head is only something racists and baby killers do.

 

[JambledUpWords]

Define “assault weapon” and how that’s different from a gun

 

[The Dude]

Define “assault weapon” and how that’s different from a gun
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And yet, fewer people are killed by them every year than handguns, knives, or even blunt force weapons. And let's likewise ignore the literal millions of "assault weapons" that are in circulation, owned by law abiding people who just want to exercise their 2A rights in peace, all because of a tragedy that's being sensationalized by the media while they ignore the homicide rates in places like Chicago, L.A., Oakland, New Orleans, etc. Because gang violence and colored people shooting other colored people doesn't fit the narrative and is racist to even bring up.

 

[Beowulf_Polaris]

This goes without saying, but I really wish pathetic pieces of shit like this would take their bullshit out onto themselves and blow their brains out on stream or something if they want attention rather taking it out on a bunch of innocent children who were tragically robbed of a chance at becoming an adult with aspirations Good or bad.
This is beyond heart breaking and I can’t imagine being one those victims poor parents who are being harassed online by the media and other crazy people after losing their only sunshine. I don’t know how I’m going to be able to raise children into such a dark and scary world. Whenever my wife and I decide to have kids. We will do our absolute best to raise them and to protect them. That’s all you can do.

 

[Club Sandwich]

having been a sheriff's deputy for a number of years (and having worked as a resource officer at the county truancy desk for a school year), i can't find too much fault in the police response apart from it being badly outdated. contain, search, and apprehend is from the 1970's and even the more modern (and what i was taught at POST) 80's/90's era secure exit, identify threat (or locate), evacuate and guard. breach when backup arrives, perimeter is organic to breaching (if you can, do so, but breaching once you have manpower for fire superiority and searching through buildings was more important, it was taught). bear in mind this was before patrol rifles were common.

the modern approach (since around 2010 ?) has been single patrol/first response breach, contact, and clear - the first officers on the scene BCC. if that's just you without a partner, sucks to be you.

from browsing the department's city hiring records they have like 10 people total in their police department, 4 of which are admins. and the pay rate from the tax base isn't likely to be enough to keep the entire department funded while also paying for gear and training in modern policing. i will bet you that they rode on a county or state POST system where the training was individualized through a sponsor program (a promise to hire if the candidate passes), then they had to buy their own gear or get issued hand me down gear, maybe some new stuff if the department was recently incorporated. combined with what appears to be anemic leadership and poor tactical awareness and situational control (which are skills that are taught and not typically something that is intuitive), and probably highlighted top-down interference from kid-glove friendly policies to avoid scandal with social justice stuff, and i can see hesitation being a thing.

that's where the leadership comes in as being wholly inadequate. police have no legal obligation to protect individual members of the public, only the public at large, and even then, circumstances will dictate the response to use by allowed departmental policy and training (some departments are not authorized to do certain things for political reasons, and it's not like the police can countermand this if it's coming from a state executive - the police are an executive agency).

in this situation, the moment there was an opportunity and means to perform breach, contact, and clear, it should have been done immediately. if there was little chance of very fast backup, then solo entry should be done. when other units arrive, they can contain and evacuate. this is the currently thought of ideal response to an active shooter in this situation without additional accomplices or the threat of a bomb or something.

edit: also since i saw this somewhere in the thread: typically POST is between 3-6 months long for police training, but some places can have as little as 3 weeks. generally that is the formal classroom instruction and virtually all incorporated departments in the US have an additional 2 years of supervised training "on-the-job", with additional training for specific positions. in the county i worked, patrol officers had to have at least 10000 hours of police experience/training in a variety of positions in the department before being allowed general patrol duties.

 

[anti SJW]

 

[Smithfield Ham]

You guys ever watch The Boys? You ever see that one clip of The Homelander telling a bunch of people on a crashing plane that he won't save them, and when they beg for their lives he screams at them and tries to make them feel guilty for inconveniencing him?

That's these cops.

 

[Bungus Scrungus]

Well Elon Musk gave his thoughts.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1529545102447759366

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I agree that we should do more vetting, cause if criminals can't buy guns, there needs to be vetting for people with mental illnesses. Yeah, I know, "GOVERNMENT COULD DEFINE IT DIFFERENTLY" but fuck it dude, if they wanted to forcefully take them they would, so it's just an unnecessary risk. The rest of what he said was stupid as hell, though.