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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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West isn't interested in listening to anyone not already proclaiming Ukrainian victory (plenty of "experts" getting 'cancelled' for suggesting Russia is winning).

Russia is living in it's own dimension, nobody will step out of line that is supporting putin unless they're safe in the west and then you HAVE TO question whether or not they're for real or for pay.

Nah, I'm no supporter of "Both sides are wrong", Russia is objectively invading a sovereign nation but both sides lie, I'm biased towards the western media MORE lately if only because I've started seeing news about Ukrainian soldiers going AWOL, complaining about feeling abandoned, used as cannon fodder and then arrested by UA security forces for talking to western media, which I'm sure is real as it pertains to conscripts in Luganks who had precisely zero time to be trained.

Russian media on the other hand... well, there is one fucko in this thread who basically translates all of the current narratives going on there (to a point where you might as well be talking to a russian propaganda bus), not a drop of negativity so not a drop of truth.

Western media is biased to shit though, I can't trust them with anything, I remember covid and all the experts talking and lately western media is testing how much support is there for the Kissinger option more and more. Fuck em all.

Ukraine isn't a real country. It has much less legitimacy than Israel. It is a frankenstein made up of russians larping as vikings, russians, poles, huns and romanians.

Also quoting msn and ukranian webpages. Sam Hydenko is currently beating up Putin, trust me I read it on Gawker and Reddiyt/Ukraiyne.
 
So, Germany once again... Germanies.
https://twitter.com/StarboyHK/status/1530420997135863811

You see, if Europe doesn't buy oil from Putin, he'll sell it elsewhere at higher prices. Not sure the market really works that way when a seller has limited options, but okay.

And of course, the easy solution to its problems Germany continues to avoid considering:
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There's powerful Krautery at work here. The Kraut will lie. The Kraut will plunder. The Kraut will use words he don't really unnastan.
 
So, Germany once again... Germanies.
https://twitter.com/StarboyHK/status/1530420997135863811

You see, if Europe doesn't buy oil from Putin, he'll sell it elsewhere at higher prices. Not sure the market really works that way when a seller has limited options, but okay.

And of course, the easy solution to its problems Germany continues to avoid considering:
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There's powerful Krautery at work here. The Kraut will lie. The Kraut will plunder. The Kraut will use words he don't really unnastan.

China and India are thirsty for gas and oil. West=/=world. Be less colonial, it is current year, and unfortunately the sun does set on Bongistan.

You can lead a Kraut to plutonium, but the judensau has broken him too much to use it. Maybe they could put Greta in a threadmill.
 
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So, Germany once again... Germanies.
https://twitter.com/StarboyHK/status/1530420997135863811

You see, if Europe doesn't buy oil from Putin, he'll sell it elsewhere at higher prices. Not sure the market really works that way when a seller has limited options, but okay.
it's asinine. if there were buyers willing to buy from russia at higher price point than europe (for what reason exactly?) they would have already been doing that for years and years long before this war.
all this "ha ha we will just sell to china and be better off than with dirty westoids" is pure cope, because if they were actually better off that way they would already have gone that way like 10+ years ago instead of staying with the supposedly inferior west until cut off by force.
 
it's asinine. if there were buyers willing to buy from russia at higher price point than europe (for what reason exactly?) they would have already been doing that for years and years long before this war.
all this "ha ha we will just sell to china and be better off than with dirty westoids" is pure cope, because if they were actually better off that way they would already have gone that way like 10+ years ago instead of staying with the supposedly inferior west until cut off by force.

I don't think they buy it at a higher price. I think they just buy more, but cheaper on the barrel.

As to the Krauts, it was to keep the Kraut on the down-low with leverage.
No rational actor could have forseen the Eu imploding their economy to just make a statement for Russia's front porch.

I am sure that if Russian State apointed Hunter Biden for Krokodil Minister, they could have invaded Kiyyiyiyv without a peep from the White House.

Eu is necking itself because a crackhead's money laundering got butt blasted. Crackerfly effect.
 
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One element with Operation Barbarossa logistics were horses suitable for pulling carts and carrying men. The German invasion has a substantial horse drawn element, and given the limited oil sources like Rumania, it couldn't have been otherwise. Did the Red Army have sufficient horses suitable for the carriage and goods and men? However collectivisation had a severely deleterious effect on the numbers of horses for drawing ploughs and pulling carts.

The front line seems to be back and forth on those Donbas fronts.
 
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West isn't interested in listening to anyone not already proclaiming Ukrainian victory (plenty of "experts" getting 'cancelled' for suggesting Russia is winning).

Russia is living in it's own dimension, nobody will step out of line that is supporting putin unless they're safe in the west and then you HAVE TO question whether or not they're for real or for pay.

Nah, I'm no supporter of "Both sides are wrong", Russia is objectively invading a sovereign nation but both sides lie, I'm biased towards the western media MORE lately if only because I've started seeing news about Ukrainian soldiers going AWOL, complaining about feeling abandoned, used as cannon fodder and then arrested by UA security forces for talking to western media, which I'm sure is real as it pertains to conscripts in Luganks who had precisely zero time to be trained.

Russian media on the other hand... well, there is one fucko in this thread who basically translates all of the current narratives going on there (to a point where you might as well be talking to a russian propaganda bus), not a drop of negativity so not a drop of truth.

Western media is biased to shit though, I can't trust them with anything, I remember covid and all the experts talking and lately western media is testing how much support is there for the Kissinger option more and more. Fuck em all.

Russian propaganda machine is probably the best and most powerful than of any country or entity. It's central coordinated, seemingly unlimitd budget, they can push a simple message and complicated multi-step plots through many channels.

RF has full control of state media, TV, printed and electronic. If they need to push some narrative, they do it in unison, and yes, there are literally written instructions what to say, how to say it, and I bet a lot of analysts coordinating. They have well developed foreign networks of useful idiots, media bloggers, "journos" and even politicians on payroll ... because there is no transparency on the budget and one source of control. Total domestic censorship and oppression.

For all the russia-tards who want to scream but West ... show me one person arrested in the west standing alone with 8x11 sheet of paper saying "peace" ... lol, or just holding a fucking War and Peace book. You can't.

The RF propaganda is at every level, starting with putin himself. In a span of just two years he can completely change his public narrative 180deg and most people still tune in to listen to what he has to say. I don't know how it works sociologically, but it does.

Dude literally said "it's not our soldiers" then "we never said there weren't our soldiers" "those were our soldiers" in very public forums. Any other person who'd pull that shit would never be trusted again, but russia bros pull it off. I don't know how, but this is one thing that they actually do well.

US, West, Ukraine can all post dubious shit, selfish shit, weak sauce propaganda but it's not even on the same order of magnitude what Russia puts out, not even fucking close, not even by a long shot.
 
Dude literally said "it's not our soldiers" then "we never said there weren't our soldiers" "those were our soldiers" in very public forums. Any other person who'd pull that shit would never be trusted again, but russia bros pull it off. I don't know how, but this is one thing that they actually do well.

The RF propaganda is at every level, starting with putin himself. In a span of just two years he can completely change his public narrative 180deg and most people still tune in to listen to what he has to say. I don't know how it works sociologically, but it does.
Whatever genes allow some people to think for themselves have been thoroughly removed from the russian genome via gulag eugenics program and westward migration brain drain during more liberal times, whoever is left knows way better than to stir the pot of shit because, let's be honest, very few would go and potentially die trying to fight dictator and system for a better future of a country and people they probably despise.
 
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Ukraine isn't a real country. It has much less legitimacy than Israel. It is a frankenstein made up of russians larping as vikings, russians, poles, huns and romanians.

Also quoting msn and ukranian webpages. Sam Hydenko is currently beating up Putin, trust me I read it on Gawker and Reddiyt/Ukraiyne.
An anime/Nazi-oid Down Syndrome baby from a country with a permanent TRIANON talks about legitimacy.

pfft.
 
Dude, you're literally talking nonsense.
No, you guys are being obtuse. There are limits to what you can push down a rail line. Through a break-of-gauge. We are seeing it RIGHT NOW as Ukraine tries to export it's grain.

Extrapolate that to an entire front during WW2. It doesn't matter how much war materiel they had in their homeland. Getting it to the front and supplying it is the bottleneck. There was no viable way to send even more war-winning wunderwaffe to the front. The logistics network was at it's full capacity.

Do you get that? The choo-choos were full. Not fighting the west doesn't magically make them unfull.
 
No, you guys are being obtuse. There are limits to what you can push down a rail line. Through a break-of-gauge. We are seeing it RIGHT NOW as Ukraine tries to export it's grain.

Extrapolate that to an entire front during WW2. It doesn't matter how much war materiel they had in their homeland. Getting it to the front and supplying it is the bottleneck. There was no viable way to send even more war-winning wunderwaffe to the front. The logistics network was at it's full capacity.

Do you get that? The choo-choos were full. Not fighting the west doesn't magically make them unfull.
Okay, so, forgive me for repeating the point. But you first said:
You are making the argument that because he turned those other valves on it somehow shrunk the size of that hose to Moscow. It didn't.
But then you said:
Whatever happens in the east is limited by the logistics network in the east.
I don't get that.
 
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China and India are thirsty for gas and oil. West=/=world. Be less colonial, it is current year, and unfortunately the sun does set on Bongistan.

You can lead a Kraut to plutonium, but the judensau has broken him too much to use it. Maybe they could put Greta in a threadmill.
China and India are also at each other's throats. When that war becomes a shooting war, who will Russia side with? Because that is not a stable alliance.

Also, the West (USA/EU) controls up to 35 trillion in USD per year. I highly doubt the rest of the world can come even close to that. Even BRICS at most can come up with 21 trillion, and that's before you factor in the fact that China and India can't wait to shoot each other.

Ukraine isn't a real country. It has much less legitimacy than Israel. It is a frankenstein made up of russians larping as vikings, russians, poles, huns and romanians.

Also quoting msn and ukranian webpages. Sam Hydenko is currently beating up Putin, trust me I read it on Gawker and Reddiyt/Ukraiyne.
Ukraine has been an independent country for over 1000 years. If anything, Moscow should be taking Kiev's orders, not the other way around, since Kiev practically shaped Russian culture by bringing Byzantine models of government and religion to the region.

Also, it's hard to take you seriously when all you post is Russian propaganda.
 
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Okay, so, forgive me for repeating the point. But you first said:

But then you said:

I don't get that.
What is there to not get? Forces committed to the west had sweet fuckall to do with logistics capability in the east. A France-bound train couldn't get turned around and sent to Moscow to help out. Wrong gauge and the rail timetable was already full.

Therefore sending that train to France (opening the western valve in my analogy) did not impair the ability to send everything possible to the east (close the valve in that direction). They never stopped sending everything they could into Russia. They were just maxed out in the capability of that rail network.
 
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What is there to not get? Forces committed to the west had sweet fuckall to do with logistics capability in the east. Wrong gauge and the rail timetable was already full.

Therefore sending that train to France (opening the western valve in my analogy) did not impair the ability to send everything possible to the east (close the valve in that direction). They never stopped sending everything they could into Russia. They were just maxed out in the capability of that rail network.
I don't think you understand what I don't get. First you said that Darth Vader said, that if you send supplies across multiple places instead of say one place, that one place will receive less supply or lose the one it has, to which you said that doesn't happen. Then you said the exact opposite, that the logistics of one place is limited to that place, which is true, but it doesn't change the fact that if you spread out supply, you'll have less supply to to send just one way instead of multiple ways. That's why I said it's nonsense.
A France-bound train couldn't get turned around and sent to Moscow to help out.
Dude. It can. Trains can go back and forth. If you have an excess of supply in one place, you can send it back or to another place. What the fuck?
 
Whatever genes allow some people to think for themselves have been thoroughly removed from the russian genome via gulag eugenics program and westward migration brain drain during more liberal times, whoever is left knows way better than to stir the pot of shit because, let's be honest, very few would go and potentially die trying to fight dictator and system for a better future of a country and people they probably despise.

A lot of Russians people used to meet in the West during the cold war were few intellectuals who had a chance to get the fuck out before shit started going bad and were extremely lucky to accomplish this, no small feat. They were intelligent, well educated, played music and chess, listened to Chaikovsky and enjoyed fine arts. That's not the reality of 99.99999% of Russia. These kinds of people were persecuted and mocked in favor of stronk, masculine women digging dirt and men dying for whatever war.

This is exactly the image most people in the West think of Putin, no matter how many times I'd explain to them that his speech, his vocabulary is on the level of a street punk, gopnik, who can't string a coherent sentence and speaks like a fag on a vulgar street jargon.


In February, Putin famously spoke about Ukraine "like it or not, bear it, my darling ..." Yeah, that was really funny to a lot of people. But do you know what that's from? That's a part of street, edgelord dark humor, the full refrain goes like this:

My sweety (dead) in a coffin
I lie next, fucking her
Like it or not,
Bear it, my darling

It's an edge-lord dark humor gopnicks typically swap while squatting and drinking cheap booze. I grew up in a working class 'hood, I know these Putins real well. But here we are, a tsar gopnik in charge of a nuclear power.



Since last week, there is a sudden push to get Ukrainians to talk, starting from NYT article, then statement from dead body of Kissinger, then few other sources foisting similar theme that land concessions must be made to secure peace. And just like that, suddenly we go to full on grain crisis and RF blackmail blockade to "remove sanctions" that Russians were saying are totally beneficial to them.

Biggest (by far) arms dealers to Russia, Germany and France, called Putin:

To follow up on the previous contacts in this format, the leaders exchanged views on the most recent developments in Ukraine. The President of Russia informed the other parties at length about the latest events in the context of the ongoing special military operation, noting that the Russian Armed Forces are strictly observing the norms of international humanitarian law, and spoke about the systematic work being carried out to establish peaceful life in Mariupol and other liberated cities in Donbass.

Meanwhile WaPo holds another narrative:

Russia claims capture of key transport hub, as Zelensky remains defiant​


the problem it's not just Zelensky's call. Pretty much every advisor and person of note in his cabinet, including civic leaders stand firm that loosing territory to appease and aggressor is not acceptable. Zelensky isn't the monke tsar of Ukraine. Ukraine has been rotating it's presidents (good and bad), not held on person in power for over 20 years. A lot of Russian soldiers literally were born, raised and died with Putin in the office.


As Russian latest offensive is running out of steam, on all directions where they try to grab land, they are digging in 2-3 layers of defense. Hence the "talks" narrative all of a sudden. They need a breather to regroup, but they are def mobilizing more people and pulling more equipment. I don't think that even land concessions will end this, not for anything longer than few months.
 
it doesn't change the fact that if you spread out supply, you'll have less supply to to send just one way instead of multiple ways.
Dude. It can. Trains can go back and forth. If you have an excess of supply in one place, you can send it back or to another place. What the fuck?
Here's your problem. You assume you can send tonnage down a rail line at an infinite rate. You can't. There is a limit. You can only send, say, a train every hour. If you send more it will cause a traffic jam as all the sidings and depots fill up. This is all governed by strict timetables.

The Germans were already sending the maximum amount of trains down those lines they could. Having more supplies to send doesn't help. Having more trains to send doesn't help.

Choo-choo full. Timetable full. To send more you need to build another parallel rail line. It's full.
 
Here's your problem. You assume you can send tonnage down a rail line at an infinite rate. You can't. There is a limit.
Which would make spreading supply in smaller limits easier.
You can only send, say, a train every hour. If you send more it will cause a traffic jam
Even with one hour in between, in a closed off rail due to, you know, a world war, that still leaves a shit ton of space to work with. To send word and get supplies from one destination to another could take a few days, maybe even a week at most. You can still move it back and forth pretty fucking easy.
as all the sidings and depots fill up.
Yeah. That's why it's a good idea to spread out supply lol
This is all governed by strict timetables.
In war on two fronts? The fuck it is.
The Germans were already sending the maximum amount of trains down those lines they could. Having more supplies to send doesn't help. Having more trains to send doesn't help.
You somehow assume that Germans had some kind of insane if not infinite amount of supplies to send everywhere and that those timetables you mentioned are always perfect, everything works on time and logistics only needs to work one way.
I mean, you seem to know your minute history about this shit, definitelly better thann I do, but about this logistics stuff, you're talking nonsense.
Choo-choo full. Timetable full. To send more you need to build another parallel rail line. It's full.
You don't though. Even if a train has to go through multiple station to get to a far away station, it still needs to get passed said stations, which means they have to slow down, which also means, if word is out that the train will need to go elsewhere, it only takes a phone call and a handful of railway workers to flash some light by the station rail to get the message to the driver.
 
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