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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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You are free to stan Azov as much as you like, no one is going to duct tape you to a pole and whip you here.
You are free to call them Nazis all day, but that doesn't change the fact that they're about as Nazi as the average Hanukkah party.

I know actual Russian-Americans IRL and never hear them even bring it up but ymmv
I've seen Russiaboos and pro-Putin people say it.

Yep your YouTube video mean nothing. Weaponry isn't merely firearms it's materiel, which includes tanks, planes, vehicles and munitions, And we have to have trained soldiers to field them. We have to have different kinds of ammunition for tanks, planes, ship and submarines. We need mechanics to service them. We're losing soldiers, not recruiting them. And we need replacement parts, which right now means China, which is pretty fucking stupid. And that's your opinion of China, its not an informed assessment of their military capabilities.
This really shows me that you know nothing. America makes and sends guns all over the world at a rate that makes Yuri Orlov look like a quaker. The most you have are rumors, no proof, no evidence, no signs that the Americans are running out of the one thing they've been giving to this world faster than burgers and baseball. Also, there's no shortage of mechanics, ammunition, or soldiers, and other countries can serve as manufacturers just as well as China. All we get from China are cheap plastic toys that countries like Vietnam can also produce. And yes, if you haven't even learned, the term "little emperors" was not a phrase China's enemies invented; it was a term coined by Chinese commanders themselves, when describing their current crop of soldiers that come from one-child households; children who were spoiled rotten by their family due to them being the sole bearers of the family line. Hence why many of them are soft, weak, and not ready for combat situations.


If you're suggesting Russia should have soften up Ukraine by pounding it with bombing runs all night, every night, for a month, then what you're saying is they should have killed a couple of million Ukrainians right away, so apparently Russia has far more respect for human life than you do. Russia seems to be doing well as it is so I think they were right not to go with the American "Kill em all let God sort em out" approach.
Nope. Russians have tried that approach and failed; there's no shortage of Russians treating the civilians like shit, but there's also no shortage of Russian military aircraft that got shot out of the sky. It isn't because the Russians are merciful; it's because the Russians are disorganized as fuck when it comes to controlling the air. And no, Russia isn't doing well, to the point where they're scraping at the bottom of the barrel for manpower because they lost TENS OF THOUSANDS in a matter of months. Here's an analysis of how disorganized the Russians have been so far in this war:




I think you should read up on the conflicts in this list here:
to see some of the blunders we've been involved in just the last 50 years.
Yes, and compared to what Russia is going through right now, you need 50 years' worth of American blunders to match it.
 
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You are free to call them Nazis all day, but that doesn't change the fact that they're about as Nazi as the average Hanukkah party.


I've seen Russiaboos and pro-Putin people say it.
You are really stuck on this shit. Touch grass.
This really shows me that you know nothing. America makes and sends guns all over the world at a rate that makes Yuri Orlov look like a quaker. The most you have are rumors, no proof, no evidence, no signs that the Americans are running out of the one thing they've been giving to this world faster than burgers and baseball. Also, there's no shortage of mechanics, ammunition, or soldiers, and other countries can serve as manufacturers just as well as China. All we get from China are cheap plastic toys that countries like Vietnam can also produce. And yes, if you haven't even learned, the term "little emperors" was not a phrase China's enemies invented; it was a term coined by Chinese commanders themselves, when describing their current crop of soldiers that come from one-child households; children who were spoiled rotten by their family due to them being the sole bearers of the family line. Hence why many of them are soft, weak, and not ready for combat situations.
I'm not going to believe some youtube video over people in the military I know personally, who say they are having trouble maintaining and getting arms, and that was before we decided to ship those negervolk our toys. I'm going to believe soldiers, sailors and airmen who tell me they're refusing to re-enlist, that are being discharged and who complain they're short staffed and there are fewer and fewer pilots to fly our fancy jets. The US military is having serious issues, and almost all those issues are the fault of the current administration and their retarded policies. You can say whatever you want about China but they've improved tremendously since the Korean War, and they were kicking out ass towards the end, to the point MacArthur wanted to nuke them in order to stop them from coming over the Yalu River. Underestimating an opponent is the worse thing you can do in a fight.
Nope. Russians have tried that approach and failed;
lol no
there's no shortage of Russians treating the civilians like shit
Happens in every war but the Eastern Ukrainians seem happy to see them.
, but there's also no shortage of Russian military aircraft that got shot out of the sky.
ha ha no
It isn't because the Russians are merciful; it's because the Russians are disorganized as fuck when it comes to controlling the air. And no, Russia isn't doing well, to the point where they're scraping at the bottom of the barrel for manpower because they lost TENS OF THOUSANDS in a matter of months. Here's an analysis of how disorganized the Russians have been so far in this war:



Do you get all your information from youtube?
Yes, and compared to what Russia is going through right now, you need 50 years' worth of American blunders to match it.
Just go back post war, that's another fifty years.
 
They'll be fine and come out of this stronger.

Detailed explanations why I am wrong, please. I enjoy reading them.
Damn I hate to post about China in a Russia/Ukraine thread but it's important I say that China is retarded and won't come out better. They spent over a year saying they defeated COVID and now are spraying all sorts of chemicals on the roads to "defeat" corona again. Absolute ironic mongs.
 
They'll be fine and come out of this stronger.

Detailed explanations why I am wrong, please. I enjoy reading them.
I don't think we need detailed explanations when A) their commanders whine and bitch about how soft their soldiers are, and B) they've got an imploding economy based on a housing bubble that recently collapsed.

Combine that with a power struggle between the Xi Jinping and Jiang Zemin factions that make the Republican/Democrat divide look civil by comparison, and China's not going to be making any large moves without incurring massive costs.

You are really stuck on this shit. Touch grass.
I do that every day. But again, the point stands: the Azov Battalion has supporters and members that the Nazis would never approve of.

I'm not going to believe some youtube video over people in the military I know personally, who say they are having trouble maintaining and getting arms, and that was before we decided to ship those negervolk our toys. I'm going to believe soldiers, sailors and airmen who tell me they're refusing to re-enlist, that are being discharged and who complain they're short staffed and there are fewer and fewer pilots to fly our fancy jets. The US military is having serious issues, and almost all those issues are the fault of the current administration and their retarded policies. You can say whatever you want about China but they've improved tremendously since the Korean War, and they were kicking out ass towards the end, to the point MacArthur wanted to nuke them in order to stop them from coming over the Yalu River. Underestimating an an opponent is the worse thing you can do in a fight.
Again, that's just your private experience, over the opinions of people who actually know military matters and logistics issues. And the data supports them. All you can do is claim to know people personally, but we don't know if you're lying off your ass.

China's real soldiers have aged away. The whole "little emperors" thing is something that said older generation of soldiers are seeing in the modern Chinese army. Unlike America which was fighting wars up until recently, the last real war they fought is Korea, and now, their army is swamped with spoiled "little emperors" who were crying like little girls when they were shipped to the border with India.

LOL yes. That's why there's already war crimes trials for captured Russians.

Happens in every war but the Eastern Ukrainians seem happy to see them.
Not necessarily. Especially when they're being used as cannon fodder by glorious mother Russia.

LOL yes.

Do you get all your information from youtube?
Do you get all your information from hearsay?

Just go back post war, that's another fifty years.
Russia doesn't have that long. They've already incurred massive aerial losses, and they lost so many men that they've begun bringing in older soldiers to beef up their armies. How long before they go full Volkssturm and start drafting girls and old men, I wonder?
 
Unlike America which was fighting wars up until recently, the last real war they fought is Korea, and now, their army is swamped with spoiled "little emperors" who were crying like little girls when they were shipped to the border with India.
Actually, the last war China fought was a war against Vietnam in the 70s or 80s (can't remember the year off the top off my head)...which they lost by the way.
 
I'm taking the assessments of people who have actual combat experience or analyze intelligence when it comes to the the US military and nations hostile to it, not a youtube video.
It's been a while since I've checked in on the thread. Based on what you've seen, what's your current overall assessment of the current situation?

My understanding is losses have been heavy on both sides but since the Russians seem to be maintaining their advance, after several significant setbacks. Is this still the case? Have things stalled into a stalemate or is Ukraine turning things around? (This would be your personal opinion, I'm aware that which side is "winning" depends on who you ask.)
 
It's been a while since I've checked in on the thread. Based on what you've seen, what's your current overall assessment of the current situation?

My understanding is losses have been heavy on both sides but since the Russians seem to be maintaining their advance, after several significant setbacks. Is this still the case? Have things stalled into a stalemate or is Ukraine turning things around? (This would be your personal opinion, I'm aware that which side is "winning" depends on who you ask.)
I think Ukraine has been underestimating its losses and Ukraine has retreated from several positions simply because they can't maintain them. Russia has been advancing in the Donbass. but its been incremental. Russia isn't open about its losses but I don't believe they're as bad as Ukraine claims.
 
Actually, the last war China fought was a war against Vietnam in the 70s or 80s (can't remember the year off the top off my head)...which they lost by the way.
They “won” but at the kind of cost where they don’t reveal casualty numbers. Estimates are they lost a quarter million against the Vietnamese in less than a year
 
I'm taking the assessments of people who have actual combat experience or analyze intelligence when it comes to the the US military and nations hostile to it, not a youtube video.
According to you. But we can't confirm that, so for all I know, you're listening to some guy who knows less than Lazerpig does about the US military. So for all I know, we don't have a shortage of arms to send to Ukraine to help them fight Russia, because people more qualified than you say so.

And the fact that you thought the Chinese were as tough as they were during the Korean War pretty much shows me the full extent of your knowledge of modern militaries. Again, the term "little emperors" wasn't something that China's enemies came up with, Chinese commanders came up with it because of how pathetic their current crop of soldiers are.

It's been a while since I've checked in on the thread. Based on what you've seen, what's your current overall assessment of the current situation?

My understanding is losses have been heavy on both sides but since the Russians seem to be maintaining their advance, after several significant setbacks. Is this still the case? Have things stalled into a stalemate or is Ukraine turning things around? (This would be your personal opinion, I'm aware that which side is "winning" depends on who you ask.)
Russia hasn't gained anything outside of a few scraps of territory while sustaining the greatest loss of vehicles and aircraft that any major power has suffered in the 21st century. And Putin is so desperate for manpower that he's raising the age limit for soldiers.

Actually, the last war China fought was a war against Vietnam in the 70s or 80s (can't remember the year off the top off my head)...which they lost by the way.
True, they lost that one. Rather badly, if I remember.

They “won” but at the kind of cost where they don’t reveal casualty numbers. Estimates are they lost a quarter million against the Vietnamese in less than a year
That seems to be the direction Russia is headed towards. Especially considering that they lost the VDV and entire Spetsnaz units trying to bum-rush into Ukraine. Soon they'll have naught but cannon fodder and aging warhorses to throw, which would just end with more casualties on their side.
 
lol I can tell you she's not named Lazerpig, has security clearance and goes than 0-4
Anyone can claim that. I can claim that I have a nephew who lives with a former Russian officer who told him that the reason the Russians are doing so poorly is that most of their army are poorly-trained conscripts and it's just an intimidation tactic to scare the enemy with numbers. But I'm not going to throw this in as absolute proof/evidence because I have no names or articles to cite.

Come back when you have actual evidence, and not just claims of evidence.
 
Lithuanians chip in and in three days get together 5.6 million for a drone to Ukraine


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Russia-gimps: But downbas, mah Nazis!!

RIA News state agency, and his bud with Himmler tat and his own tat on the back of his head, lol

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Anyone can claim that. I can claim that I have a nephew who lives with a former Russian officer who told him that the reason the Russians are doing so poorly is that most of their army are poorly-trained conscripts and it's just an intimidation tactic to scare the enemy with numbers. But I'm not going to throw this in as absolute proof/evidence because I have no names or articles to cite.

Come back when you have actual evidence, and not just claims of evidence.
This is gossip forum about internet drama, so my posts have as much credibility as anyone else here, including yours. Certainly they're as credible as those of a dude on youtube called Lazerpig who gets most of his information wrong (Typhoons with 40mm cannon lmao). I can come to this thread as often as I want but if you don't like my posts there's a mute button.
 
Wait, gas prices are related to oil prices? That changes everything!


Ah, right, must be totally unrelated, just like crime rates and consumption of malt liquor in certain areas.

Here's another unrelated chart.
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Late I know. But let's go ahead and look at the trading volume for that. Doesn't look too hot.
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Now, I'm no economist but I'm pretty sure if you have an asset go up in value compared to another asset, but if you can't really get anyone to buy your shitty asset you can't exactly realize that increase in value. Unless I guess you're a retard who thinks you can just buy a trillion penny stocks, wait for them to go up 2% then sell them for quick cash because "What do you mean someone has to actually want to buy the stock from me?"
 
This is gossip forum about internet drama, so my posts have as much credibility as anyone else here, including yours. Certainly they're as credible as those of a dude on youtube called Lazerpig who gets most of his information wrong (Typhoons with 40mm cannon lmao). I can come to this thread as often as I want but if you don't like my posts there's a mute button.
Again, if you want to post evidence, post evidence. "My friend in the military" is about as credible as hot gas. Lazerpig makes the odd mistakes, but much of what he says is true, since it can be corroborated by things like the articles I've been posting here.
 
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