Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread

How well is the war this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 249 10.6%
  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ I ain't afraid of no Ghost of Kiev

    Votes: 278 11.8%
  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 796 33.7%
  • ⭐⭐ Stalemate

    Votes: 659 27.9%
  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 378 16.0%

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I don't have to tell them shit, but I will tell you your're a retard.
Putin is just like any other intel weenie. All theory and practice. No idea what the actual consequences of their big brained ideas could be. Combined with the yes men around him it's been a disastrous combination.

Russia has misunderstood this war from the start. They thought they were simply kicking over a Western proxy. The irony is the west thought this too. Biden told the US congress Ukraine would fall in 72 hours.

Instead this has devolved into what amounts to the Ukrainian independence war. The Russian people deserve to know what sort of war they have become mired in, and if you as an American cannot respect the desire of a people to be free from foreign domination then you are no countryman of mine.
 
Tell that to the Kharkiv. Tell them how Russian they are. Isn't that the tragedy of this war? Putin has severed a historical bond here that has gone back centuries. The English, Scots and Irish all speak roughly the same language too. Yet in the modern age all three were at each other's throats for decades.

You are myopic. Putin has done a horrendous thing here and the consequences of it will reverberate for centuries.

Didn't America and NATO essentially destroyed Lybia and have been financing wars that have killed hundreds of thousands?

Be careful when accusing others of atrocities because others will notice that your closet is dripping a lot of blood from it's cracks.
 
Let me apply your logic.

I live thousands of miles from Mexico city. But Mexico city is only a few hundred miles from America. Also, the Mexicans use the Latin Alphabet just like me and alot of them, especially in the border regions speak English. Therefore they really are American and even though my Virginian ass has never set foot in Tijuana and I can't speak Spanish, the mere fact that 40% of Tijuana can speak my language and they are literally 300 meters from my country means they are basically me and I can Walz into Tijuana and declare it America.

Besides, it's justified. The Cartels murdered a bunch of American Mormons a few years ago, have engaged in cross border violence with our border patrol and so on. Intervention is justified and since they are literally just over the border all Mexicans are essentially Americans.
That isn't my logic. Where are you getting this thousands of miles thing from, by the way? Not sure who you're referring to.

Anyway, my logic is simple but to summarize it requires glossing over a lot of nuances regarding Russia and Ukraine and I won't pretend to know how deep it really goes
  • Ukraine didn't want separatist, majority ethnic Russian (culturally ethnic imo but not important) regions to go do their own thing
    • They send in the military to prevent this
    • Meanwhile Russia is doling out some passports as they tend to do in cases like this
  • Ukraine does "cultural genocide" by usual western definitions
  • Russia more staunchly backs up separatists as they were losing
    • Little green men
  • The fighting goes on for years until the invasion and barely anyone pays attention or cares
  • Articles even cover how innocents are caught up in all of this and there's plenty of criticism towards Ukraine
    • As soon as Russia invades Ukraine can do no wrong
You can say the separatist vote was rigged, and I'm sure it was, but Ukraine's response was essentially what we see from Ukrainians on this board. Pinkwojak.jpg rage about how all Russians need to fuck off and die, everything about Russia is awful, cleanse Ukraine of the Russians. Imagine applying that to say... Texas with Mexicans.

Lots of Spanish-speaking cultural Mexicans in Texas. They could try to go about forming their own state through normal means (eg State of Jefferson on west coast) with support from Mexico but beyond that, imagine if Texas sent in their state militia to force Spanish-speakers in the South to stop attempting to form their own state and then passed laws saying every official sign, document, and even unofficial media and then some must be in English. Effectively barring Spanish from the state.
Not a perfect comparison but close enough I hope.

The same countries going "SLAVA UKRAINI" right now would throw a massive fit at the cultural genocide going on in Texas and we'd have countless articles about how racist Texans are. None of that happened for Ukraine because no one was told to pretend to care.
 
When I have celebrated dead Ukrainians? Fucking war is BULLSHIT you fag, you know what I see when I see a dead kid in this war with a blue and yellow patch? Someone who will not see his girlfriend, wife or kids again, he won't laugh at his friend's jokes when he's having a beer or drink with them, he won't dance at a party, he will never feel the sun on his face or the cool wind blowing through his hair, he won't hug his mother or father. His body is torn up, its changed colors and his's literally worm food consumes by insects. And for what? So some assholes in Congress can launder their bribes, so a comedian can buy a house in Italy, so a bunch of thieves and scum can live high life in Europe as his family mourns? Take your armchair general bullshit and shove it up your ass, no one wanted this war except people in power who don't care whether you live or die.
Wow I guess everybody should just roll over for any warlord who wants to put their boot on their neck.
Live free or die faggot
 
Let me apply your logic.

I live thousands of miles from Mexico city. But Mexico city is only a few hundred miles from America. Also, the Mexicans use the Latin Alphabet just like me and alot of them, especially in the border regions speak English. Therefore they really are American and even though my Virginian ass has never set foot in Tijuana and I can't speak Spanish, the mere fact that 40% of Tijuana can speak my language and they are literally 300 meters from my country means they are basically me and I can Walz into Tijuana and declare it America.

Besides, it's justified. The Cartels murdered a bunch of American Mormons a few years ago, have engaged in cross border violence with our border patrol and so on. Intervention is justified and since they are literally just over the border all Mexicans are essentially Americans.

This is a shitty example because Mexico and America have differing religion, culture, language, traditions and are different animals altogheter.

Eastern Ukraine and Russia have almost the same language, culture, religion, traditions, buildings,customs and lifestyle.

Also, the Scots teamed up with the English to opress the Irish, that's just a fact.
 
This is a shitty example because Mexico and America have differing religion, culture, language, traditions and are different animals altogheter.

Eastern Ukraine and Russia have almost the same language, culture, religion, traditions, buildings,customs and lifestyle.

Also, the Scots teamed up with the English to opress the Irish, that's just a fact.
No we aren't. Mexico and America are both brothers in Christ. Both of us have embraced the protestant tradition of not establishing a national church, but his holiness Pope Francis is the head of Ecuminical Catholic Church, the largest religious organization in Mexico and the United States.

We are also both children of the Roman Empire. Just like Russia and Ukraine can retrace their national origins, culture and laws to Grand Kyiv, America and Mexico draw ours back to Rome. Sure both Rome and Grand Kyiv are dead and buried, but they are our cultural progenitors.

Also, Spanish and English are essentially the same language. Just like Russian and Ukrainian. So many common words, and so many people on either side of the border speak both.

Our histories are also intertwined. We are both colonial progeny, both had independence wars in the late 18th century, and Mexico was at one point entirely Conquered by the United States. We could have kept the whole country but benevolently decided they could do their own thing. But only if we agreed!

After all, by Russian Logic Mexico is America an my Virginian Ass 3,000 miles away from Mexico City who can't speak Spanish is essentially a superior version of Mexican who don't have a real history, culture or language anyway. They are just discount Spaniards who have been english bitches for 300 years.
 
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Yes, the Russians lost 30.000 men because daddy "funnyman" Zelensky told you and I don't know how much Russian equipment is still functioning but Ukraine is getting mauled right now with huge amounts of artillery.

The Russian military has always been very corrupt but so is the Ukre military, plus, the logistic situation is a lot better in the Russian side (they're not supplying a half-encircled bulge and are much closer to Russia, you know)
None of my sources for information are the Ukrainian government or the mainstream media. Zelensky didn't tell me anything. I don't know anything about the Ukrainians getting mauled by artillery.

I can list my sources for you. They are all YouTube channels.

Perun
CaspianReport
Good Times Bad Times
Animarchy
Geopop

I mostly watch the Peter Zeihan videos on Geopop. He talks about Russia and China.

But the best channel on the list is Perun.

They are closer to Russia and Russia can't supply its army effectively more than 90 miles away from its border. If the Russian are successful in Eastern Ukraine, which I highly doubt they will be. That's as far as they will ever get. It doesn't really matter because the Russians won't be able to afford fighting in Eastern Ukraine much longer. The effects of the sanctions will just get worse as time passes.
lol, this may age well, but it's not the time to say this.
also nice sources bro
Why? It's the same poorly equipped, poorly funded and poorly trained Russian army that failed to take Kiev and had to retreat from Western Ukraine completely. Putin moving them to Eastern Ukraine didn't magically make the Russian army better.
 
No we aren't. Mexico and America are both brothers in Christ. Both of us have embraced the protestant tradition of not establishing a national church, but his holiness Pope Francis is the head of Ecuminical Catholic Church, the largest religious organization in Mexico and the United States.

We are also both children of the Roman Empire. Just like Russia and Ukraine can retrace their national origins, culture and laws to Grand Kyiv, America and Mexico draw ours back to Rome. Sure both Rome and Grand Kyiv are dead and buried, but they are our cultural progenitors.

Also, Spanish and English are essentially the same language. Just like Russian and Ukrainian. So many common words, and so many people on either side of the border speak both.

Our histories are also intertwined. We are both colonial progeny, both had independence wars in the late 18th century, and Mexico was at one point entirely Conquered by the United States. We could have kept the whole country but benevolently decided they could do their own thing. But only if we agreed!

After all, by Russian Logic Mexico is America an my Virginian Ass 3,000 miles away from Mexico City who can't speak Spanish is essentially a superior version of Mexican who don't have a real history, culture or language anyway. They are just discount Spaniards who have been english bitches for 300 years.
I lived in Mexico for a year and they would literally mariachi you to death if you dared utter one paragraph of this word vomit in Mexico City. Not because they hate America and Americans but because it's retarded as fuck.
 
Finally a GAS GAS GAS meme.


Russian T-72b at 60km/h somewhere in Ukraine, meanwhile Ukraine depends on Poland and Romania for fuel supply, reaching the point of limiting the purchase to 9.3L/tank to civilians, while Russia enjoys a great fuel independence. So actions like the one we see in this video are allowed.

 
None of my sources for information are the Ukrainian government or the mainstream media. Zelensky didn't tell me anything. I don't know anything about the Ukrainians getting mauled by artillery.

I can list my sources for you. They are all YouTube channels.

Perun
CaspianReport
Good Times Bad Times
Animarchy
Geopop

I mostly watch the Peter Zeihan videos on Geopop. He talks about Russia and China.

But the best channel on the list is Perun.

They are closer to Russia and Russia can't supply its army effectively more than 90 miles away from its border. If the Russian are successful in Eastern Ukraine, which I highly doubt they will be. That's as far as they will ever get. It doesn't really matter because the Russians won't be able to afford fighting in Eastern Ukraine much longer. The effects of the sanctions will just get worse as time passes.

Why? It's the same poorly equipped, poorly funded and poorly trained Russian army that failed to take Kiev and had to retreat from Western Ukraine completely. Putin moving them to Eastern Ukraine didn't magically make the Russian army better.

Aha, and most those sources are based on biased and propagandized info from the Ukres.

The overblown casualty number is just one of many red flags.

The "experts" said that Russia would be finished 1 month ago and now they're saying they will be finished in 2-3 weeks, now which is it?

At this point they're just covering Ukraine's ass, same song and dance.
 
Yes, because all those dead ukrainians would be alive right now if they had simply agreed to trade their domestic uncaring government with a foreign uncaring government.

They've been run by Jews since the coup and they've turned into nothing more than a NATO US puppet state. They'd simply be trading one uncaring foreign government for another, hence the tragedy of the whole war.
 
No we aren't. Mexico and America are both brothers in Christ. Both of us have embraced the protestant tradition of not establishing a national church, but his holiness Pope Francis is the head of Ecuminical Catholic Church, the largest religious organization in Mexico and the United States.

We are also both children of the Roman Empire. Just like Russia and Ukraine can retrace their national origins, culture and laws to Grand Kyiv, America and Mexico draw ours back to Rome. Sure both Rome and Grand Kyiv are dead and buried, but they are our cultural progenitors.

Also, Spanish and English are essentially the same language. Just like Russian and Ukrainian. So many common words, and so many people on either side of the border speak both.

Our histories are also intertwined. We are both colonial progeny, both had independence wars in the late 18th century, and Mexico was at one point entirely Conquered by the United States. We could have kept the whole country but benevolently decided they could do their own thing. But only if we agreed!

After all, by Russian Logic Mexico is America an my Virginian Ass 3,000 miles away from Mexico City who can't speak Spanish is essentially a superior version of Mexican who don't have a real history, culture or language anyway. They are just discount Spaniards who have been english bitches for 300 years.

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Just as bad as wanting to dance on dead Ukrainians?
Azov are neo-nazi larping subhumans, they don't count.


i want Russia to lose this war for two reasons. The first reason is to punish Putin personally for his hubris. When the cancer or whatever it is afflicting him finally takes him, I hope all those dead Russian boys who were slaughtered around Kiev are there to meet him.
You seem to not realize if he dies all of a sudden the next guy after him will continue his "Ukraine question" policy. It's a little bit too late to backpedal now. Like 8 years late.


The second reason I want Russia to lose this war is because Putin himself made this a shit test of the American Empire, and the Pax Americana. If Russia wins, the Pax Americana will break. The consequences for this will be catastrophic. Everyone everywhere should be praying for an American win by Proxy against Russia in Ukraine
Remind me please who the fuck had to give mutts the right to fuck around/shitting at someone else's backdoor/lawn? Civil population of the States have NOTHING to do with what's really happening on ANOTHER CONTINENT at all, it's the elites lust for blood and money of others that drives the current situation to a lot of unforseen consequences. Also, fighting your adversary through proxy wars is a way of cowards. Americans do that for, at the very least, 15 fucking years. Fascinating cowardice, no joke.


Because if America cannot win by proxy we will be forced to try and win by direct action.
Or, you know, you can always STFU and stay in your fucking corner, cease intervention into EU and Russia's business? But that's must be crazy conspiracy theory, oh silly me...
 
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That isn't my logic. Where are you getting this thousands of miles thing from, by the way? Not sure who you're referring to.

Anyway, my logic is simple but to summarize it requires glossing over a lot of nuances regarding Russia and Ukraine and I won't pretend to know how deep it really goes
  • Ukraine didn't want separatist, majority ethnic Russian (culturally ethnic imo but not important) regions to go do their own thing
    • They send in the military to prevent this
    • Meanwhile Russia is doling out some passports as they tend to do in cases like this
  • Ukraine does "cultural genocide" by usual western definitions
  • Russia more staunchly backs up separatists as they were losing
    • Little green men
  • The fighting goes on for years until the invasion and barely anyone pays attention or cares
  • Articles even cover how innocents are caught up in all of this and there's plenty of criticism towards Ukraine
    • As soon as Russia invades Ukraine can do no wrong
You can say the separatist vote was rigged, and I'm sure it was, but Ukraine's response was essentially what we see from Ukrainians on this board. Pinkwojak.jpg rage about how all Russians need to fuck off and die, everything about Russia is awful, cleanse Ukraine of the Russians. Imagine applying that to say... Texas with Mexicans.

Lots of Spanish-speaking cultural Mexicans in Texas. They could try to go about forming their own state through normal means (eg State of Jefferson on west coast) with support from Mexico but beyond that, imagine if Texas sent in their state militia to force Spanish-speakers in the South to stop attempting to form their own state and then passed laws saying every official sign, document, and even unofficial media and then some must be in English. Effectively barring Spanish from the state.
Not a perfect comparison but close enough I hope.

The same countries going "SLAVA UKRAINI" right now would throw a massive fit at the cultural genocide going on in Texas and we'd have countless articles about how racist Texans are. None of that happened for Ukraine because no one was told to pretend to care.
Do you have a source on the demographics of Donbas and Luhansk? Wikipedia (I know) told me that Ukrainians are the majority there and the Russians were largely imports from the Soviet era.

My view on it comes down to this, people have the right to leave a country if they want to, possibly restricted a bit if they want to leave so they can do something awful (like form their own Communist state or genocide a minority). Now, you can always go more granular with it, and eventually it reaches a point where it's just impractical. A prime example of that would be something like the secession of Winston County from Alabama during the American Civil War, nobody wants a map with tiny bullshit enclaves like that everywhere. So at some level you have to aggregate, and if the population is pretty divided, there's going to be a bunch of people pissed off either way. I think if you've got a situation that's pretty even, you prioritize the side that wants the status quo. There is no perfect way to go about it. But if there IS a majority in a reasonably-sized territory that wants their own government or to flip governments, they have that right. That (should be) fundamental to the American worldview, although American patriotism at this point has diverged so far away from its founding values that it's now meaningless.

But if the Russians are not even the majority in the Donbas and Luhansk, much less broader Novorossiya, by what right does a minority have to drag the majority away from their own government, much less to align themselves with a nation that massacred them by the millions?

By these principles, I supported the Russian annexation of Crime and invasion of South Ossetia. But, to go beyond that is where the problems start.

And a lot of the defenses I've seen of Russia - not coming from you, necessarily, but other people in the thread - do whataboutism, except they don't even do it right. What about the American invasions of Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan? What about them? South Vietnam was invaded by North Vietnam. Iraq invaded Iran and Kuwait and genocided the Kurds (extremely belligerent, nasty country) and after being knocked down once they continued to violate their treaties. Afghanistan aided and abetted Al-Qaeda in its war on the United States. North Korea invaded South Korea. To find an actual corrupt American war you really have to dig into CIA coups and such, most of which come down to trying to keep down Communist regimes - backed by the Soviets - or preventing nationalizations (ie, theft of American property). Besides which, using that to defend the Russians is like arguing you should be able to rob, loot, and murder because somebody else did.

So if you've got any sources (preferably from before this shitshow kicked off), that'd be helpful, because if there is a clear majority supporting Russia then that really changes things morally, because my only real concern is what the people in the separatist regions want. For that reason I'm hesitantly pro-Transnistrian, too. But if not, then the Russians need to be driven out.
 
This is yet another reminder that the insurgency is arch-cope. It's been three months and there's been 0 (zero) partisan armies or guerilla on Russia-controlled territories. Afghanistan was a mountainous territory easily lending itself to places for insurgents to hide out, with a highly motivated and majority young population, with a massive TFR of around 7.5 at the time of the US and Soviet invasions and that's over 4 even now. The Ukrainian TFR by contrast is 1.2, below even Russia, with flat terrain and majority older population, with over six million people having migrated out already, predominantly the youngest and most able to work.

Yeah, the insurgency won't be as effective as Afghanistan, but it is at least accomplishing goals in Melitopol. The goal is to make holding territory more than it's worth. The biggest weakness the resistance has is Russia is aware of it, and is using the old deportation method to deal with it (send people not-completely-loyal to Siberia, move in completely loyal Russian citizens and give them free real estate).

An insurgency really needs sympathetic locals to help hide it. Russia is removing that. That's why even in the best case Ukraine will never be able to go past the pre-February borders -- LPR/DPR and Crimea were already cleansed. Most people there are loyal to Putin now. The rest either escaped west or are chopping wood in the taiga. Ukraine will be lucky to get back Kherson and Melitopol.

The Taliban banned marriage under age 15. Without getting into an autistic slapfight about definitions, social censure of sex with prepubescent children is far closer to a universal human behavior than drawing a bright line between "child" and "adult" at age 18.

The Taliban did not ban marriage under 15. That's just their requirement for wives recruited through official programs as a reward for their troops. If locals want to marry younger, they can (within the limits of Sharia, nobody under nine and depending on the local administrator they might demand menstruation first). They also banned forced marriage, though it's kind of hard for an 11-year-old girl to say no when everyone around her is pressuring her.

The USA, by comparison, gets a lot of immigrants, both legal and illegal. This keeps the overall age of the American population lower than China, Japan, South Korea, or Russia. Ensures X number of workers to support each retiree.

Thankfully most US immigrants come from Latin America, especially Mexico. They're largely culturally compatible and by the second generation they're usually totally integrated. The US just needs to do a better job keeping the criminal element out and definitely needs to do a better job to prevent ghettoization. The average 2nd generation Mexican-American is better integrated than the average 20th-generation African-American.

Europe is fucked because they keep taking in people from totally incompatible cultures. Not just Muslims, but Africans from those bizarro Christian countries that never moved beyond Spanish Inquisition-style shit. It's mostly not a Christian/Muslim issue, it's a secularism and social contract issue. Malaysians integrate fine.

no reform will un-immigrate dozens of millions of hostile foreigners.
you'd have to do large scale mass deportations to fix this situation, which is not possible in a liberal democracy.

Breaking up ghettos might be possible. The worst immigrants in Europe live in social housing. Spread out the social housing so the kids don't have a bubble as their only social interaction.

Lots of Spanish-speaking cultural Mexicans in Texas. They could try to go about forming their own state through normal means (eg State of Jefferson on west coast) with support from Mexico but beyond that, imagine if Texas sent in their state militia to force Spanish-speakers in the South to stop attempting to form their own state and then passed laws saying every official sign, document, and even unofficial media and then some must be in English. Effectively barring Spanish from the state.
Not a perfect comparison but close enough I hope.

The US doesn't have a national language, but there are federal policies that everything the government posts has to be in English. It is, however, not prevented from having a secondary language also presented. Similarly, there are dual-language public schools but they are absolutely required to teach English with the expectation that by Jr. High every class will be in English.

As for your statehood example, Spanish-speakers in Texas would not be able to form their own state without the consent of congress, and of Texas itself. That's been the rule since Kentucky split from Virginia and Maine split from Massachusetts. If they unilaterally declared a state, even after a referendum, you bet your ass the troops would come in just like they did with the State of Deseret. Though, like after the Utah War, a compromise on statehood might be reached much later.


On an unrelated note, can someone please explain to me what is up with the Kadyrovites? Every single piece of combat footage from them I've seen has them fighting like absolute shit. Lots of blind firing and spraying and praying. Like, marginally better than the Afghan National Army was doing back when we were supposedly training them.
 
@Pointless Sperg Reply bug and regarding the unrelated note with the Kadyrovites.

They're called the Tik-Tok army for a reason. I'm willing to bet the majority of footage that gets published by them isn't even on the front and they really are literally just shooting at a wall that's offscreen or at an imaginary target, since blind firing and spray and praying look cool (even though you really are not going to hit the broadside of a barn 100 meters away), they do so for their propaganda videos.
 
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