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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Now the 'Ukraine takes over Russia' memes are not so far off, TBH.

Russia will either become Eastern Ukraine or Northern China. And they have Putin to thank for that.

Hmmm... In your opinion, is Ukraine in any sort of position for a counter-offensive to regain territory or do you see a continued stalemate for the foreseeable future?

A stalemate, followed by a push by the Ukrainians as they regain territory. That's the likely result, in my opinion.
 
They could get them from places like Taiwan...
Taiwan said "Fuck no" when this shit just started, I'm pretty sure. Why would they support China's best buddy? Makes no sense.
A stalemate, followed by a push by the Ukrainians as they regain territory. That's the likely result, in my opinion.
I concur. Russia is already scraping bottom of the barrel, while Ukraine trains and equips their reserves with new gear. Without outright mobilization and wartime economy there's little Russia can do at this point, and that's just fighting over a portion of Ukraine after the attempt to take all of it failed.
Ukrainians are extremely motivated to keep fighting, Russians - not so much.
 
Hmmm... In your opinion, is Ukraine in any sort of position for a counter-offensive to regain territory or do you see a continued stalemate for the foreseeable future?
Stalemate for now, with local counteroffensives from the Ukrainians to regain territory as the Russians have to shift forces around.
 
Taiwan said "Fuck no" when this shit just started, I'm pretty sure. Why would they support China's best buddy? Makes no sense.

Respect requires strength (or something like that)

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Ufa, RF, average mo salaries for 2022:

Производство — 46 498 руб. Бухгалтерия, финансы, банки — 33 029 руб. Менеджмент — 43 683 руб. Продажи — 32 928 руб. Образование, наука, языки — 25 380 руб. Медицина и фармация — 36 010 руб. Сельское хозяйство — 34 954 руб.<br><br> Подробнее на Bankiros: <a href='https://bankiros.ru/wiki/term/srednaa-zarplata-v-baskirii' >https://bankiros.ru/wiki/term/srednaa-zarplata-v-baskirii</a>

Education, science and languages - 25'380 rub/mo
Sales - 32'928
Banking, finance and accounting - 33'029
Agriculture - 34'954
Medical and pharamacy - 36'010
Management - 43'683
Manufacture - 46'498

Those are interesting numbers in itself, reflecting values and what's in demand.

Military contract:

one time payment: 250'000 rub
pay 220'000/mo
+8'000/day combat pay

up to 50 y.o. are welcome, no experience required.


Death payout: 12'421'000 + 15-20k/monthly


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Bro, in Russia, there are marshlands the size of Switzerland. Just because it's "land", it's not always a usable land, but here you go, pop density of Russia, they are a lot like Canada, but less spread on the border

You see those peaks (St. Petes and Moscow), nuke them and Russia is gone. Lord Emperor knows his shit.


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Big problem with Georgia, they gave up after a week of fighting and sat down with Russia to negotiate ... you can't save those who don't want to save themselves.



They are in a limbo, a sect on the same level if you or I get people together. All parishes have to vote and there is a process to join Uki Ortho ... but this is going to be complicated.
The people might be there but the silos and mobile launchers are all over the place and they even have a failsafe system the "dead hand" that its still online so basically if you even try to nuke those two cities you're giving the russkies every reason to launch fucking everything and render the entire northern hemisphere and most of oceania into a radioactive wasteland, only latin america and africa would be spared out of sheer irrelevance

If anything you're better off nuking a small russian city to show you mean business, so when everybody in moscow shit their pants they'll go to the negotiating table
 
Ufa, RF, average mo salaries for 2022:



Education, science and languages - 25'380 rub/mo
Sales - 32'928
Banking, finance and accounting - 33'029
Agriculture - 34'954
Medical and pharamacy - 36'010
Management - 43'683
Manufacture - 46'498

Those are interesting numbers in itself, reflecting values and what's in demand.

Military contract:

one time payment: 250'000 rub
pay 220'000/mo
+8'000/day combat pay

up to 50 y.o. are welcome, no experience required.


Death payout: 12'421'000 + 15-20k/monthly


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And as we've seen it's more likely for soldiers to "disappear" than die, with Russian authorities refusing to accept and document real losses to both "save face" and avoid paying compensation. But this is where we are, killing your neighbors for money.
 
Latest from Perun, talking about Corruption and it's impact on the Russian Military

I loled at guy's disclaimer about "allegations" and how it's not related to real people etc. Don't worry bro, no one is going to Pollonium your ass, everyone knows about it.

So Naval'nij, even though he tried to run for president, his "party" was always called "anti-corruption" bureau, so he did a lot of investigations. Most of his vids have English subtitles. If you really want your mind blown, watch a vid or two from his channel: https://www.youtube.com/c/АлексейНавальный I guarantee you that after watching it, you'll realize that "changing corruption culture in Russia" is total pipe dream.

... and it's always been like that, and yes military was always a cow to be milked dry and conscripts paid for it with their lives.

Here is a vid from Navalnik about How corruption in Russia works with Eng subs (it's from 5 years ago):

Lavrov who is the least flamboyant from Putin's circle:

a lot of these videos have been around for many years, and most of them had gathered millions of views ... yet, the whole thing about, not just the top, but average non-descript "public servants" swimming in cash is well accepted. No one wants to do anything about it. The smarter of the bunch choose to leave the country rather than fight an uphill battle of changing anything in Russia.
 


This address of mine is dedicated to four cities of Ukraine: Kharkiv, Kyiv, Severodonetsk and Kryvyi Rih. And through them - to our whole state, to all our cities and communities.
Zelenskiy telegram channel

This is in the context of his visit to Kharkiv to hand out medals, the first time since the start of the war.

Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky visits troops in Kharkiv to hand out bravery medals as he makes his first official appearance outside Kyiv since the start of Russia's invasion​

  • The leader has been based in Kyiv since Putin's full-scale attack on February 24
  • Zelensky wore a bullet-proof vest as he thanked the soldiers for their service
  • In a video, Ukrainian troops showed Zelensky destroyed trucks in the region
  • He met local officials, including the mayor, to discuss reconstruction programs
rest of the Daily Mail article

UOC-MP asserts 'full' independence at surprise solemn Sobor​

Anatolii Babynskyi
May 28

https://www.pillarcatholic.com/p/uoc-mp-asserts-full-independence/comments
An informal listening session of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church affiliated with the Moscow Patriarchate shifted Friday into a solemn legislative session, at which bishops made a surprise assertion of the Church’s “full” independence, while insisting the move is not the same as a formal break from ecclesial communion with the Russian Orthodox Church.
It is not yet clear how that assertion will be received in Moscow, or among the Church’s parishes, some of which have defected in recent weeks to membership in the autocephalous Orthodox Church of Ukraine.

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Metropolitan Onufriy, head of the UOC-MP, presides at a May 27 liturgy. Credit: news.church.ua
A May 27 meeting of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church - Moscow Patriarchate began as a gathering of clergy and laity, delegates from eparchies across the country, called to St. Panteleimon Monastery in Kyiv for a listening session to focus on “problems of church life that have arisen as a result of the war and troubling us all.”
The meeting was called as several UOC-MP eparchies in Ukraine ceased liturgically commemorating Moscow Patriarch Kirill, a symbolic break of communion borne of his perceived support for the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and as numerous UOC-MP parishes in the country have moved to break from the Church, mostly to affiliate with the independent Orthodox Church of Ukraine, which was recognized in 2019 as a legitimate independent Church by the Patriarch of Constantinople, a central unifying figure in Eastern Orthodoxy.
Ahead of the Friday meeting, clergy and laity in several dioceses had begun advocating that the UOC-MP should formally sever its ties from the Patriarch of Moscow, whom they say is a spiritual supporter of Russia’s aggressive military incursion into Ukraine.

The May 27 meeting began with a speech from Metropolitan Onufriy, head of the UOC-MP, who is also a permanent member of the Russian Orthodox Church’s Holy Synod in Moscow.
In his remarks, the metropolitan noted that "For more than three months the war that the Russian Federation has started against Ukraine lasts," and stated that his appeals to end the war went unheeded. He listed the aid to the needy and the Ukrainian army provided by the UOC-MP but noted that his Church had been unfairly accused of being anti-state.
Finally, he said that “The problems of previous years and the new challenges now arising from military action in Ukraine have prompted us to gather in this holy abode to discuss them and express our attitudes and suggestions.”

After Onufriy’s speech, the meeting took an unusual turn: it became a series of short, nested meetings conducted in a particular sequence.
The bishops present at the listening session convened an extraordinary meeting of the UOC-MP’s Holy Synod, which is the Church’s governing body between official Councils of Bishops.
The Holy Synod’s meeting did not last long; it convened an official Council of Bishops, effective immediately. The Council of Bishops, according to the Church’s statutes, has full power in the Church between an even more solemn meeting, called a Sobor, or a council of the Church itself.
The Council of Bishops meeting was also quite short. It began, voted to convoke a Sobor, and then concluded.
The Sobor, the most solemn kind of governance council in the UOC-MP, is a gathering of bishops to which monks, priests, and laity are invited as consultants. The meeting is the supreme legislative, administrative, and judicial body of the UOC-MP
Within minutes, the listening session was a very official assembly, with the laity and clergy already present designated the officially invited consultors of the meeting.
rest of the Pillar article

It seems a very canny move, this Sobor as it doesn't irreversibly and formally break Communion with Moscow (while Patriarch Kirill is no longer in the diptychs of many if not most Ukrainian Orthodox Church - Moscow Patriarchate (UOC-MP) parishes now, but appears like that at a time when UOC-MP has been shedding parishes at an extraordinary rate to autocephalous Orthodox Church of Ukraine (OCU). An earlier article in this publication suggested that that as the OCU was a notably an initiative of former Pres Poroshenko, to whom Pres Zelenskiy is somewhat hostile, that the UOC-MP took at the earlier stage of the meeting to focus on carefully tailoring the focus of their criticism towards OCU to work in the Poroshenko angle. There has been calls for UOC-MP to be banned over its ties to Moscow, whose luxury loving Patriarch has made very clear he supports this manifestation of Russkiy-mir. It would be reasonable to suggest that the restoration of a Kyiv Patriarchate was a notable cause of the war as it clearly mocked the pretensions inherent in Russkiy-mir.

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RU Wagner Group mercs in a musically themed photo


Operator Starsky gives a tour of a small exhibit of destroyed Russian vehicles in Kyiv.
 
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Trusting mainstream Western sources about Ukraine is like me trusting mainstream sources in Russia.

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You don't account for the fact that Russia has a real incentive to lie, being the aggressor in this war and all that.
And while it's true that Western media is eager to cover it because war in Ukraine is a popular topic right now, there's not much else beside that. And before you say anything about vilifying muh poor Russia, Russia been vilifying the West as long as I can remember.

There should always be healthy skepticism regarding the media, but going full contrarian is not that.
 
a lot of these videos have been around for many years, and most of them had gathered millions of views ... yet, the whole thing about, not just the top, but average non-descript "public servants" swimming in cash is well accepted. No one wants to do anything about it. The smarter of the bunch choose to leave the country rather than fight an uphill battle of changing anything in Russia.
One of the few remaining hopeful points for America and the West in general is that, outside of a few enclaves like Chicago or Atlantic City, no one walks into a public-facing arm of any level of government with the expectation that you will have to fork over tons of extra cash or favors for the people there to do their actual function. Oh, there may be a ton of hoops to jump through, and some of them will take delight in frustrating customers just because they can, but actually demanding quid pro quo is going to get them in trouble and the media will eat that up rather than cover for it. The game may be different at higher levels and behind closed doors, but you aren't going to have to rely on graft to get a business permit or normal land use adjustment (you might need to in order to get one that would be against the rules).
 
You don't account for the fact that Russia has a real incentive to lie, being the aggressor in this war and all that.
And while it's true that Western media is eager to cover it because war in Ukraine is a popular topic right now, there's not much else beside that. And before you say anything about vilifying muh poor Russia, Russia been vilifying the West as long as I can remember.

There should always be healthy skepticism regarding the media, but going full contrarian is not that.

Both sides lie. Western media just have the money to put a better veneer of legitimacy on it.

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One of the few remaining hopeful points for America and the West in general is that, outside of a few enclaves like Chicago or Atlantic City, no one walks into a public-facing arm of any level of government with the expectation that you will have to fork over tons of extra cash or favors for the people there to do their actual function. Oh, there may be a ton of hoops to jump through, and some of them will take delight in frustrating customers just because they can, but actually demanding quid pro quo is going to get them in trouble and the media will eat that up rather than cover for it. The game may be different at higher levels and behind closed doors, but you aren't going to have to rely on graft to get a business permit or normal land use adjustment (you might need to in order to get one that would be against the rules).

in former USSR republics bribes start at the lowest levels, you slip a few bills in the passport giving traffic cop, who stopped you. Doctors have specific comps that you can find out from their assistant in a free clinic, you pay to get a place in kindergarten, you collect comps to teachers in school, colleges. There is some person in charge collecting. You don't pay, your name gets dropped from a list or there are no available appointments.

Shit exists in burger land, you have to know people though and some would not accept "gifts", never mind demand them. Still, it's child's play compared to former republics.

Ukrainians tried to reform, basically purging cops and doing some re-training. At least it's somewhat harder to do, but I'm sure it's done. Corruption culture is trully a part of culture.
 
Trusting mainstream Western sources about Ukraine is like me trusting mainstream sources in Russia.

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That's a bad analogy, a really bad one. Dissenting news sources are either closed or subverted in Russia. Anything in the Daily Mail can be found in other sources. Like for Zelenskiy's visit to Kharkiv there's a Bloomberg article. If you think he's a hologram or doing it from a studio in Langley, that's on you. Anyhow who thinks the imperfections with Western journalism is on a level with the authoritarian control and manipulation of information has overdosed on nonsense in RT or Sputnik. Someone who spews Russian propaganda in the West might at worst be deranked in Google search, or despised, while a genuinely dissenting Russian journalist can expect prison under the new 'fake news' laws (I'm thinking of that thot Marina Ovsyannikova who managed to protest the war in a pre-recorded slot and now posts dis-info on Telegram while working for some Axel Springer outlet as a non genuine journo). This thread is meant to be about collecting articles. If you don't trust anything Putin approved, that's for you. No one should trust big news sources too much or at all anyhow. Nor should smaller Youtubers or social media OSINT producers be taken on face value. It's about forming a picture, making sense of the mess. Good and bad, the flow of news, the rise of OSINT has all been reflected in some way in this thread.
in former USSR republics bribes start at the lowest levels, you slip a few bills in the passport giving traffic cop, who stopped you. Doctors have specific comps that you can find out from their assistant in a free clinic, you pay to get a place in kindergarten, you collect comps to teachers in school, colleges. There is some person in charge collecting. You don't pay, your name gets dropped from a list or there are no available appointments.

Shit exists in burger land, you have to know people though and some would not accept "gifts", never mind demand them. Still, it's child's play compared to former republics.

Ukrainians tried to reform, basically purging cops and doing some re-training. At least it's somewhat harder to do, but I'm sure it's done. Corruption culture is trully a part of culture.

Georgia also purged corrupt cops by sacking the lot and forming a new forces designed to be transparent. Georgians like the Georgian Legion have of course been part of the Ukraine fight since 2014 as the seizure of S. Ossetia in 2008 was a clear warning of the Putin modus operandi.
 
in former USSR republics bribes start at the lowest levels, you slip a few bills in the passport giving traffic cop, who stopped you. Doctors have specific comps that you can find out from their assistant in a free clinic, you pay to get a place in kindergarten, you collect comps to teachers in school, colleges. There is some person in charge collecting. You don't pay, your name gets dropped from a list or there are no available appointments.

Shit exists in burger land, you have to know people though and some would not accept "gifts", never mind demand them. Still, it's child's play compared to former republics.
What I'm trying to get at is that in the US, you'd have to pay to get someone to break the official rules; there's no cultural expectation that you have to bake in the cost of bribes for them to actually do their function at all into your expectations. If you go to the DMV and complete the tests without messing up, you will get your license and don't need to slip a Benjamin under the table to the clerk. Maybe someone might be persuaded to give you the license if you did screw up on the tests, but if word gets out then they're in deep trouble so they can't make a regular practice of it.
 
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