Plagued /r/TNOmod and the Reddit HOI4 modding community - When a subreddit for a video game mod turns to utter insanity

[RA-5C Vigilante]

I think the ultimate indictment on modern Unionaboos (is that a real term? It is now) when it comes to the Civil War is that actual soldiers who were hurt, killed, or watched their friends die were not only able to find common ground, but actively supported and respected each other for decades after the fighting stopped.

I can guarantee that none of the people posting "My ancestors beat your ancestors/you support losers" garbage have never faced a fifth of the danger, inner turmoil, and suffering that those guys did, and even they could shake each others hands, respect one another and the causes they fought for.

Tl:dr internet "historians" deserve the bullet.

 

[Stoneheart]

Also no clue why they decided on electronic companies to manufacture fire arms not like japan had any shortage of still known firms who used to produce arms

because they are retards,

For example Howa Machinery, which was a big small arms mfg. in WWII and still makes small arms and artillery products for the JSDF.

that would also be wrong, but less wrong, you wanna have a Zaibatsu to pick from or if you have some bullshittery going on a keiretsu.

 

[Shaka Brah]

that would also be wrong, but less wrong, you wanna have a Zaibatsu to pick from or if you have some bullshittery going on a keiretsu.

It was owned by Sakichi Toyoda so potentially it would have stayed a part of the Toyota Zaibatsu if they won the war. You'd have Toyota AR-15s or whatever.

Or it would have emerged into a militarized nation much more amenable to an arms manufacturer paving its own way. Even now they make a lot of industrial equipment like CNC machines and traditional mills and lathes. Even street sweepers. They're a miniature zaibatsu that suffers due to the very limited arms industry in modern Japan.

 

[Stoneheart]

It was owned by Sakichi Toyoda so potentially it would have stayed a part of the Toyota Zaibatsu if they won the war. You'd have Toyota AR-15s or whatever.

to be honest i this they should have zaibatsus in the base game, you pick one and it gives you a fixed set of companies to chose from.

 

[Shaka Brah]

to be honest i this they should have zaibatsus in the base game, you pick one and it gives you a fixed set of companies to chose from.

A Zaibatsu focus tree segment in the economic tree might be interesting. Dramatically improve one facet of manufacturing at the expense of others.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

 

[Gryff09]

I think the ultimate indictment on modern Unionaboos (is that a real term? It is now) when it comes to the Civil War is that actual soldiers who were hurt, killed, or watched their friends die were not only able to find common ground, but active

It's so vitriolic because it's not actually about dunking on the Confederates, it's about bitching about contemporary Republicans with a thin veneer about being against the Confederacy. Which is ironic given, yaknow, them being the party that actually fought and won the ACW.

 

[Slightly Apathetic Mario]

Completely off topic from modding but still relating to HOI4, I used to play a lot of multiplayer, but now all it seems is "historical" games, were as in its a mod to make the game into wannabe starcraft 2. And there are 3 types of "historical server community" I've noticed.
1. the rare semi normal/chill discord, will to have fun and not take it as an ultra sweat. But these servers can easily be ruined by jannies
2. the type full of Trannies and LGBT fags, like the official HOi4 discord, full of people that even though they're playing a political war sim game, they don't want to talk about politics (unless it suits their agenda). also they get mad if you "misgender" them.
3. the siegefag type, full of mostly edgy eurofag siegefags who will cry like a bitch if you fake and say you recorded them denying the holocaust (because that's a crime in most of europoor land apparently), these people are know to hack lobbies to try to get people to their shitty servers/mods (hacking HOI4 is honestly fucking pathetic if you ask me)
IDK if there are any big Non-hist servers up anymore, then again most I knew were of the 2nd type and thus easy to getting your ass banned for being too edgy (in a ww2 game)

What the fuck happened to the HOI4 multiplayer community since 2017-2018? back then people were open to trying any althist mods and the like, servers were full of both wignats and tankies and you would get to hear them yell at each other in VC during a game, no one took the game super sweaty with "7/2 14/4" metas. also it seems like every server has to be family friendly in hopes of getting some random twitch streamers in their games removing a lot of the fun of a HOI4 MP game, the banter you would have with random people. I legit hope Vicky 3 is good so i can enjoy the few months when the MP community is not total cancer, but considering the state of CK3, and HOI4's MP scenes, I don't have much hope.

 

[Slightly Apathetic Mario]

I think the ultimate indictment on modern Unionaboos (is that a real term? It is now) when it comes to the Civil War is that actual soldiers who were hurt, killed, or watched their friends die were not only able to find common ground, but actively supported and respected each other for decades after the fighting stopped.
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I can guarantee that none of the people posting "My ancestors beat your ancestors/you support losers" garbage have never faced a fifth of the danger, inner turmoil, and suffering that those guys did, and even they could shake each others hands, respect one another and the causes they fought for.

Tl:dr internet "historians" deserve the bullet.

double posting because I'm bored
Unionaboos try to dunk of Southerners and Midwesterners for one simple reason, the rural south/midwest actual has some native culture to it, unlike the corporation shit in NYC or California, and they are coping hard

 

[Big Scumfuck]

The secret is to make mods with nonhuman characters to get away with shit look at stellaris where genocide is dime a dozen and in fact is a legitimate late game strategy to prevent lag destroying your save

Hell look at fucking equestria at war and the casual atrocities you can commit in that mod no problem

The funny horse mod is genuinely the most anti-pozzed mod out there.
Like the Zebrica expansion is adding an actual Posadist

 

[King Ghidorah]

The funny horse mod is genuinely the most anti-pozzed mod out there.
Like the Zebrica expansion is adding an actual Posadist

The only time the game directly judged you at all it's because your actions lead directly to the death of a child and even then it's almost sort of a joke

Also zebrica will have Boer griffons which is also based

 

[Corpun]

about fucking time if you ask me. next they should fix some of the godawful writing (looking at you, south africa)

Is South Africa super racist in it's writing? I mean comically bad. All I know is the random evnt to 'dab on the Rhodieboos' by killing Ian Smith for no reason like he was subhuman scum and not a real person.

Why do so many HOI4 mod teams take themselves so seriously? They're making alt-history mods for a map painting game and yet so many of them seem to be focused on lecturing the player about the EVIIIIILLSSS of most right leaning ideologies while praising their very specific brand of Socialism/Anarchism/whatever at nearly every opportunity.
Just make the mod fun to play Jesus, it's not rocket science.

Because they use it to push a political narrative and feel like they can change the world through their mods.

And it's almost exclusively posted online by people who would be put against a firing squad by 99% of the men who fought for the Union.
Similar to antifa people who appropriate US WWII veterans because they fought the fascists although they themselves would be branded extremist neo nazis for their "radical" social beliefs.
These "people" are incapable of looking at history outside of the current socio-political zeitgeist while grouping people in Marvel movie tier good guys and bad goys.

I think the ultimate indictment on modern Unionaboos (is that a real term? It is now) when it comes to the Civil War is that actual soldiers who were hurt, killed, or watched their friends die were not only able to find common ground, but actively supported and respected each other for decades after the fighting stopped.

This is one of the most telling things about Unionboos/Shermanboos. If you ever tell them that these are men and officers who just years ago were breaking bread together and eating in the same mess halls, and all the generals were graduates and friends from West Point they would flip their shit. They don't want to see Confederates as anything more than literal monsters who raped and murdered millions of black people. Never mind most of both armies were basically militia forces augmented by the national army of the respective nations, and pretty much every one of those men gave zero shits about slaves rights, because the majority of them either fought for a wage, to preserve what they believed right (Union or right of states to choose their own destiny or whatever), or they were career soldiers.

All the abolitionists were civilians or politicians.

 

[RA-5C Vigilante]

Is South Africa super racist in it's writing? I mean comically bad. All I know is the random evnt to 'dab on the Rhodieboos' by killing Ian Smith for no reason like he was subhuman scum and not a real person.

Because they use it to push a political narrative and feel like they can change the world through their mods.


This is one of the most telling things about Unionboos/Shermanboos. If you ever tell them that these are men and officers who just years ago were breaking bread together and eating in the same mess halls, and all the generals were graduates and friends from West Point they would flip their shit. They don't want to see Confederates as anything more than literal monsters who raped and murdered millions of black people. Never mind most of both armies were basically militia forces augmented by the national army of the respective nations, and pretty much every one of those men gave zero shits about slaves rights, because the majority of them either fought for a wage, to preserve what they believed right (Union or right of states to choose their own destiny or whatever), or they were career soldiers.

All the abolitionists were civilians or politicians.

You think thats bad, hope they don’t find out about the free blacks who wanted to volunteer for the Confederacy and almost had entire regiments in places like Louisiana

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

What do you all want to see in a HOI4 mod?

 

[Dagobert]

What do you all want to see in a HOI4 mod?

Are you making one, or do you want a more general answer.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Are you making one, or do you want a more general answer.

Both really but a general answer would do fine.

 

[Shaka Brah]

What do you all want to see in a HOI4 mod?

Every focused-on nation having a viable "win condition" for every political path available to them, where they can succeed in whatever their national goal is if the player is skilled enough to pull it off. Even if it's difficult to do, it should be possible within the bounds of the game. It's lame to have dev-forced losses like in TNO where Germany's economy collapses and you get insane negative modifiers no matter how well you run it.

 

[Dagobert]

Both really but a general answer would do fine.

Specifically, I'd like to see a mod with a world of divergent ideologies that aren't just the default fascist/communist/liberal in a few separate hats. Red Flood with accelerationism is the closest thing I'm aware of.

More generally, I want gameplay first. I enjoy lore, I'm an alt-history sperg after all, but I want the game to be fun. Don't make me sit through ten years of text events without a thing to actually do.

Every focused-on nation having a viable "win condition" for every political path available to them, where they can succeed in whatever their national goal is if the player is skilled enough to pull it off. Even if it's difficult to do, it should be possible within the bounds of the game. It's lame to have dev-forced losses like in TNO where Germany's economy collapses and you get insane negative modifiers no matter how well you run it.

I second this. Don't deliberately handicap or gameruin the player unless they go down the right path. Put them in a hard spot sometimes, sure, but if you do so make sure you leave openings to still recover or do stuff.

 

[L50LasPak]

I second this. Don't deliberately handicap or gameruin the player unless they go down the right path. Put them in a hard spot sometimes, sure, but if you do so make sure you leave openings to still recover or do stuff.

TNO bills itself as doing this because it has a specific story it wants to tell, but its bullshit since obviously picking the right path leads to total recovery and a utopian outcome. I can respect railroading the player into a shit ending when every path ultimately screws you over though, regardless of political alignment. I heard Red Flood is good for this.

 

[Dagobert]

TNO bills itself as doing this because it has a specific story it wants to tell, but its bullshit since obviously picking the right path leads to total recovery and a utopian outcome. I can respect railroading the player into a shit ending when every path ultimately screws you over though, regardless of political alignment. I heard Red Flood is good for this.

TNO logic is fucking insane, as always.

A far more fun idea would be to simply have a "historical" mode, like vanilla HOI4, where you and other countries go down the "historical" path. You could easily tell a story, but not cripple anyone's enjoyment for going off-road. TNO reminds me of a bad DND DM who wants to punish players for not respecting their super cool le wholesome story.