War Invasion of Ukraine News Megathread - Thread is only for articles and discussion of articles, general discussion thread is still in Happenings.

Status
Not open for further replies.
President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

Article
 
According to Militaryland in the last few days 1 bat 80th AirAslt Bde, 108th bat 10th Mtn Bde, and 503rd Marine bat have been moved to the Donbass. That explains the video of the Polish T-72M1Rs in the neighborhood. Someone brought them with.

I suppose that means the big push north of Kherson is being done by 14th Mech and not 80th AA. They are in transit. Also that 14th got the T-84 Oplots to play with if recent photo evidence is to be believed. Might as well send them into the fight.

That leaves 1st Tank Bde as the only remaining regular military unit from the fight up north not moved to the east/south.
If you are not willing to trust news sources, why are you in a thread that aggregates news articles?
I actually hope people itt do better than that. The news is trash and most of the time no better than rando telegram channel. The war has been going on long enough at this point to know who is full of shit and who isn't. No need to pretend anymore and drag in braindead idiot journos like they have any legitimacy.
 
Last edited:
Yes, I do. Anyone who doesn't lives under a rock believes it.

If Russia really was as strong as you naysayers say, Kiev would have fallen by now,
How strong have I said Russia is? WHO has claimed that Kiev would fall by now? I originally thought Russia would win in 15 days, but I haven't made a prediction since, because I was wrong. If you're referring to that bogus claim that Russians would have taken Kiev in two days, the only ones I've seen who even brought it up are people like you, Joseph Stalin and the rest of the circlejerk pro-Ukraine crew.
considering how close it is to the Belarusian border. At the very least, they should have taken Kiev and forced the Zelensky government to hold up somewhere in central or western Ukraine, closer to the Polish border.
Why?
Instead, Russia couldn't take a city that was literally a short drive away from friendly borders. They went from wanting to change the government because it's "run by Nazis" to now just wanting to hang on to the Donbas region and the eastern breakaway territories, and now they're calling up old mothballed tanks and raising the fighting age.
Surprisingly, I guess, but the Ukrainians have more backbone than the Afghans and Americans in Kabul, am I right?
Then again, this is what happens when you run an army, not on professional training, NCOs, and trust, but on ass-rape, corruption, and a total lack of a cohesive strategy. Which is how you get classics like this:

Huh?

Also, that's more reliable than some yahoo from some random propaganda blog that makes claims left and right.
That's an interesting margin you have there, but don't all of these news outlets have the same sources?
When both the left and the right say the same thing, it's obvious that it's not just some tabloid rumors.
Well if they have the same sources, they'll report the same thing, obviously. I don't understand why this is a Left and Right issue to you. Is it in America? Who do the Left support: hyper-capitalist shithole number 1 or hyper-capitalist shithole number 2?

When has the ISW ever gotten money from a government entity? They're not radiofreeeurope
No funding that has been trackable, anyway. They support foreign intervention by America into the affairs of other states, right? Seems odd that they would advocate a policy that only benefits America were they not. They have General Dynamics listed as one of their sponsors on their website - a military corporation would naturally want a think-tank like them to influence the decision-making process.

If you are not willing to trust news sources, why are you in a thread that aggregates news articles? Go to the general thread if you want to just piss around about nothing.
So in a news thread I should trust every news source that's shared?
 
So in a news thread I should trust every news source that's shared?
If all you are going to do is bitch about the reliability of news articles in a thread that aggregates news articles, you just being fucking retarded and not actually adding anything to the thread. If your answer to every article posted is literally "fuck the news/we can't trust the news/all news is propaganda/the news is unreliable", or some variation of one of the above, then you aren't engaging with the articles or the thread. All you've done is bitch about the news being untrustworthy. If you find the news in general to be so untrustworthy, then just fuck off and go somewhere else. Unless you've got articles from actual news sources disputing the articles in question, your bitching about the reliability of the news isn't even worth consideration. Its literally the most basic bitch "anti-MSM" shit you could post.
 
If all you are going to do is bitch about the reliability of news articles in a thread that aggregates news articles, you just being fucking retarded and not actually adding anything to the thread. If your answer to every article posted is literally "fuck the news/we can't trust the news/all news is propaganda/the news is unreliable", or some variation of one of the above, then you aren't engaging with the articles or the thread. All you've done is bitch about the news being untrustworthy. If you find the news in general to be so untrustworthy, then just fuck off and go somewhere else. Unless you've got articles from actual news sources disputing the articles in question, your bitching about the reliability of the news isn't even worth consideration. Its literally the most basic bitch "anti-MSM" shit you could post.
But this thread isn't about posting news, it's about retards like you bitching about people who support Russia. I don't really give a shit about the reliability of these articles as I'm biased against the news industry. But it's not like you guys are really discussing these articles, either. What do you do when "vatniks" like me or Feline Supremacist or Badungus Kabungus don't come around?

It maybe is a basic bitch take, but it's better than to follow whatever the media says, no matter how contradictory it is. 30 000 dead now? A few days ago I saw a claim that it was 14 000, a month before - 18 000. And all of these figures seem to come from Ukraine itself, they're not independently researched.
 
Unless you've got articles from actual news sources disputing the articles in question, your bitching about the reliability of the news isn't even worth consideration. Its literally the most basic bitch "anti-MSM" shit you could post.
You say that and it is true for the low effort vatnik rebuttal bullshit. They make wild accusations against anyone that disagrees with whatever Big Brother said. The mental loop-the-loops they do to "debunk" Oryx are hilarious.

But then you have @LORD IMPERATOR who comes at the thread with "mainstream low-effort journotard who thinks Carl Gustaf is a cologne brand said a bajillion T-90Ms were splattered by hypersonic rocks from slingshots from his cushy office in London" and you have to weigh it. There is a level of evidence that we need to uphold here. "Journalist says X" ain't it. We need to sorta agree on who is credible and who is not.

These people I find to be credible:

Either by them or the people they find credible you can learn a shitload about this conflict. They may be biased (they are totally biased) but they are not the random journoshit retards who have no goddamn clue what they are writing about and make embarrassing errors that leave the reader dumber for putting the time in to digest their digital vomit and who therefore should be launched out of a cannon into the sun because of what godawful fucking hacks they are.

I dislike vatniks. But these journalists had to go to school to learn how to be this shitty. They occupy a special place in my dislike sphere. It is very near hatred. They could very easily just report the truth but because they are too fucking lazy to do what I, a random (mostly) normie, can do and they decide "nah" then mail that shit in and do the absolute bare minimum. As a consequence a whole bunch of people who trust them are horribly misinformed. That crap I'd like to keep out of the thread.

We spent a couple pages just the other day deciphering some journotard's fuckup about US donations of HIMARS/MLRS because they didn't know it packs different kinds of missiles with different ranges and it was ATACMS that was held back. These people, who were selected to report on these matters for who-fucking-knows reasons, are totally clueless.

EDIT: There should be one exception. The Catparty exception. A take so bad. News so wrong. Things twisted so badly. That you just have to share it. The rumors of NATO biolabs growing killer slav super-AIDS that is spread by pigeons to destroy Russia being the perfect example of this. That was hilarious. This is a comedy site.
 
Last edited:
But this thread isn't about posting news, it's about retards like you bitching about people who support Russia.
No, its about posting news articles, which, in between the long winded sperging matches between vatniks and other posters on here, does in fact happen. Pointing out how stupid people who support Russia are isn't "bitching" in the slightest, and we'd probably have a lot less of it if Russian supporters didn't constantly shit up the thread.

It maybe is a basic bitch take, but it's better than to follow whatever the media says, no matter how contradictory it is. 30 000 dead now? A few days ago I saw a claim that it was 14 000, a month before - 18 000. And all of these figures seem to come from Ukraine itself, they're not independently researched.
Except foreign intelligence from other governments, like the U.K. and U.S. backup Ukraine's numbers as well, so it isn't just from them.

There is a level of evidence that we need to uphold here. "Journalist says X" ain't it. We need to sorta agree on who is credible and who is not.
The problem is, it really doesn't matter how reliable any source really is. You will have people coming in here and shitting up the thread by simply saying its "untrustworthy" without actually proving its untrustworthy. Journalists are dumb idiots, but many times they are just reporting what other official sources have already told them.
 
But then you have @LORD IMPERATOR who comes at the thread with "mainstream low-effort journotard who thinks Carl Gustaf is a cologne brand said a bajillion T-90Ms were splattered by hypersonic rocks from slingshots from his cushy office in London" and you have to weigh it. There is a level of evidence that we need to uphold here. "Journalist says X" ain't it. We need to sorta agree on who is credible and who is not.
So what? 90% of news sources aren't credible enough for you? Damn, that's just tinfoil hat syndrome at this point.

What you trust is your business, but to impose it on others is just as stupid as trusting every news site you come across, or trusting none of them at all.

Either by them or the people they find credible you can learn a shitload about this conflict. They may be biased (they are totally biased) but they are not the random journoshit retards who have no goddamn clue what they are writing about and make embarrassing errors that leave the reader dumber for putting the time in to digest their digital vomit and who therefore should be launched out of a cannon into the sun because of what godawful fucking hacks they are.
And your sources are supposed to be free of flaws, unlike mine? The fog of war is still in effect, we don't know the full truth until this war ends and they poke through both sides' shit and figure out the truth from the falsehoods. Some sources are going to be wrong. That includes mine......and yours.

Nobody's perfect. But most of the sources I pulled are from sources that most folks trust. So they're not just some random "journoshit" like it's fucking Gamergate all over again, these sources are far more well-known and have way more credibility in the eyes of the public than some random blogs or websites. So yes, I will keep using them. After all, we've been using these sites as news ever since this discussion about this war started. Why the fuck would we stop using them now?

But this thread isn't about posting news, it's about retards like you bitching about people who support Russia. I don't really give a shit about the reliability of these articles as I'm biased against the news industry. But it's not like you guys are really discussing these articles, either. What do you do when "vatniks" like me or Feline Supremacist or Badungus Kabungus don't come around?
This thread is about posting news. It's just that the news makes the Russians look stupid, so the majority of the people here turned very anti-Russian, while the vatniks stick with their own propaganda blogs because "TEH NEWS IZ WESTERN GLOBOHOMO PROPAGANDA!"

It maybe is a basic bitch take, but it's better than to follow whatever the media says, no matter how contradictory it is. 30 000 dead now? A few days ago I saw a claim that it was 14 000, a month before - 18 000. And all of these figures seem to come from Ukraine itself, they're not independently researched.
Really? Because it was, for a time, around in the 20K mark, and the figure only got bigger as the war went on........which is natural.

>Finland faces destruction if it joins NATO
>ACTUALLY Finland joining is not a big deal
>Western media is russophobic and provocative
>ANYWAY we should invade the Baltics and nuke Britain

Why are slavs so fucking scitzophrenic?
A lifetime of Vodka abuse does that to their rotting brains. It's called "Russian Roulette" for a reason; they gamble with their lives more loosely than western Europeans do. Hence this whole fucking war with Russia gambling an entire generation's worth of lives for a dirt war nobody needed.

How strong have I said Russia is? WHO has claimed that Kiev would fall by now? I originally thought Russia would win in 15 days, but I haven't made a prediction since, because I was wrong. If you're referring to that bogus claim that Russians would have taken Kiev in two days, the only ones I've seen who even brought it up are people like you, Joseph Stalin and the rest of the circlejerk pro-Ukraine crew.
Nope. In fact, most Russian fanboys estimated that Kiev would fall far sooner than 15 days. Then they held on for a month. Then they held on for two months. After which, we began to see who truly had the upper hand, and it wasn't Moscow.

Because Russian troops crossed through Belarus to attack Ukraine. If you can't even take a city that's within a stone's throw of your starting point, then you're not a superpower.

Surprisingly, I guess, but the Ukrainians have more backbone than the Afghans and Americans in Kabul, am I right?
No, they have better equipment and they're fighting gopniks whose leaders have no tactical acumen whatsoever.

You really haven't been paying attention to the weaknesses of the Russian military, have you?

That's an interesting margin you have there, but don't all of these news outlets have the same sources?
But they have opposing viewpoints. Usually, these news sites use different sources because they hate each other. For them to actually rely on the same source goes to show that said source is more trustworthy than their usual crop of sources.

Well if they have the same sources, they'll report the same thing, obviously. I don't understand why this is a Left and Right issue to you. Is it in America? Who do the Left support: hyper-capitalist shithole number 1 or hyper-capitalist shithole number 2?
The Left supports leftism, of course. They see capitalism as a disease and they see socialism as the cure.

So in a news thread I should trust every news source that's shared?
What you trust is your business. But this is a place where we discuss them. The fact that you just distrust most of them without going into why you distrust each and every one goes to show that you're no better than someone who trusts them all blindly.
 
Last edited:
And your sources are supposed to be free of flaws, unlike mine? The fog of war is still in effect, we don't know the full truth until this war ends and they poke through both sides' shit and figure out the truth from the falsehoods. Some sources are going to be wrong. That includes mine......and yours.
I do reserve judgement. I do realize the information I get isn't perfect. I'm not that oblivious.

HOWEVER. It's been weeks.

One, and only one, destroyed T-90M chassis is documented in that time. There would be more and more coming out if your bullshit was the case. But no. Same broken chassis. Same hull. Same place. Different angles.

That is why I am going so hard on you about this. Whatever T-90Ms were doing whatever in Ukraine took one loss then bugged the fuck out. You are spinning mainstream tard stories by clueless morons from half a month ago like it's gonna be this new reveal, just you wait guise. I'm already plugged into the people who would know long before your people would. UAWeapons would cum so hard his jizz would shoot through drywall and kill the neighbors poodle if another one got taken out. But the T-90Ms aren't there to be shot anymore. None more got shot. Fuckin' 127th TDF Bde holds all the land that that Russian T-90 unit used to hold between there and the border. They would absolutely show off that shit if they had killed another. I'd be super stoked about it too. But it didn't happen.

Stop. Please. There are times to play the "fog of war" game. This isn't the time.
 
Last edited:
I do reserve judgement. I do realize the information I get isn't perfect. I'm not that oblivious.

HOWEVER. It's been weeks.

One, and only one, destroyed T-90M chassis is documented in that time. There would be more and more coming out if your bullshit was the case. But no. Same broken chassis. Same hull. Same place. Different angles.

That is why I am going so hard on you about this. Whatever T-90Ms were doing whatever in Ukraine took one loss then bugged the fuck out. You are spinning mainstream tard stories by clueless morons from half a month ago like it's gonna be this new reveal, just you wait guise. I'm already plugged into the people who would know long before your people would. UAWeapons would cum so hard his jizz would shoot through drywall and kill the neighbors poodle if another one got taken out. But the T-90Ms aren't there to be shot anymore. None more got shot. Fuckin' 127th TDF Bde holds all the land that that Russian T-90 unit used to hold between there and the border. They would absolutely show off that shit if they had killed another. I'd be super stoked about it too. But it didn't happen.

Stop. Please. There are times to play the "fog of war" game. This isn't the time.
The fog of war isn't lifted UNTIL THE WAR IS FUCKING OVER. That is the whole point. And again, are we supposed to take the word of a few over many sources that confirm multiple T-90M casualties? There's unlikely, and then there's this shit.

Again, I have no problems believing the 90% of news sources which we have been using when they claim that there's multiple T-90Ms destroyed. Considering this war and the weapons used in it, I wouldn't be surprised if some T90Ms that were destroyed got so fucked up that you can't even tell the tank model from the ruins.
 
The fog of war isn't lifted UNTIL THE WAR IS FUCKING OVER.
"The fog of war means I am not proven wrong because I failed to show evidence of my bullshit in the next decade"

Stop using vatnik talking points. Put up or shut up. Evidence. Not retards repeating hearsay in the media or telegram. Pictures. Video. Evidence.

If you want me to believe it bring me Oryx-standard proof. Pic video link timestamp. You want me to take the word of some dink? Go fuck yourself. Show me. That is why Oryx is the gold-standard in this war. He demands the same. He only has one T-90M loss documented as well. I'm not the one straying from the line, you are. Some serious off-roading. Lies are bad. Lies in service of some greater good are worse. It undermines trust.

Remember the Sievierodonetsk river crossing fuckup where the 74th Motor Rifle got dabbed on by the 17th Tank's arty and all the Rusbots kept saying "proofs" and then a couple days later there was proofs of UA forces videoing on the ground documenting everything? You are acting that sure even though the timer expired a couple weeks ago. You live in a fog because you believe all the bullshit. Be discerning. Learn who to trust. It makes it all much easier.
 
Last edited:
Biden sticking his oar in again.


We will not try to oust Putin - Biden​

Image shows President Biden earlier this month

Getty ImagesCopyright: Getty Images
President Joe Biden made the announcement about the US sending Ukraine longer-range rocket systems in a guest essay published in the New York Times.
But beyond weapons, the president touched on other key issues in the conflict. He stated outright, for example, that the US would not seek to remove Vladimir Putin from power. He wrote:
As much as I disagree with Mr Putin... the United States will not try to bring about his ouster. So long as the United States or our allies are not attacked, we will not be directly engaged in this conflict
The president then added that the US would not seek to prolong the conflict solely to inflict pain on Russia. He also stressed that the US did not want war between Nato and Russia, and sought to reassure Moscow that he would not encourage Ukraine to strike outside of its territory.

His comment about the removal of Putin from power appears to clarify earlier, unscripted, comments he made during a speech in Poland in March. At the end of that speech, Biden said of the Russian president:

For God's sake, this man cannot remain in power
Analysts suggested that comment risked escalating the war. A spokesman for the Russian government described it as "astounding", and White House officials quickly attempted to row back.

"The president's point was that Putin cannot be allowed to exercise power over his neighbours or the region," a Biden administration official said

Given how the Biden admin operates, I guess US policy in a few months will be to oust Putin. To say this would be stupid is something of an understatement.
 
"The fog of war means I am not proven wrong because I failed to show evidence of my bullshit in the next decade"

Stop using vatnik talking points. Put up or shut up. Evidence. Not retards repeating hearsay in the media or telegram. Pictures. Video. Evidence.

If you want me to believe it bring me Oryx-standard proof. Pic video link timestamp. You want me to take the word of some dink? Go fuck yourself. Show me. That is why Oryx is the gold-standard in this war. He demands the same. He only has one T-90M loss documented as well. I'm not the one straying from the line, you are. Some serious off-roading. Lies are bad. Lies in service of some greater good are worse. It undermines trust.

Remember the Sievierodonetsk river crossing fuckup where the 74th Motor Rifle got dabbed on by the 17th Tank's arty and all the Rusbots kept saying "proofs" and then a couple days later there was proofs of UA forces videoing on the ground documenting everything? You are acting that sure even though the timer expired a couple weeks ago. You live in a fog because you believe all the bullshit. Be discerning. Learn who to trust. It makes it all much easier.
Again, most sources already say you're wrong, so talking about this is a waste of time.

We don't know for sure; that is the point. Neither one of us does, not until this war is over, and people from both sides start poking around to find out what happened. The fact that you're willing to die on this hill is so fucking stupid, especially when most reputable news sites have already said the opposite of what you say.

And again, a lack of photos of clearly-identifiable T-90M ruins isn't an absolute proof, especially considering the weapons used in this war can lead to many T-90Ms getting blown up so badly that you can't tell what model it is after it exploded.
 
This place has been the refuge for internet right-wing cast-offs that don't play nice ever since the New Zealand thing and 8chan ate shit. You seem pretty normal but most people with join dates like yours who haunt A&N aren't. There is a good reason the Errverlord hates this part of the site, we can't keep mods, and why we get those warnings when we join. There are legit unhinged crazy people here. Twitter has the left-wing ones. We get this.

I just see them as future halal threads and keep tabs on them. It'll all come out someday. Fucking weirdos.
Warily eyes their own join date.
Right, I'll avoid any sort of PL in the future then. :P
It's bizzare to me how the chattel in the L/DPR take so much abuse from their russian masters and march into minefields or Ukr defensive networks. We used to talk shit non stop on the Iraqi and Afghan National Army but at the end of the day we always gave them a decent set of body armor and a working rifle and kept them out of situations they weren't trained or equipped to handle. Your average Donbabwian power bottom smiles as he marches into the sights of a PKM thinking "at least I'm not Ukrainian". At least the post war Ukraine goverment won't have to bother jailing the traitors if they're already worm food.
You know what they say: God looks after drunks, fools, and the USA. I guess we feel the need to pay it forwards, and that God has long ago abandoned the drunken fools known as Russians.

@LORD IMPERATOR Dude, just take the L on this and move on, please. The actual truth of the matter, that Russia pulled out their remaining T-90's to avoid the inevitable embarrassment of them getting ganked on live stream is just as bad as several of them getting ganked live on the Internet, if not worse. It shows a lack of confidence by Russia in their own equipment, and considering tanks were one of their few industrial export goods before this, it bodes horribly for any desperate attempts at post-conflict sales.

Really, I like you a lot but you really need to learn cool your autism. Its showing.
 
Warily eyes their own join date.
Right, I'll avoid any sort of PL in the future then. :P

You know what they say: God looks after drunks, fools, and the USA. I guess we feel the need to pay it forwards, and that God has long ago abandoned the drunken fools known as Russians.

@LORD IMPERATOR Dude, just take the L on this and move on, please. The actual truth of the matter, that Russia pulled out their remaining T-90's to avoid the inevitable embarrassment of them getting ganked on live stream is just as bad as several of them getting ganked live on the Internet, if not worse. It shows a lack of confidence by Russia in their own equipment, and considering tanks were one of their few industrial export goods before this, it bodes horribly for any desperate attempts at post-conflict sales.

Really, I like you a lot but you really need to learn cool your autism. Its showing.
My point is, none of us know the absolute truth on how many T-90Ms have been destroyed. Not until this war is over. But I'm willing to bet more than one has been destroyed, especially since most news sites say so, and Russia pulling the T-90Ms back to avoid them all being annihilated means that they weren't that confident in its performance on the field. They obviously didn't want a repeat of what happened with the VDV. Especially since they actually sell these tanks abroad, and having them all get blown to bits by the Ukrainians would make a poor sell if they were to make more T-90Ms for foreign purchase.
 
Warily eyes their own join date.
Right, I'll avoid any sort of PL in the future then. :P
You and your lukewarm inoffensive and thoughtful normie takes. I watch you especially close. You are up to something.
Not until this war is over.
Russia is involved. "Truth" is what you can prove. You bring buckets of proof and bury them. You embarrass them with proof. This is the only way the vatnik will feel the emotion nearest approximated to shame for them. At least they shut up and move on. Sometimes.

This is what we all have been doing. But then there is this one fucking guy giving them easy openings and spreading around obvious propaganda bullshit...

It's you. Stop.
 
Last edited:
My point is, none of us know the absolute truth on how many T-90Ms have been destroyed. Not until this war is over. But I'm willing to bet more than one has been destroyed, especially since most news sites say so, and Russia pulling the T-90Ms back to avoid them all being annihilated means that they weren't that confident in its performance on the field. They obviously didn't want a repeat of what happened with the VDV. Especially since they actually sell these tanks abroad, and having them all get blown to bits by the Ukrainians would make a poor sell if they were to make more T-90Ms for foreign purchase.
This is a much better take on what you've been saying. Yes, its entirely possible more than one has been destroyed, but we only have confirmed evidence of one, the rest fucking off into thin air, or possibly even just abandoned after throwing a track into a ditch and busting some irreplaceable parts. I too am of the opinion something else had to have happened to see them disappear like greased lightning, but I doubt it was something so dramatic all of them getting blown up. Putin's probably holding them in reserve for his victory parade, or more realistically, a last stand to cover a retreat that will look good on the international market... except for the fact Ukraine will probably just drop a few of those Copperhead 155mm shells on them because they'll be deployed in a static cluster to look good for advertisements. Its the sort of vodka-brained move he'd directly order.
You and your lukewarm inoffensive and thoughtful normie takes. I watch you especially close. You are up to something.
They do say to watch out for the quiet ones...
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back