Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

[Melankia]

Can anyone say at what stage in situations like this the patient stops being a viable option for organ donation? How late is too late?

I'd like to think, if I were the parent of this kid, that's the route I'd be looking at now, trying to help as many other kids as possible.

from the most recent case I know of personally it can be up to 5 days.

 

[Blanche]

Being brain dead is only a portion of actual death and it has been a temporary phase in some cases.

This is the stupidest shit I've read on here so far, congrats.

 

[A tree]

You often hear about fundraisers to get kids help at special cancer centers in the US or Mexico. The people running these places are absolute quacks, who have nothing to do with actual medicine. They belong, not in jail, but UNDER THE JAIL.

The question is, do you tell the people fundraising for the kid? Will they even believe you?

This came up recently. A friend sent me a fundraiser for her friend I've met once to go to some nonsense gerson therapy place. I told her what nonsense it was and how her mate will still die of the cancer only she will spend her last days wasting time and money chasing bullshit cures. the Nhs told her the cancer is terminal but the family wouldnt accept it.

She then told me that the person who cooked this scheme up was another very narcissistic woman we know who was selflessly volunteering to accompany the cancer stricken lady to the clinic in Mexico. When she eventually went to the quack clinic in Germany instead for some reason this friend wasn't keen and didn't go on the holiday whoops i mean very important cancer treatment. I check on the fb every so often to see if the lady has succumbed to the cancer yet because im a ghoul. She seems fairly stable and hasn't tried to go back to the magic clinic. Good luck to her.

Currently still alive and posting denial and woo memes about surviving a terminal illness.

 

[Beautiful Border]

Julian Wooster sounds like a major cunt. Imagine being a "pro-family" and "pro-life" conservative that goes out of his way to kill kids and ruin a family.

I think this is a difference between British and American conservatism. American conservatism seems to be a lot more pious and moralistic. While people like that do exist in Britain too, they don't have any real institutional power. British conservatism is more of the fiscal variety, there is no large groundswell of support for banning things like abortion or sex education. Unfortunately, in instances such as this that also means they won't try to save a child's life if it will cost too much money.

 

[A tree]

I think this is a difference between British and American conservatism. American conservatism seems to be a lot more pious and moralistic. While people like that do exist in Britain too, they don't have any real institutional power. British conservatism is more of the fiscal variety, there is no large groundswell of support for banning things like abortion or sex education. Unfortunately, in instances such as this that also means they won't try to save a child's life if it will cost too much money.

Yes this exactly. Wooster is a petty bureaucrat whos stock answer is "no" . British conservatism means conserving the money in the rich mans pocket. In the King case, however, it wasn't even going to save any money it was about opposing and overruling the parents.

This is how he works his current position in children's services. The service he currently runs is notorious for refusing all requests from parents for help with their special needs child and making them go all the way to a tribunal just to get the child into a specialist school. This particular local authority is known for conceding the day before the tribunal becuse nobody actually read the child's file until that day. They just automatically say no and hope that the annoying parent will go away, be scared off by the legal case and home Ed their child instead of costing the LA the money that was already designated for such children.

In the King case it was very much "you're making us look bad so we must stop you". There are some really rotten people in the UKs local governments.

 

[I am the Muffin Maker]

A friend of a friend had a baby last week at 24 weeks due to premature labor...I'm not sure how much she weighs but she currently has a brain bleed and it isn't looking good.
As much as I do care about my friend, is it wrong to hope if the child is too fragile that she will go peacefully?
This thread reminds us all there are things worse than death but at the same time I feel like an asshole.

Brain bleeds in babies that young aren't uncommon. Many times it will resolve without apparent injury.

I'm sorry for your friend. That said, the odds are pretty good the baby survives.

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[booklover]

This came up recently. A friend sent me a fundraiser for her friend I've met once to go to some nonsense gerson therapy place. I told her what nonsense it was and how her mate will still die of the cancer only she will spend her last days wasting time and money chasing bullshit cures. the Nhs told her the cancer is terminal but the family wouldnt accept it.

She then told me that the person who cooked this scheme up was another very narcissistic woman we know who was selflessly volunteering to accompany the cancer stricken lady to the clinic in Mexico. When she eventually went to the quack clinic in Germany instead for some reason this friend wasn't keen and didn't go on the holiday whoops i mean very important cancer treatment. I check on the fb every so often to see if the lady has succumbed to the cancer yet because im a ghoul. She seems fairly stable and hasn't tried to go back to the magic clinic. Good luck to her.

Currently still alive and posting denial and woo memes about surviving a terminal illness.

Coretta Scott King died at a Tijuana cancer "clinic." IDK if it was a Gerson facility; if you've heard of people using coffee enemas to "treat" cancer, that was devised as part of the Gerson therapy, along with extensive juicing (which you drink). Granted, in the 1920s when it was invented, it probably worked about as well as anything else available at the time.

 

[Catmannjew]

Coretta Scott King died at a Tijuana cancer "clinic." IDK if it was a Gerson facility; if you've heard of people using coffee enemas to "treat" cancer, that was devised as part of the Gerson therapy, along with extensive juicing (which you drink). Granted, in the 1920s when it was invented, it probably worked about as well as anything else available at the time.

Aren't these done more often with people who get a very bad prognosis? You will try anything you can and you see people trying these treatments. Simply because they have nothing else to try.

Either way it is very sad for all involved.

 

[booklover]

Aren't these done more often with people who get a very bad prognosis? You will try anything you can and you see people trying these treatments. Simply because they have nothing else to try.

Either way it is very sad for all involved.

They seem to be about equally divided between people who have done what they could with traditional medicine, and were delivered a hopeless prognosis but were still well enough to travel, and people who eschew traditional medicine even if they could benefit from it, and then switch to traditional medicine when the cancer spreads anyway, and THEN it becomes hopeless.

Powerlevel: Gotta say that when I had my own early stage cancer diagnosis, they ran a genomic test on my tumor, and even though my insurance paid 100%, it still would have been worth $4,000 out of pocket to see the smile on my oncologist's face when he walked into the room to tell me that chemo would not be necessary or beneficial. My response? "Guess I can go raw vegan after all!" We laughed, and I said, "Yeesht, I'd rather have chemo than do that."

 

[Jeep1971]

Brain bleeds in babies that young aren't uncommon. Many times it will resolve without apparent injury.

I'm sorry for your friend. That said, the odds are pretty good the baby survives.

Use the Tool

This tool provides a range of possible outcomes for infants born extremely preterm. The outcomes are based on data from infants born at specific U.S. hospitals between 2006 and 2012. “Hospital range” in the tool results represent outcomes for 80% of hospitals included in this study (10th to 90th...

www.nichd.nih.gov

Personal sperg.
An old high school friend of mine had a grandchild born at 24 weeks who required bowel surgery,and also had brain bleeds.

Once she started growing they sent her home with a feeding tube and she looks very healthy now BUT.....
I don't think she escaped unharmed. Her eyes look like she's either got Downs or some other genetic disaster. But otherwise she is growing normal and reaching physical milestones.

 

[obsdj]

and people who eschew traditional medicine even if they could benefit from it, and then switch to traditional medicine when the cancer spreads anyway, and THEN it becomes hopeless.

Like Steve Jobs, neither a tard nor a baby, yet tardishly refused medical treatment for his treatable cancer in favor of juicing and bowel cleansing until it was too late.

 

[Disgruntled Pupper]

The worst part of that case was the way American wingnuts tried to use it as evidence that universal healthcare doesn't work. If Alfie had been born in the US he wouldn't have even got to the stage of being put on life support in the first place, his parents wouldn't have been able to afford it.

This is an outright lie that is both incredibly dumb and leads to false rumors about what happens in similar cases. Please explain to me how you think Jahi's family, who were certified Ghetto Niggers, managed to afford to keep her on life support? Or how Terry Schiavo's family afforded to keep her alive? Or how anyone can afford to keep someone on life support when a single day of it in an ICU can cost $10,000? If Alfie had been in the US he would have been put on life support same as anyone else and left on it until his heart gave out or until they found a hospital to do whatever experimental treatment they wanted to do and he died during the course of it. How you have this entire thread to look at and think anything different is baffling, but I guess when you're a smelly Europoor whatever lie the media tells you helps to distract from the shame.

 

[copacetic91]

Personal sperg.
An old high school friend of mine had a grandchild born at 24 weeks who required bowel surgery,and also had brain bleeds.

Once she started growing they sent her home with a feeding tube and she looks very healthy now BUT.....
I don't think she escaped unharmed. Her eyes look like she's either got Downs or some other genetic disaster. But otherwise she is growing normal and reaching physical milestones.

Preemies tend to have a certain “look” to them even once they get a little older, particularly those who were born earlier than others. Puffy-appearing eyes may be part of this appearance. I wonder if this could be from having less time in that cushioned amniotic fluid? Just speculating.

One thing that many may have in common is a funny-shaped head from being stuck in their NICU beds for a while- “NICUcephaly”

 

[A tree]

Preemies tend to have a certain “look” to them even once they get a little older, particularly those who were born earlier than others. Puffy-appearing eyes may be part of this appearance. I wonder if this could be from having less time in that cushioned amniotic fluid? Just speculating.

One thing that many may have in common is a funny-shaped head from being stuck in their NICU beds for a while- “NICUcephaly”

Syndrome faces are one of those funny things we can inherently spot as humans. Even SWANs that have no definition are often visible in the face just looking "off".

I saw a picture of my toddler niece the other day doing the autism smile, that sort of square grimace a bit like Cherie Blair (she's not autistic, just ugly lol). I would now put money on that kiddo turning out to be on the spectrum but it won't be diagnosable for years

 

[Dunkleosteus]

The premies I know mostly have kinda gaunt, angular faces despite being healthy or only slightly below healthy weights and no-one else in the family looking that way. Thin hair and poor hairlines too.

Spoiler: PL premies

I had twins at 28 weeks and the hospital's counsellor put us in contact with support a group for parents of premies. There's about 12 kids I met and literally my twins and 1 other girl avoided those facial features.

 

[Garbage.Theory]

A bit late on the whole “the guvmint is killing dead children” discussion, but I’ll add this.

I truly believe that keeping people, especially children hooked up to machines when there is no hope of recovery or a remotely normal life, to be abusive. Extremely abusive.
And when people harm children one would hope that the government would get involved to make them stop.

It’s one thing when there is real hope of recovery, even if slim. I’m not against the prolonging of life so people can say goodbye, or supporting a body when the brain is still functioning and that person wants to live. But hospice is not a dirty word and death is not the worst thing that can happen to a person.

 

[copacetic91]

Syndrome faces are one of those funny things we can inherently spot as humans. Even SWANs that have no definition are often visible in the face just looking "off".

Diagnostic facies

Wikipedia has a handy list as well

Edited to add: You will also hear doctors referring to an FLK- “funny looking kid“ who may appear to have some genetic issue going on

 

[MysticMisty]

Worth pointing out that, except in purely medical situations, preemies are preemies for a reason. And before advancements in medical interventions they were just exceptionally late miscarriages. It's more than just being born underdeveloped; they look like something's wrong with them because there is. I imagine the bulk of them are subsequently diagnosed with various known genetic syndromes or disorders. Or with an unknown one.

 

[snuffleupagus]

Worth pointing out that, except in purely medical situations, preemies are preemies for a reason. And before advancements in medical interventions they were just exceptionally late miscarriages. It's more than just being born underdeveloped; they look like something's wrong with them because there is. I imagine the bulk of them are subsequently diagnosed with various known genetic syndromes or disorders. Or with an unknown one.

I’ve always wondered if they’ve done any studies on micropreemies into adulthood. I only have a couple people I’ve known who were the first generation of micropreemies and to a one they were all fucked up humans: Irresponsible, drug/alcohol addicts, and lacking impulse control/maturity well into their 30s. It’s a small pool, but the consistency of absolute trash human behaviors makes me very curious how these preemies turn out as adults.

 

[Android raptor]

Aren't micropremies that don't go onto have serious, lifelong disabilities the exception? I would assume even the least disabled ones probably still have some issues, considering.