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Seriously man, who needs enemies when he's got a family like that. He should have just fucked off to a different state, preferably as far away from them as possible, and blocked all their contacts.
Having actually read his update, it seems he and his now wife have actually come to some kind of understanding, and the therapist was mostly to blame. Said therapist is now unemployed, and it turns out that his wife was not the first person whose relationships she ruined.
 
Having actually read his update, it seems he and his now wife have actually come to some kind of understanding, and the therapist was mostly to blame. Said therapist is now unemployed, and it turns out that his wife was not the first person whose relationships she ruined.
Sounds like that therapist tried to forcibly spread an ideology among her patients. Reminds me of school counselors whose response to every problem a kid comes to her (it's almost always women who attempt that kind of shit) with is to troon the kid out.
 
But how stupid do you have to be to let someone holding a clipboard convince you that "I should date other people but you should stay faithful because I'll get jealous" isn't the most self-absorbed thing you can say? Even the redditors in r/polyamory are WAY better at manipulation than that and know not to word it that damn bluntly when trying to indoctrinate their victim.

And there were little hints that the fiance was painting a picture of a doormat when talking about him in her sessions to the point the therapist was shocked when she actually met him. The therapist was definitely a problem, but I'm not sure how much blame I can put on just her alone. The nowwife was a fully grown woman with an education, a job, and life experiences. She couldn't think for herself?
 
But how stupid do you have to be to let someone holding a clipboard convince you that "I should date other people but you should stay faithful because I'll get jealous" isn't the most self-absorbed thing you can say? Even the redditors in r/polyamory are WAY better at manipulation than that and know not to word it that damn bluntly when trying to indoctrinate their victim.
yeah, sloppy groomer therapists and shrinks are nothing new, it's because of their cultural air of authority on mental and relationship help. People with soggy minds are easy enough to manipulate for an unqualified loser with a type B personality disorder. But put them in that situation, when the therapist is telling them to do something they already half wanted to; Nothing will break the indoctrination unless a 3rd party with a triple digit IQ shows up.
 
yeah, sloppy groomer therapists and shrinks are nothing new, it's because of their cultural air of authority on mental and relationship help.

They do have such a high cultural status with some kind of perceived authority, don't they. Which wouldn't mean anything if their patients didn't buy into it but many apparently do.
These poly-pushing therapists are really interesting. I get mad at the internet whenever I read about them, but it's just so fascinating. It goes beyond laughing at retards.

I cringed so hard, in this case, at her opening statement: "We live in a modern world". If anyone wants to convince me of anything, this would be the worst possible choice of words. Anything after that would be treated with utmost suspicion and contempt.
 
They do have such a high cultural status with some kind of perceived authority, don't they. Which wouldn't mean anything if their patients didn't buy into it but many apparently do.
These poly-pushing therapists are really interesting. I get mad at the internet whenever I read about them, but it's just so fascinating. It goes beyond laughing at retards.

I cringed so hard, in this case, at her opening statement: "We live in a modern world". If anyone wants to convince me of anything, this would be the worst possible choice of words. Anything after that would be treated with utmost suspicion and contempt.
the internet is full of psych munchies who complain endlessly about
>muh mental health
>muh anxiety
>muh depression
>muh trauma
all while exalting the idea of therapy as the great solution to all these 'problems'

also it's the kind of profession that inherently attracts a certain type of people - the "work" literally consists of talking in circles about peoples feelings, forever, with no way to objectively assess anything about the patient or the therapists work itself. if you're the type of guy who's good at sweet talking and bullshitting people, this is an absolute dream job for you, and it also provides you with an endless supply of new people who are put in a position where they are extremely receptive to whatever you want to tell them.

basically if you're a sociopath who enjoys influencing and manipulating people, this is the best job in the world for you. no other position gives you this level of access to potential targets.
 
the internet is full of psych munchies who complain endlessly about
>muh mental health
>muh anxiety
>muh depression
>muh trauma
all while exalting the idea of therapy as the great solution to all these 'problems'

also it's the kind of profession that inherently attracts a certain type of people - the "work" literally consists of talking in circles about peoples feelings, forever, with no way to objectively assess anything about the patient or the therapists work itself. if you're the type of guy who's good at sweet talking and bullshitting people, this is an absolute dream job for you, and it also provides you with an endless supply of new people who are put in a position where they are extremely receptive to whatever you want to tell them.

basically if you're a sociopath who enjoys influencing and manipulating people, this is the best job in the world for you. no other position gives you this level of access to potential targets.
Word salad is a lot more beneficial than actually solving and treating the problems that could end up destroying and damaging a person’s personal lifestyle and mental state if left unchecked and unsupervised.

I bet these are the type of people that freeze up when they can’t answer with a straight face as to why mental asylums are still closed down, yet feel good pseudo talk is still the New Age™ way of thinking good thoughts.
 
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But how stupid do you have to be to let someone holding a clipboard convince you that "I should date other people but you should stay faithful because I'll get jealous" isn't the most self-absorbed thing you can say? Even the redditors in r/polyamory are WAY better at manipulation than that and know not to word it that damn bluntly when trying to indoctrinate their victim.
It's not really about stupidity as much as vulnerablity. All people are cult material if you catch them at the right time and smarter people are some of the best targets. They can come up explainations and excuse so much faster than dummies so it can be harder to snap them out of it and they tend to think they are above of falling into something like that.

Cults don't start with the poison coolaid, cults get their hold on people by giving out actual help and support at the start. If you give that to people when they are at their lowest, loneliest or/and confused, you can convince them just about anything with time. You were a reason they got better so they trust you, now you need get rid of other things they trust so that your voice is the only one. Encourage being involved with the cult as much as possible, praying, volunteering, training or socializing. Cut them off from friends and family, if not physically convince that they aren't good enough. Make them seem abusive or dumb, what they are saying not worth of listening. Make the new cult member to think they are better than those people because they are involved with the cult and improving themselves by doing cult activities. This isn't that hard when they trust you and you know what they value. This point you can indulge into making them do bad things pretty easy. You are giving out meaningful praise and other sources for that are cut off, people are kinda depending on the cult so getting cut off will look like a horrible idea.
 
I was chatting with some acquaintances about pride recently, and how despite me being LGBT I had no desire to go to any pride parade. Then one of them, who I knew to be straight as an arrow, piped up with

"Oh yeah, I'm also included in pride."
What do you mean?
"I'm poly."
That's...That's not how it works. You know what, nevermind. Even more reason for me to not like it.

I was aware of them being poly, but it came as a wake up to hear it lumped in with people who are gay/bi/ace/etc. Not to mention the myriad of fakegenders but that's nothing new. If poly people can be included in the LGBT+ then what other fetishes (okay maybe that's being a bit too harsh, but it's nicer than saying degeneracy) will be shoved in there? The few poly people I know are completely straight, and without any regard to the people they date's feelings. Do you think it's actually qualified? Who knows.
 
but it came as a wake up to hear it lumped in with people who are gay

I think this is the logic:
The more you deviate from the norm, the better, more enlightened and free you are. That makes you special, which in turn makes you oppressed by the normies, and then you naturally share the struggle with gays and everyone else, including black people.

Of course people who just fuck around aren't actually that different from normies, but never underestimate people's need to feel special. They can't just be impulsive idiots who fuck around. They must be something more, so they have their own books, their own supposed rules, culture and vocabulary to sell the lie first to themselves, and then their idiot companions/spouses. Trying to expand to LGBT is the next step, because why not?

In short, homosexuals are slowly being dumped by their own movement to make room for attention whores. Love is love!

Do you think it's actually qualified?

Nobody in their right mind thinks it qualifies as anything.
 
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Poly people are so frickin smug about the idea that jealousy is a thing you can just ignore.

If a boyfriend wanted to make out with his ex, then he would be an ex.
This is something that stuck out to me from page 1 of this thread. Jealousy is a key human emotion and you can't just turn it off. The idea you are "smart enough" or that reading reddit posts will undo a basic human feeling is pure ego driven delusion. Poly can really only works if you have zero love or feelings for your partner and at that point why even bother? Why would you even be dating them? If you do love them it's purely destructive. Long-term there are no happy endings in polyamory. Ruined marriages, STD's, jealousy, anger, depression and sadness. For what? So you could COOM more? Personally I don't find that a great reason to ruin a relationship. It's just negative for everyone unless you are a sociopath Ted Bundy type who feels no attachment to anyone.
 
Jealousy is a key human emotion and you can't just turn it off.
Jealousy and shame can be really useful, they both serve a purpose. But in the current year jealousy always means either immaturity or overly possessive psycho behavior, and feeling shame is about being mentally crippled beyond any capacity to function. They're indeed treated as things that should not exist. This thread has so many examples of narsissistic assholes feeling no shame while they shame their supposed partners into quiet suffering for having natural feelings of jealousy.
 
This is something that stuck out to me from page 1 of this thread. Jealousy is a key human emotion and you can't just turn it off. The idea you are "smart enough" or that reading reddit posts will undo a basic human feeling is pure ego driven delusion. Poly can really only works if you have zero love or feelings for your partner and at that point why even bother? Why would you even be dating them? If you do love them it's purely destructive. Long-term there are no happy endings in polyamory. Ruined marriages, STD's, jealousy, anger, depression and sadness. For what? So you could COOM more? Personally I don't find that a great reason to ruin a relationship. It's just negative for everyone unless you are a sociopath Ted Bundy type who feels no attachment to anyone.
There's this weirdly persistent delusion in the modern era that you can just willpower/reason yourself out of key human emotions like some kind of vulcan.
 
It's from one of the relationship subreddits which all absolutely despise open relationships. https://www.reddit.com/r/relationsh...ance_wanted_an_open_marriage_so_i_called_off/

The updates are both insane and disappointing though now that I've read them. Turns out the therapist has a history of manipulating her patients into thinking all their problems are caused by not cheating enough, loves ruining as many relationships as possible, and eventually loses her license. The exfiancee, her family, and his own family gang up on him over and over again until they successfully convince him that his ex is just a helpless pet retard who won't do it again because now she knows she done bad. They all basically chanted "Please look at her boobs and take her back or she'll die from natural selection" at him everyday. I'd call him a cuck but she seems to have lowered herself a lot more than he did with the way she got him back. I'd also call it fake but it's weird he's still active on reddit with the same facade going on 4 years later.

Her story changes on both times she came back to him as well.

First time it was "it was the Therapist and work was stressful : ( plz read my journal" he gets badgered into taking it and then just sends it back because he doesn't want to read an explaination. Then she turns up at his work and adds "I had a friend in an open relationship projecting on me, I learned my dad is a cheater, and also I miscarried our child at some point, surprise!"

I mean everything else aside, assuming the Journal had this info as well, I'm not sure how she felt this guy would feel any better being told this extra stuff via journal entries he was not supposed to see till she accidentally killed the entire relationship.

TBF It does sound like the partner is the easily led type and not someone who genuinely wanted to play the field. Also OP seems to be some sort of lawyer and they both come from some money, so the family def invested in their futures. Therapist told not-ex that OP being a lawyer man from money means he will inevitably fuck around and therefore she needed to also fuck around to "even the field". Also she did basically pledge she would let him have full access to her phones ect to avoid this ever happening again

I mean if they are working past that hot mess, good for them I suppose - I feel like it's hard to have the equal "modern" relationship OP is hoping for if the partner has a habit of not cluing him on her less than perfect days but if they are married now, I imagine less chance of an outside influence getting to her anyway.
 
Jealousy and shame can be really useful, they both serve a purpose.
Shame is generally mentally unhealthy though. What these polyamorist need is guilt, which is quite healthy and something I'm sure very few of them feel.

Jealousy comes out of natural human emotion, but must be tempered or avoided, because it generally leads only to messier emotions. There is a reason the Bible makes a point of warning people off of envy and making it clear that it is a sin. To want your spouse to be exclusive is not that negative kind of jealousy. What these polyamorists do drives people to that negative kind.
 
Shame is generally mentally unhealthy though. What these polyamorist need is guilt, which is quite healthy and something I'm sure very few of them feel.

Jealousy comes out of natural human emotion, but must be tempered or avoided, because it generally leads only to messier emotions. There is a reason the Bible makes a point of warning people off of envy and making it clear that it is a sin. To want your spouse to be exclusive is not that negative kind of jealousy. What these polyamorists do drives people to that negative kind.
I don't agree with much of that. To me, it reeks of the kind of autistic suppression of emotion that characterizes the worst aspects of the poly crowd.

Shame, guilt, and jealousy, like anger and fear, are painful to experience and are poor unregulated guides to conduct, but they can serve as useful indicators that you may need to examine your situation.

Anger or jealousy may mean that you're being treated poorly by someone. If so, you may want to act reasonably to correct the inequity.

Fear may be telling you there's a danger you haven't properly considered. You might want to identify and examine that danger before proceeding.

Shame is a warning that you may be expending social capital you can't afford. That's worth weighing before you go on.

Guilt suggests that you may not be acting in accordance with your values. This is especially worth a good think.

Again, these feelings shouldn't be acted on without rational consideration. They shouldn't make you go where your brain doesn't want to follow. But ignoring them or pretending them away will only make them stronger. Bring them out in the open and look at them with a critical eye. Sometimes they may be helpful.
 
My relationship isn't even failing :(
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Naturally, the comments are just telling her to cut contact with her toxic (and correct) friend
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