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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Ukrainian deaths along the way are a risk Biden et al. are willing to take. See: effectively expired AT weapons graciously gifted by Germany.
Yes, because Ze Germans should be taken as an example of how to run functioning anything. Germany is above and beyond a standout example of incompetence at all levels, not just militarily, but with the shitshow that is their energy sector as a result of Energiewende fucking things over for them as it turns out sunshine and good wishes can't provide baseload power. They're a drooling retard saying "We're helping!" even as they put in as little effort as they have to to keep up appearances.

As to the Ukrainian deaths, the Ukrainians would be dying either way as a result of resisting the Russians, either openly or in guerilla warfare, and the aid means they're less likely due to die thanks to reducing the materiel discrepancy between them and Russia, especially where artillery is concerned. If they're going to die either way, might as well give them the kit to take more Russians down with them.
What should worry vatniks is what they send after that. The logistics chain will be fully established then. Fun times.
Its been confirmed the US is sending HIMARS and plenty of rockets. The Russians should be very, very afraid.
 
"only pretending to be retarded"
We all know what you meant. You exaggerated the opposing side to make yours sound somewhat reasonable.

Oh no. The stockpile that was going to go bad and be totally obsolete has found a purpose killing the enemy it was built to kill.

What a strong argument you have. M109A3GNs were drug out of storage and brought into this conflict. 1960's American SPGs sold to Germany then to Norway then kept in a shed for 30 years. They have a role here. The question should be how these SPGs are adopted so readily, in weeks, rather than "OMG so old". It's ammo is NATO standardized. How long do they want the 155mm pain to last. Surplus stored Norwegian M109s are the pimple on the ass of nothing in the collective arsenal. They could send them all. What should worry vatniks is what they send after that. The logistics chain will be fully established then. Fun times.
You are being a retarded boomer, it was obviously a joke and now you're popping a blood vessel over it. Look up "over 9000" to learn about one of the earlier maymays and then take your blood pressure medicine.
 
Nope. The average Westerner doesn't give a damn about dying Ukrainians.
>Countless Western Governments, charities and companies: Donate billions in money, food, medical supplies, military ordinance, and even UCAVs and fighter jets purchased with fund raisers or personal bank accounts to help Ukraine
>Adian from Kiwi farms: Nah trust me bro, my homies at stopthesteal.org dgaf about Ukraine so neither does the rest of the west
 
You are being a retarded boomer, it was obviously a joke and now you're popping a blood vessel over it. Look up "over 9000" to learn about one of the earlier maymays and then take your blood pressure medicine.
Durr boomer. Durr doesn't understand the "over 9000" meme.

How about me calling you out for being an obvious shill. A shill is you. Try that on for old memes.

All your bullshit slants one way. I notice you never ever call out absolutely ridiculous Ruskie propaganda where they are dropping on Berlin and shit (they just don't wanna) but you make it a point that the opposite side of the coin Ukie stupid crap is "the line" and is so turrible. Guise. We gotta switch side here. They lie so much. OMG. Guise. Boomers. They don't understand 9000. Listen guise,

Gee. That's fuckin' weird. Wunder where all that came from.

Eat shit vatnik. I see where you lie. And before you point fingers back at me see the running gun battle between me and @LORD IMPERATOR over his obvious Ukie propaganda shit.
 
>Countless Western Governments, charities and companies: Donate billions in money, food, medical supplies, military ordinance, and even UCAVs and fighter jets purchased with fund raisers or personal bank accounts to help Ukraine
>Adian from Kiwi farms: Nah trust me bro, my homies at stopthesteal.org dgaf about Ukraine so neither does the rest of the west
And you say I post in bad faith. I'm merely sharing my perspective and you're somehow upset by even that. smdh my head
You know what I mean by "average westerner"
Durr boomer. Durr doesn't understand the "over 9000" meme.

How about me calling you out for being an obvious shill. A shill is you. Try that on for old memes.

All your bullshit slants one way. I notice you never ever call out absolutely ridiculous Ruskie propaganda where they are dropping on Berlin and shit (they just don't wanna) but you make it a point that the opposite side of the coin Ukie stupid crap is "the line" and is so turrible. Guise. We gotta switch side here. They lie so much. OMG. Guise. Boomers. They don't understand 9000. Listen guise,

Gee. That's fuckin' weird. Wunder where all that came from.

Eat shit vatnik. I see where you lie.
Nah I did make fun of Russkie propaganda where it existed but it's barely in this thread because for some strange reason a lot of those posts got deleted because someone itt reports dissenting posts. Curious innit?
I've made fun of it where it pops up but they don't do it near as much or as badly as the Ukrainian government, it's mostly usual numbers and blustering. Ukraine is the low hanging fruit there. I made fun of Moskva but just because you didn't see it doesn't mean it's not there. I made fun of Putin and even posted monke memes early on.

That's the problem with this thread, you're either all in on supporting Ukraine or you are pro-Russian. There's no other ground because blinders are on. Get the fuck over it and yeah you are a boomer who doesn't understand a prolific meme, and that's fine, but the sperging is not.

Good to know that you're actually offended by it.
 
Nah I did make fun of Russkie propaganda where it existed but it's barely in this thread because for some strange reason a lot of those posts got deleted because someone itt reports dissenting posts. Curious innit?
You can stop posting this made up bullshit. Null already says there isn't an active jannie here so unless you're going to lie to us and say null is deleting these mysterious phantom posts you can stop pretending.
 
You can stop posting this made up bullshit. Null already says there isn't an active jannie here so unless you're going to lie to us and say null is deleting these mysterious phantom posts you can stop pretending.
When it happened I even posted a screenshot of one of the deleted posts that wasn't mine. Lord Imperator's posts from that time were also deleted, along with someone else who I don't remember atm. It was mostly Lord Imperator and I as we went back and forth with a few others mixed in, then multiple pages got axed even though they were largely on topic.

Believe it or don't. Maybe worth considering why this thread is on Null's radar at all if there aren't a bunch of reports coming from it.
 
Durr boomer. Durr doesn't understand the "over 9000" meme.

How about me calling you out for being an obvious shill. A shill is you. Try that on for old memes.

All your bullshit slants one way. I notice you never ever call out absolutely ridiculous Ruskie propaganda where they are dropping on Berlin and shit (they just don't wanna) but you make it a point that the opposite side of the coin Ukie stupid crap is "the line" and is so turrible. Guise. We gotta switch side here. They lie so much. OMG. Guise. Boomers. They don't understand 9000. Listen guise,

Gee. That's fuckin' weird. Wunder where all that came from.

Eat shit vatnik. I see where you lie. And before you point fingers back at me see the running gun battle between me and @LORD IMPERATOR over his obvious Ukie propaganda shit.
I love how "RUSSIAN SHILL!!!" has become the default response for every boomer mutt, left or right, upon encountering some opinion they don't like on the internet.
 
When it happened I even posted a screenshot of one of the deleted posts that wasn't mine. Lord Imperator's posts from that time were also deleted, along with someone else who I don't remember atm. It was mostly Lord Imperator and I as we went back and forth with a few others mixed in, then multiple pages got axed even though they were largely on topic.

Believe it or don't. Maybe worth considering why this thread is on Null's radar at all if there aren't a bunch of reports coming from it.
Okay so it went from the pro Ukraine shills are mass reporting all pro Russia posts to now several posts posted by both parties are mysteriously being deleted. So why are you implying it's a flaggot gay op?
 
a new infographic showing how russian objectives have been changing during this war

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Okay so it went from the pro Ukraine shills are mass reporting all pro Russia posts
No but you're welcome to quote where I said that.
to now several posts posted by both parties are mysteriously being deleted. So why are you implying it's a flaggot gay op?
I'm implying some fag(s?) reported a bunch of posts and they got deleted.
edit for clarity: The posts were not remotely off topic. I had posted a few articles and more verbosely outlined my views which I don't care to do normally because it's not worth doing in this thread for reasons I think are apparent in the last 2 pages. My guess as to why "both parties" had stuff deleted is it was intermingled with my posts as the range of deletions extended until I left the thread at the time. /'tism

Here's Null's quote so this is obviously happening.
Link to avoid pinging unduly
People are reporting a ton of posts in this thread for being off-topic and I don't know what you want me to do about it. I'm not going to try and police this 500 page long off-topic thread about a war where a bunch of retarded faggots are simping for two slavic countries they've literally never even been to. All A&H mods quit the site or retire immediately after being promoted -- and the last one wanted to just ban all of you. So I don't know, maybe stop being such complete and utter shit all the fucking time.
 
I love how "RUSSIAN SHILL!!!" has become the default response for every boomer mutt, left or right, upon encountering some opinion they don't like on the internet.
What else could it be besides utter fucking stupidity that would explain them constantly parroting this idiotic shit? You'll have to be pretty damn dumb to swallow Kremlin propaganda.
And of course you're not going to call out these mofos for dismissing everyone who disagrees with them as "lololol redditors", as if only karma-whoring virtue-signalling trannies have a reason to care about this situation.
Let's not pretend that they're arguing in good faith, no matter what we say they can't let go living out their demented power fantasy about owning globohomo through daddy Putin.
And as for genuine vatniks... only grave will fix them.
 
That's the problem with this thread, you're either all in on supporting Ukraine or you are pro-Russian. There's no other ground because blinders are on. Get the fuck over it and yeah you are a boomer who doesn't understand a prolific meme, and that's fine, but the sperging is not.
Fuck that. There is a third way. Many confuse it as being pro-Uke because of how supportive it is. But it's not because we actually care about their state.

I'm pro sending the Ukes gear to bury Russians so I don't have to spend tax dollars later trying to match their military or at worst the lives of people I care about. How's that? People are fighting over propaganda bullshit. The sob story crap in the normie news. I just want to know how many tank hulls got broken and am doing back of the envelope calculations on how much it will cost to replace them. That is what matters to me and mine. Cold calculation. If that means some surplus and some billions of dollary-doos. Worth it. We would spend more later if not. Cheap, if inopportune, buy in to burying a strategic enemy. It is blatantly obvious.

Also lots of laughing at their ambition. They are totally serious when they talk about this Berlin crap. It's one thing to laugh at the spunky defender Baghdad Bob style when they get wrecked. But when they picked the place and time with what should have been a superior force on paper? And these guys are supposed to take down NATO? Shit. You call a doctor to schedule your hernia surgery for the belly laughs about it.

Russia has made it plain. This isn't Rus/Uke it is Rus/Uke+NATOwillforukes and they are getting tooled at least on that goal. Bloody as hell and costing NATO pennies on the dollar/euro. More war please. Make sure to break more of their shit. Yeah yeah Uke thots can go bang sketchy Italians if they want to. They deserve to make each other miserable. I just want more broken war machines that Russia spent 8 years building towards. It means those machines don't kill people worth a shit later.
 
Fuck that. There is a third way. Many confuse it as being pro-Uke because of how supportive it is. But it's not because we actually care about their state.

I'm pro sending the Ukes gear to bury Russians so I don't have to spend tax dollars later trying to match their military or at worst the lives of people I care about. How's that? People are fighting over propaganda bullshit. The sob story crap in the normie news. I just want to know how many tank hulls got broken and am doing back of the envelope calculations on how much it will cost to replace them. That is what matters to me and mine. Cold calculation. If that means some surplus and some billions of dollary-doos. Worth it. We would spend more later if not. Cheap, if inopportune, buy in to burying a strategic enemy. It is blatantly obvious.

Also lots of laughing at their ambition. They are totally serious when they talk about this Berlin crap. It's one thing to laugh at the spunky defender Baghdad Bob style when they get wrecked. But when they picked the place and time with what should have been a superior force on paper? And these guys are supposed to take down NATO? Shit. You call a doctor to schedule your hernia surgery for the belly laughs about it.

Russia has made it plain. This isn't Rus/Uke it is Rus/Uke+NATOwillforukes and they are getting tooled at least on that goal. Bloody as hell and costing NATO pennies on the dollar/euro. More war please. Make sure to break more of their shit. Yeah yeah Uke thots can go bang sketchy Italians if they want to. They deserve to make each other miserable. I just want more broken war machines that Russia spent 8 years building towards. It means those machines don't kill people worth a shit later.
Fuck, Russia is openly antagonistic to the West, so it's only fair. Their propaganda doesn't shut up about rolling through Europe ("if they wanted") and nuking US ("if they wanted").
So have a taste, stupid vatniks. Here's a reality check from US military–industrial complex.

Russians won't be able to enjoy peace and prosperity while this warmongering imperialistic idiocy lives.
 
What else could it be besides utter fucking stupidity that would explain them constantly parroting this idiotic shit? You'll have to be pretty damn dumb to swallow Kremlin propaganda.
And of course you're not going to call out these mofos for dismissing everyone who disagrees with them as "lololol redditors", as if only karma-whoring virtue-signalling trannies have a reason to care about this situation.
Let's not pretend that they're arguing in good faith, no matter what we say they can't let go living out their demented power fantasy about owning globohomo through daddy Putin.
>And of course you're not going to call out these mofos for dismissing everyone who disagrees with them as "lololol redditors"
Lol no, because it's accurate in most cases. Saying someone is being an immature faggot (Redditor) is substantially different from saying someone is a Russian government shill. This comes off as schizo.
 
Fuck that. There is a third way. Many confuse it as being pro-Uke because of how supportive it is. But it's not because we actually care about their state.

I'm pro sending the Ukes gear to bury Russians so I don't have to spend tax dollars later trying to match their military or at worst the lives of people I care about. How's that? People are fighting over propaganda bullshit. The sob story crap in the normie news. I just want to know how many tank hulls got broken and am doing back of the envelope calculations on how much it will cost to replace them. That is what matters to me and mine. Cold calculation. If that means some surplus and some billions of dollary-doos. Worth it. We would spend more later if not. Cheap, if inopportune, buy in to burying a strategic enemy. It is blatantly obvious.

Also lots of laughing at their ambition. They are totally serious when they talk about this Berlin crap. It's one thing to laugh at the spunky defender Baghdad Bob style when they get wrecked. But when they picked the place and time with what should have been a superior force on paper? And these guys are supposed to take down NATO? Shit. You call a doctor to schedule your hernia surgery for the belly laughs about it.

Russia has made it plain. This isn't Rus/Uke it is Rus/Uke+NATOwillforukes and they are getting tooled at least on that goal. Bloody as hell and costing NATO pennies on the dollar/euro. More war please. Make sure to break more of their shit. Yeah yeah Uke thots can go bang sketchy Italians if they want to. They deserve to make each other miserable. I just want more broken war machines that Russia spent 8 years building towards. It means those machines don't kill people worth a shit later.
I was referring to this thread specifically but yes that's a major avenue that Dan Crenshaw basically laid out as the official American policy and justification for supporting the 40 billion. I disagree with that as it ultimately ties back into "Yeah throw Ukrainian bodies at Russia and it's a win/win. Save money and avoid American bloodshed!" What's weird is Ukrainians don't seem to call that out for what it is, I mean I'd be upset with anyone doing that with our troops.

You can say the Ukrainians would be worse off but we're basically giving them just enough to do damage and die. Allegedly we're not even giving them intelligence for accurate targeting which is relatively cheap. We already know our own president has direct corrupt ties to Ukraine and tried to shut down an investigation into corruption as VP, so a weakened Ukraine reliant on the US is beneficial to him and who knows who else and it goes without saying a weakened Russia is welcome news to many others.

I see Ukrainians being used as unwitting pawns where their victory or loss isn't really relevant to those egging them on, so long as sufficient damage is done to Russia. That is evil.

It means those machines don't kill people worth a shit later.
Worth highlighting.
 
Here's a reality check from US military–industrial complex.
That isn't really even involved yet. This conversation began about M109A3GNs from fuckin' Norway. 1960's milsurp dug out of a cave. The US stuff has yet to land. Literally.

The US is playing it's hand very close to the vest and letting the EU part of NATO play the antagonist here. We have so many guns. Guns made to kill Russians. Guns built to wreck their shit specifically in exactly this kind of war. Do you know how much it kills me to send National Guard M113s instead of M2 Bradleys ready to rock-and-roll out of US army depots? I paid for that. Why isn't it killing America's enemies right now. I don't care who drives it. As long as the enemy is dead and their shit got blown up by a Bushmaster chain gun. Do it. Aaaaggghhhhhh.
 
I was referring to this thread specifically but yes that's a major avenue that Dan Crenshaw basically laid out as the official American policy and justification for supporting the 40 billion. I disagree with that as it ultimately ties back into "Yeah throw Ukrainian bodies at Russia and it's a win/win. Save money and avoid American bloodshed!" What's weird is Ukrainians don't seem to call that out for what it is, I mean I'd be upset with anyone doing that with our troops.
well what is the alternative? not take the weapons "to not be pawns" and let Russia roll over them? this war is helping US interests, but same can be said for russia- china relations- while russia gets sanctioned to hell, China will make a mint on it, selling russians crap that th west used to sell them, and possibly will make russia more dependent politically on China. Are russians the pawns of chinks?

You can say the Ukrainians would be worse off but we're basically giving them just enough to do damage and die.
debatable statement
 
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