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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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I see Ukrainians being used as unwitting pawns where their victory or loss isn't really relevant to those egging them on, so long as sufficient damage is done to Russia. That is evil.
That is the mutually beneficial arrangement. We give gear. They give dead Russians. Everyone is happy. Do you understand how NATO works? It is all a system to do that. No, of course not. You are a shill. You pretend is works one way then not the other based on whatever argument you are making.
 
>And of course you're not going to call out these mofos for dismissing everyone who disagrees with them as "lololol redditors"
Lol no, because it's accurate in most cases. Saying someone is being an immature faggot (Redditor) is substantially different from saying someone is a Russian government shill. This comes off as schizo.
Dunno man, you lot keep seeing CIA agents everywhere in Ukraine.
 
well what is the alternative? not take the weapons "to not be pawns" and let Russia roll over them?
I meant the average Ukrainian, not the government who isn't as negatively impacted as the soldiers getting shafted and their families who won't see many of them again. Obviously Ukraine should take whatever it can get, but then any pro-Ukie should be saying obviously the US should be giving everything it can which it isn't. Denying coordinates for fire is extra petty, for example. I can only imagine what else they deny and I imagine they do it because Ukraine can't operate like the US can so just having them do this slog is simpler and good enough.
this war is helping US interests, but same can be said for russia- china relations- while russia gets sanctioned to hell, China will make a mint on it, selling russians crap that th west used to sell them, and possibly will make russia more dependent politically on China. Are russians the pawns of chinks?
No, I think Russia expected harsh sanctions, though probably not as harsh as they have been. But I don't think this is helping Russia's interests as much as it is the US's.
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Yes and? Which is really more likely? The US sending CIA agents to assist in an open proxy war, or Russia sending people to shill on a site for laughing at troons?
Did revelations about Russia spending money on troll farms pass you by? Or are you under the illusion that they don't exist?

In reality, if one isn't a paid shill, then it's even worse. Someone is simping for the government of Russia and their interest for...free?
 
That is the mutually beneficial arrangement. We give gear. They give dead Russians. Everyone is happy. Do you understand how NATO works? It is all a system to do that. No, of course not. You are a shill. You pretend is works one way then not the other based on whatever argument you are making.
There you go being buttblasted again.

You leave out the part where there's also plenty of dead Ukrainians and you are okay with that, you just said they are not worth a shit. I think it's all or nothing sort of deal. If Ukraine is our ally then Russia is at war with us as well, but they aren't. So we aren't.
So we're not really at war because Ukraine is not really our ally so the solution from the West is to grind down both Ukraine and Russia and celebrate doing so because no Western lives were officially lost. If that's "good" to you then we just have different views.

Ukraine is not in NATO, if they were then this would be a completely different story and Russia likely wouldn't have invaded. Why wouldn't Russia invade if Ukraine was part of NATO? Because it'd be completely different...
Something tells me that Russia doesn't want to fight a conventional war with the US on top of economic sanctions on top of actual naval blockades enforced by the US Navy.

Every time I try to break down my views, someone flips out and says I'm just a shill. The implication is a Russian shill but I've never shilled for Russia and you won't find a quote of it anywhere. Boomer.
 
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Yes and? Which is really more likely? The US sending CIA agents to assist in an open proxy war, or Russia sending people to shill on a site for laughing at troons?
Internet speds do it for free half the time with the correct nudge. Meanwhile I cannot find anyone to put new shingles on my house for any amount of money and now have to do it myself.

I guess it's all how you see the world.
 
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Wouldn't shock me if they got overconfident and didn't bother to set up any fallback areas. Overconfidence has been Russia's defining feature throughout after all. Even a Slav finally learns their lesson after enough hard knocks though, so I also wouldn't be surprised if they finally did learn something this time. Although if the Russians wind up getting their asses kicked at urban combat, that really will be the tolling of the bell for the Russian military.

And now for some general Snekposter milshit autism: I'll let you guys in on a dirty little secret: the US Infantryman is terrible at providing his own fire, and has been ever since the Revolutionary War. Defensively his job is to keep the bad guys away from the artillery, so him being good at shooting isn't that important compared to being able to dig in and force the enemy to commit to costly assault operations (such as the initial battles at Ia Drang where Vietnamese assaults against that fixed position went terribly). In mobile operations his job is to keep the enemy pinned so something large and explosive can be sent their way, so again, being good at shooting things isn't all that important. However, there is one aspect of warfighting the US infantryman cannot pass off to fire support, and that is close combat operations. Ask the Mexicans at Mexico City how well being on the defensive in urban battles worked for them.
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Also, the US has also attempted to provide close fire support right to the hands of infantry ever since WW2, with an average of three rifle grenadiers per squad, then starting with the Battle of Okinawa adding recoilless rifles to weapons platoons, and with Vietnam and later on the M79 and various underbarrel launchers. Doesn't matter how good your aim with a rifle is when every third or fourth man in your squad can noob tube the enemy.
The Mexican-American War? Dude, Robert E Lee was Ulysses S Grant's CO in that war. The minie ball was the shiny new thing at the time and the Gatling gun was not even in use, and it preceded the first modern war. I like you know some military history but it's really not relevant to this discussion.
 
Yes and? Which is really more likely? The US sending CIA agents to assist in an open proxy war, or Russia sending people to shill on a site for laughing at troons?
Both are possible honestly. If the chinks set their prisioners up to shill for China online I'm sure the Russians would do the same. Though I doubt the majority of pro Russia prosters here are deep cover agents.
 
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Man, I'm making fun of them and they just keep affirming my view of them.
Both are possible honestly. If the chinks set their prisioners up to shill for China online I'm sure the Russians would do the same. Though I doubt the majority of pro Russia prosters here are deep cover agents.
It wouldn't be so sad if they were at least getting paid. I think the truth is much more tragic.
 
The Mexican-American War? Dude, Robert E Lee was Ulysses S Grant's CO in that war. The minie ball was the shiny new thing at the time and the Gatling gun was not even in use, and it preceded the first modern war. I like you know some military history but it's really not relevant to this discussion.
Yes, and in an era where the USA simply couldn't bomb everything to rubble we steamrolled them. Granted, its Mexico, but I've not seen any evidence we've gotten worse at that sort of thing given the Battle of Fallujah or the Battle of Hue, the latter having 668 KiA US/ARVN troops for over 2,000 North Vietnamese. It can be worth pointing out what is and isn't a military tradition, at times.
 
There you go being buttblasted again.

You leave out the part where there's also plenty of dead Ukrainians and you are okay with that, you just said they are not worth a shit. I think it's all or nothing sort of deal. If Ukraine is our ally then Russia is at war with us as well, but they aren't. So we are aren't.
So we're not really at war because Ukraine is not really our ally so the solution from the West is to grind down both Ukraine and Russia and celebrate doing so because no Western lives were officially lost. If that's "good" to you then we just have different views.

Ukraine is not in NATO, if they were then this would be a completely different story and Russia likely wouldn't have invaded. Why wouldn't Russia invade if Ukraine was part of NATO? Because it'd be completely different...
Something tells me that Russia doesn't want to fight a conventional war with the US on top of economic sanctions on top of actual naval blockades enforced by the US Navy.

Every time I try to break down my views, someone flips out and says I'm just a shill. The implication is a Russian shill but I've never shilled for Russia and you won't find a quote of it anywhere. Boomer.
If you dislike being called out as a shill perhaps you should stop shilling. The Ukrainian government turns away volunteers for the armed forces to this day. They cannot process they quickly enough. Instead they have stuck to the reserve system they established before the more active shooting war. They give they guys an out. Nobody is sent up unless they want to go. People are still queuing for the opportunity to kill invaders.

Please tell me more how they don't want to defend their country. I am all fucking ears. The Ukrainians, unsurprisingly, want to defend Ukraine. Whoda, thunk it. Oh wait. I know who. A vatnik shill. One who presumes donated gear wouldn't be used. That thinks they are all some puppet for some ulterior motive. Who thinks they should just quit to save lives. They are just being thrown away, right?

You are simple and don't understand that their and our goals align (this is why NATO exists, btw) and you are being intentionally obtuse as to why a country would wish to repel Russians. They are all in. Have been since at least Feb 24th. It is people like you that are catching up.

The only likely explanation left is shilling. And I mean that in the most literal sense. The "hey guise, the snake oil isn't poison." kinda way. Quitting now means a hostile Russia on our doorstep. One that will likely get us all killed in a later war.
 
Did revelations about Russia spending money on troll farms pass you by? Or are you under the illusion that they don't exist?

In reality, if one isn't a paid shill, then it's even worse. Someone is simping for the government of Russia and their interest for...free?
Lol really? I know a fair portion of the Ukie faction here is pretty openly globohomo, but unironically pushing the HRC shit is a bit much. Also, there's never been proof that Russia has sent shills on to this side of the internet to promote a narrative. There's absolute proof of US intelligence doing this because they've outed themselves in court records before.
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If you dislike being called out as a shill perhaps you should stop shilling. The Ukrainian government turns away volunteers for the armed forces to this day. They cannot process they quickly enough. Instead they have stuck to the reserve system they established before the more active shooting war. They give they guys an out. Nobody is sent up unless they want to go. People are still queuing for the opportunity to kill invaders.

Please tell me more how they don't want to defend their country. I am all fucking ears. The Ukrainians, unsurprisingly, want to defend Ukraine. Whoda, thunk it. Oh wait. I know who. A vatnik shill. One who presumes donated gear wouldn't be used. That thinks they are all some puppet for some ulterior motive. Who thinks they should just quit to save lives. They are just being thrown away, right?

You are simple and don't understand that their and our goals align (this is why NATO exists, btw) and you are being intentionally obtuse as to why a country would wish to repel Russians. They are all in. Have been since at least Feb 24th. It is people like you that are catching up.

The only likely explanation left is shilling. And I mean that in the most literal sense. The "hey guise, the snake oil isn't poison." kinda way. Quitting now means a hostile Russia on our doorstep. One that will likely get us all killed in a later war.
Yeah I'm done devoting actual time to forming replies to this thread. I get told I post in bad faith but no one can say how, then you post nonsense like this that really has very little to do with my post. You call me a shill but you can't quote the shilling.
The best part has nothing to do with me though, people are going to conveniently gloss over you implying Ukrainians aren't people worth a shit because most of what you say lines up so it's permissible.
A laugh riot, this thread.

Resume comparing this to American wars of yesteryear.
Thank you Invasion of Ukraine News Megathread for devolving into this abomination that is so rotten it has inspired Null to consider drastically reworking A&H altogether.
 
Yes, and in an era where the USA simply couldn't bomb everything to rubble we steamrolled them. Granted, its Mexico, but I've not seen any evidence we've gotten worse at that sort of thing given the Battle of Fallujah or the Battle of Hue, the latter having 668 KiA US/ARVN troops for over 2,000 North Vietnamese. It can be worth pointing out what is and isn't a military tradition, at times.
The US was up against Santa Anna and the battle you're referring to took place in 1847., again, not relevant to the conflict that is the topic of this thread. As far as tradition goes, you know about the San Patricios, right?

Fallujah 1 /2 and Battle of Hue happened in conflicts we did not emerge from as victors; we withdrew, or in everyone else's opinion, we lost. The Battle of LZ X-Ray is a better example of a smaller force holding their own against a numerically superior force, one in which air superiority plays a significant role but again, it didn't matter; we lost.
 
Lol really? I know a fair portion of the Ukie faction here is pretty openly globohomo, but unironically pushing the HRC shit is a bit much. Also, there's never been proof that Russia has sent shills on to this side of the internet to promote a narrative. There's absolute proof of US intelligence doing this because they've outed themselves in court records before.
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If the U.S. is doing it, chances are extremely high that Russia does it too.
 
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