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[Gravemind]

SFV is not a well liked Street Fighter game, and it has parry some characters require resources. Abigail, Gill and Ryu, not. Abigail and Gill are also some of the most hated matchups due to their parries. With the whole "Adapt or Die" well SFV died. In Japan we have a nickname for Street Fighter V "Duty Fighter V", we only play the game to make sure foreigners do not get to win at competitions.

I mean, we keep saying that SFV is not well liked. We keep saying it's a dead game, but it's still very actively played by some pros and it still has a very active online tournament scene, and the final patch + final season looks like it's cleaned up a lot of problems the game had, even if it's a little too late to salvage the game at this point. People still play it, bottom line, and not necessarily in the respect of, say, "niche weeb fighter #4" or "old ass Capcom/SNK arcade fighter suddenly getting poked at in Fightcade" – in a time where just about every top billing fighter is a rather middling game overall, SFV is still, for better or worse, one of the top dogs of the genre.

So yeah, adapt or die. That doesn't apply to the game's standard of quality, but to the player's capacity to adapt to the current situation, especially so in this case. The only way this changes is if more pros decide to start abandoning the sponsored pro scene and take themselves back to the older stuff instead, and even then, you're still going to have faggots like us bellyaching over people "being stuck in the past and not wanting to move on".

People are always going to find something to complain about no matter how things go.

Legit how do you forget about Elena? She's been in SF3 and SF4 and is one of the best girls in the series. Oh right, journalists don't play video games that require skill.

He didn't. He just doesn't consider Elena to be "black" because she isn't African-American specifically.

 

[Celebrate Nite]

 

[Mothra1988]

I mean, we keep saying that SFV is not well liked. We keep saying it's a dead game, but it's still very actively played by some pros and it still has a very active online tournament scene, and the final patch + final season looks like it's cleaned up a lot of problems the game had, even if it's a little too late to salvage the game at this point. People still play it, bottom line, and not necessarily in the respect of, say, "niche weeb fighter #4" or "old ass Capcom/SNK arcade fighter suddenly getting poked at in Fightcade" – in a time where just about every top billing fighter is a rather middling game overall, SFV is still, for better or worse, one of the top dogs of the genre.

So yeah, adapt or die. That doesn't apply to the game's standard of quality, but to the player's capacity to adapt to the current situation, especially so in this case. The only way this changes is if more pros decide to start abandoning the sponsored pro scene and take themselves back to the older stuff instead, and even then, you're still going to have faggots like us bellyaching over people "being stuck in the past and not wanting to move on".

People are always going to find something to complain about no matter how things go.


He didn't. He just doesn't consider Elena to be "black" because she isn't African-American specifically.

LOL you actually give a rat's ass about e-sports and the "FGC?" That bullshit has to be the biggest cancer on video games I've ever seen. I'd rather literally burn money than support that consumer whore bullshit in any conceivable fashion.

"Who cares if the game sucks and all the DLC costs $1200, look at these guys who are paid by advertisers to play video games like it's a sport!" lol The fuck using "pros" unironically in the context of a fucking console video game. You sound like one of the people who will willingly get a chip implanted in yourself by Apple because the press release made it sound cool.

 

[DumbDude42]

It's going to cause controversy specifically in the fighting game community, not casual players. The reason being that parry changes the entire mindset required to play the game. It adds an extra layer of uncertainty to every action someone does, and on the defensive side likewise. This is why Street Fighter III players never moved on, and also why plenty of players decided to give Street Fighter III a miss. Personally I don't care either way, since I like the mechanic.

depends a LOT on implementation details, like how valuable is the meter you pay for using it, what's the frame data, do you have to choose low/high parry or is it universal, how punishable is it on whiff, what conversions can you get from successful parries on different moves, etc.
some characters in sfv have meterless parry vskills (ryu, gill, abigail) and they are pretty weak because of shit frame data, nowhere near as impactful as 3rd strike parries.

 

[Gravemind]

LOL you actually give a rat's ass about e-sports and the "FGC?" That bullshit has to be the biggest cancer on video games I've ever seen. I'd rather literally burn money than support that consumer whore bullshit in any conceivable fashion.

"Who cares if the game sucks and all the DLC costs $1200, look at these guys who are paid by advertisers to play video games like it's a sport!" lol The fuck using "pros" unironically in the context of a fucking console video game. You sound like one of the people who will willingly get a chip implanted in yourself by Apple because the press release made it sound cool

That sure is a lot of angry sperging over a simple acknowledgement of the fact that the game does have an active, commercially-supported playerbase.

Just so you know, I've never once touched SFV in the entire time that it's been out because I also hated the direction it went in, along with all of its forced monetization.

 

[Mothra1988]

That sure is a lot of angry sperging over a simple acknowledgement of the fact that the game does have an active, commercially-supported playerbase.

Just so you know, I've never once touched SFV in the entire time that it's been out because I also hated the direction it went in, along with all of its forced monetization.

You never played the game, yet you are stanning for it. Wow. "Adapt or Die, oh btw, I never played it." lol You do this for free I assume?

Fuck its "commercially-supported playerbase." Actual consumers hate this shit and for good reasons. Do you ever sit back, read back over your words and think about how utterly ludicrous it is that you defended this consumer raping pile of shit because "professional video game players" play it? Did you one day have aspirations to make it to the video game "pros," but you didn't make the cut for your college Street Fighter team? lol How did ideas this cringey get memed into reality?

Video games deserve to die at this point. These companies keep raping people and think their consumers are worse than dirt and openly say so on Twitter. They even went as far as directly attacking Japanese developers. Yet we still have to put up with it for some reason, and you still think anyone respects "esports" after stuff like SonicFox and Blizzard Taiwan-Gate and all this crap. But Esports was cringey garbage way before all that, and then they used it as justification to censor all the fighting games. Yet here you are still defending it because of some astroturfed guerilla marketing nonsense called esports. lol

 

[Dom Cruise]

Esports was fine when it was more of a grassroots thing, as soon as it actually tried to go big and become like another NFL or NBA it became nothing but nigger faggotry and the games themselves went to shit when catering to that niche instead of regular gamers.

It's the same deal when gaming tried to become "another Hollywood", the more money to be made, the worse everything gets, greed ruins everything, gaming should have always been off doing it's own thing instead of trying to imitate Hollywood or the NFL.

 

[SiccDicc]

Esports was fine when it was more of a grassroots thing, as soon as it actually tried to go big and become like another NFL or NBA it became nothing but nigger faggotry and the games themselves went to shit when catering to the that niche instead of regular gamers.

It's the same deal when gaming tried to become "another Hollywood", the more money to be made, the worse everything gets, greed ruins everything, gaming should have always been off doing it's own thing instead of trying to imitate Hollywood or the NFL.

I disagree only because I thought esports was always trash.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Watching high level play is a good way to get better, but anybody following these faggy players is retarded. Still hard to believe a furry nigger faggot has a following just because he can play games well.

 

[Dom Cruise]

I disagree only because I thought esports was always trash.

Esports isn't even the right term, I'm talking local tourneys in the 90s and 00s that people did mostly just for fun, once they tried to make it "eports" is when it became stupid.

I never attended any old tourneys but I imagine they were a good time much like a con is/was, once they tried to make it like an actual professional sports league is when it became stupid and yeah, that incarnation has always been trash from day 1.

Again, it's much like the "Hollywood" evolution, when gaming was for hobbyists only, closer to something like model trains than movies, it was much better than when it actually tried to compete with movies and TV and become something even your meemaw does, that's when it all went to shit.

 

[SiccDicc]

Esports isn't even the right term, I'm talking local tourneys in the 90s and 00s that people did mostly just for fun, once they tried to make it "eports" is when it became stupid.

I never attended any old tourneys but I imagine they were a good time much like a con is/was, once they tried to make it like an actual professional sports league is when it became stupid and yeah, that incarnation has always been trash from day 1.

Again, it's much like the "Hollywood" evolution, when gaming was for hobbyists only, closer to something like model trains than movies, it was much better than when it actually tried to compete with movies and TV and become something even your meemaw does, that's when it all went to shit.

Yeah, I still thought that shit was gay and dumb. Took itself way too seriously even then.

But I'm a crotchety old man, what do I know?

 

[Basic Blonde Boy]

Esports was fine when it was more of a grassroots thing, as soon as it actually tried to go big and become like another NFL or NBA it became nothing but nigger faggotry and the games themselves went to shit when catering to the that niche instead of regular gamers.

It's the same deal when gaming tried to become "another Hollywood", the more money to be made, the worse everything gets, greed ruins everything, gaming should have always been off doing it's own thing instead of trying to imitate Hollywood or the NFL.

The thing about Esports is that I was fine with it when it was sort of an independent thing. Make money off playing games well to entertain a crowd, be my guest. When they were first becoming a thing, you could tell the players actually had passion for the game, and the companies were still focused on just having a fun game. Nowadays, Esports is just a cynical part of gaming. The players of these games basically hate them most of the time and are only doing it for cash, and companies are designing fighting games to only cater to the niche 1% pro-players. It is no wonder why these games have no staying power with the average person, they aren't really made for them.

 

[Celebrate Nite]

Watching high level play is a good way to get better

Depends on the game. High level players also wall dive spam with Claw, that doesn't mean they're "better".

If you want to get better at a game, you have to go head first into it, get your ass beat a bunch of times, figure out what you're doing wrong, then come up with your own strategy. That way once you have the upper hand it keeps people on their toes.

The problem is that now with shit like FightCade, you have people immitating the same play styles as those other high level players, so the uniqueness is all gone because everyone wants to be the next alex valle or john choi or justin wong (or at least try to troll parry him), so shit get's predictable.

Example: SSF2T DeeJay - Max-out spam. Throw out sweeps if opponent is getting close. If opponent jumps, jacknife. Then crossup jump MK, croutch jab, croutch jab, machine gun upper for dizzy, repeat. Have fun doing nothing for 90% of the match because DeeJay is in control of it.

 

[augment]

Esports has always been bullshit. It was conceived by product makers to sell you new stuff and thus has about as much ground on the real definition of a sport as cup stacking. Its existence employs thousands of parasitic shills, journos, column writers and even cloutchasers looking for a platform.
When it was koreans tv broadcasting starcraft it was funny. When it was tougeki/battle opera matches of SSF2 it was ok. This modern hellscape of SFV or Riot is just saddening and garbage-like.

 

[Gravemind]

You never played the game, yet you are stanning for it.

But I'm not. I'm just acknowledging that it has its playerbase and it is still an actively played game, in spite of the entirely fairly-given criticism and dislike it has garnered, stated in contrary to the general sentiment of SFV somehow being a "dead game".

That's like getting supremely ass-blasted at someone for going "Yes, Diablo Immortal is a piece of shit cash cow of a game but people are still playing it and tossing hundreds of dollars in MTX hand over fist at Blizzard for it". It is what it is. Just because you or I don't like something existing doesn't make it stop existing. Same thing with the whole "esports" bullshit.

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

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Oh, man. Now you make me wish we had a new Fatal Fury announcement instead of SF6. I don’t know why, but I wish we had a collaboration game made between both franchises in current day.

 

[Gravemind]

Oh, man. Now you make me wish we had a new Fatal Fury announcement instead of SF6. I don’t know why, but I wish we had a collaboration game made between both franchises in current day.

KOFXV did just come out not too long ago. A new Capcom vs SNK would be cool, though.

 

[Mothra1988]

But I'm not. I'm just acknowledging that it has its playerbase and it is still an actively played game, in spite of the entirely fairly-given criticism and dislike it has garnered, stated in contrary to the general sentiment of SFV somehow being a "dead game".

That's like getting supremely ass-blasted at someone for going "Yes, Diablo Immortal is a piece of shit cash cow of a game but people are still playing it and tossing hundreds of dollars in MTX hand over fist at Blizzard for it". It is what it is. Just because you or I don't like something existing doesn't make it stop existing. Same thing with the whole "esports" bullshit.

Stop trying to backpedal. lol

SFV is still, for better or worse, one of the top dogs of the genre.

So yeah, adapt or die.

People like yourself killed video games by giving this BS any credibility in the first place instead of taking a principled stance against bullshit. Esports is garbage and anyone who buys into its marketing hype is a humongous consumer whore. Retards on the level of SonicFox that have money thrown at them to play something are not a real playerbase.

 

[Gravemind]

Stop trying to backpedal. lol



People like yourself killed video games by giving this BS any credibility in the first place instead of taking a principled stance against bullshit. Esports is garbage and anyone who buys into its marketing hype is a humongous consumer whore. Retards on the level of SonicFox that have money thrown at them to play something are not a real playerbase.

Yes, I helped to kill video games by not monetarily supporting a game and a practice I did not agree with, same with the fact that I stopped really following the FGC as a whole since the SF4 and Marvel 3 scenes died out, particularly when fags like SonicFox became household names despite their faggotry.

lol calm down.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Depends on the game. High level players also wall dive spam with Claw, that doesn't mean they're "better".

If you want to get better at a game, you have to go head first into it, get your ass beat a bunch of times, figure out what you're doing wrong, then come up with your own strategy. That way once you have the upper hand it keeps people on their toes.

The problem is that now with shit like FightCade, you have people immitating the same play styles as those other high level players, so the uniqueness is all gone because everyone wants to be the next alex valle or john choi or justin wong (or at least try to troll parry him), so shit get's predictable.

Example: SSF2T DeeJay - Max-out spam. Throw out sweeps if opponent is getting close. If opponent jumps, jacknife. Then crossup jump MK, croutch jab, croutch jab, machine gun upper for dizzy, repeat. Have fun doing nothing for 90% of the match because DeeJay is in control of it.

That's true, but I meant more generally, like sometimes I'll have no idea how to best use a character or attack until I see it in action, or counter strategies. You can learn just by playing through experience and experimentation, but I think it's a little easier watching too.