Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

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@Garbage.Theory The brain is liquefying. Icu nurses talk about "neuro breath" where you can smell the waste product of the tissue breakdown being excreted in the patients breath. A sickly smell I am told.
 
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A tree said:
Adjourned unitl Monday. Unbearable. Hollie is not happy and is now apparently a medical expert. *sigh*

@Garbage.Theory The brain is liquefying. Icu nurses talk about "neuro breath" where you can smell the waste product of the tissue breakdown being excreted in the patients breath. A sickly smell I am told.
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Oh goody... I was really hoping it'd be done today for Archie's sake...
 
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Would any of the med kiwis be able to elaborate on the difference between a coma, vegetative state, minimally conscious state, and brain death?

The terms come up in this thread and when researching other similar past cases like Jahi and Teri Schiavo, and it seems a bit confusing to an average lay person. Are these different names for similar things, is one an umbrella for the other, is it a spectrum?
 
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Dahlia Hawthorne said:
Would any of the med kiwis be able to elaborate on the difference between a coma, vegetative state, minimally conscious state, and brain death?

The terms come up in this thread and when researching other similar past cases like Jahi and Teri Schiavo, and it seems a bit confusing to an average lay person. Are these different names for similar things, is one an umbrella for the other, is it a spectrum?
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They're different things tho they all involve catastrophic brain damage. Brain death is the most severe, where the entire brain is gone including the brain stem (what's happening to Archie from the sounds of it). The others usually have a poor prognosis but I don't think involve the total death of all brain tissue including the brain stem, like I think the brain stem was about the only thing Terri Schiavo had left.

I'm not a medfag, that's just what I remember from the Jahi thread.
 
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Android raptor said:
They're different things tho they all involve catastrophic brain damage. Brain death is the most severe, where the entire brain is gone including the brain stem (what's happening to Archie from the sounds of it). The others usually have a poor prognosis but I don't think involve the total death of all brain tissue including the brain stem, like I think the brain stem was about the only thing Terri Schiavo had left.

I'm not a medfag, that's just what I remember from the Jahi thread.
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Coma doesn't necessarily involve brain damage. A medically induced coma can be used as part of a prevention strategy for it.
I expect one of the proper medfags will be along to explain in detail.
 
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Not a medfag, but know enough stupid ass trivia to at least anwser the laymans basics before someone gives a much more detailed

Coma, they're out but there is likely very little damage (edit: little damage as in compared to catastrophic damage. You might still be down a couple dozen IQ points permanently) to the brain matter itself. Most last a few weeks at most. Caused by severe brain trauma often, but can also be induced with chemicals such as during alcohol poisoning. Often medical personell will intentionally induce a coma to prevent further damage to the brain, or to allow neurosurgery to proceed safely.

Minimally Conscious State is similar in cause to a coma, but the light's are still half on, so to speak. They may be vaguely aware of their surroundings, respond to basic stimuli, respond to basic commands, etc, but not be fully there. It's very common in say, elderly patients in hospice who fade in and out so to speak.

Vegetative State is where the real bad news happens. It's essentially a coma that hasn't ended when it's supposed to. Once you get there, the prognosis starts looking grimer and grimer the longer it goes on for.

And finally brain death is exactly what it sounds like. Game Over, do not pass go. The brain stem has shut down, and may even be showing signs of necrosis, aka living death rot. You ain't coming back from this unless you're a carpenter from Nazareth.
 
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Dahlia Hawthorne said:
Would any of the med kiwis be able to elaborate on the difference between a coma, vegetative state, minimally conscious state, and brain death?
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Brain death is what it is called, the brain is dead, and I hate vegetables and the United States.

ETA: what's the difference between general anaesthesia and coma? (while we are at the topic consciousness)
 
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A tree said:
Adjourned unitl Monday. Unbearable. Hollie is not happy and is now apparently a medical expert. *sigh*

@Garbage.Theory The brain is liquefying. Icu nurses talk about "neuro breath" where you can smell the waste product of the tissue breakdown being excreted in the patients breath. A sickly smell I am told.
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Of course those vitals are good, he’s on life support.
 
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Ok...so Archie's mom, she doesn't come off as abusive, but she does come off as stupid, and unable to understand her child, the picture of him flexing with her doesn't seem forced, it seemed like a bonding moment between a woman who probably greatly cared about her appearance before having a kid and kept up with fitness (considering ring girl and stripper), and a child with ADHD and unbridled energy, so she probably did encourage him to do sport/gymnastics ect because that was something she could understand and connect with him on, but other then that I think Archie spent a lot of time by himself, sad, and this is where the stupid Mom part comes in, she yelled at him a lot due to not understanding why he wasn't "normal". She probably had a go at him any time he was loud, didn't listen, wouldn't stop moving....so when the rabbit prank happened she probably again had a go at him, told him to stop being a little shit and fuck off.

And that was enough. 12 year old boy probably just starting puberty or at least something going on hormonal, mixed with ADHD, and most likely depression.

Pl-ish? as a young girl of 12-13 when my parents would yell at me or I'd get in trouble the during the teenage screaming match Id yell "Youd be happier if I was dead" but being rational, and not depressed/ADHD/tism or anything else it was dramatic but empty threats/words ...but with him he probably thought that and in a spur of the moment thing necked himself, thinking in fact she would be happier with him gone.


At least thats what I want to believe and this is her feeling guilty for all the yelling and being hit with the realization her baby is gone. Grief is a hell of a drug. Some people curl into themselves, others lash out, kick fight and scream and thats what I think we are seeing. She is trying anything to get him back to probably be able to apologize for being a shit mother



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Ok...so Archie's mom, she doesn't come off as abusive, but she does come off as stupid, and unable to understand her child, the picture of him flexing with her doesn't seem forced, it seemed like a bonding moment between a woman who probably greatly cared about her appearance before having a kid and kept up with fitness (considering ring girl and stripper), and a child with ADHD and unbridled energy, so she probably did encourage him to do sport/gymnastics ect because that was something she could understand and connect with him on, but other then that I think Archie spent a lot of time by himself, sad, and this is where the stupid Mom part comes in, she yelled at him a lot due to not understanding why he wasn't "normal". She probably had a go at him any time he was loud, didn't listen, wouldn't stop moving....so when the rabbit prank happened she probably again had a go at him, told him to stop being a little shit and fuck off.

And that was enough. 12 year old boy probably just starting puberty or at least something going on hormonal, mixed with ADHD, and most likely depression.

Pl-ish? as a young girl of 12-13 when my parents would yell at me or I'd get in trouble the during the teenage screaming match Id yell "Youd be happier if I was dead" but being rational, and not depressed/ADHD/tism or anything else it was dramatic but empty threats/words ...but with him he probably thought that and in a spur of the moment thing necked himself, thinking in fact she would be happier with him gone.


At least thats what I want to believe and this is her feeling guilty for all the yelling and being hit with the realization her baby is gone. Grief is a hell of a drug. Some people curl into themselves, others lash out, kick fight and scream and thats what I think we are seeing. She is trying anything to get him back to probably be able to apologize for being a shit mother



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ADHD tends to run in families, so it’s not unlikely that she has a touch of it as well. Probably undiagnosed and never medicated. Not an excuse but it could explain if she were extra snappish.

No PL here, I’ve led a charmed life, but I honestly don’t like to “blame” suicide on anyone but the person who committed it. There’s just too much going on mentally inside a person that isn’t rational, and that a rational healthy person can’t comprehend.
People generally don’t want their loved ones to neck themselves even when they are pissed off and there is a very slim faction of parents truly abusive enough that one could say that they caused it. Archie’s mom may have been a bit of a snappish cunt, but lots of moms are snappish cunts. He was fed, clothed, not hit or beaten. He was likely unmedicated with his illness and that didn’t help, but it’s not abuse.
 
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