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pwnest injun said:
There are probably 50 million rifles in the US that can feed the 5.56mm ammo that the US military had been using for their primary service weapons. Whatever .227 FURY rifles manage to make their way into civilian circulation (and the government is trying to stop the sale of new semi-auto rifles to the public at the same time that they are switching calibers,) will matter like the shadow on a flea's ass compared to that. And trying to fight a war with captured weapons is not going to work out very well.

But it comes down to how urban warfare works. You have a front, and you are pushing that front deeper into the territory in order to secure it. You don't want to turn around and retreat just to rearm, so ammo is air-dropped where there is fighting, and this ammo could potentially end up in enemy hands if something happens. If your enemy can't run the ammo, then at worst they could destroy it. But if they can start shooting it back at you, that can cause far greater resistance. I'm hardly an expert on this, but if you think about it for a bit, it makes sense, strategically.
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5.56 is still going to be issued to rear line troops, IIRC, and converting existing 7.62x51 rifles to 6.8x51 is piss easy, and in fact has already been done by wildcatters. This is not some super-special "muh domestic suppression" deal but the US military taking the laziest way out of getting a new intermediate round. Yes, it took probably at least a billion dollars and several years of fucking around, but in the end, Uncle Sam went with the boringest option possible, the M5 and M250 being nothing but slightly modernized versions of existing weaponry. And nobody familiar with how the government works should be the least bit surprised.

Gun Jesus already has an overview video up of both rifle and ammo:
 
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Snekposter said:
5.56 is still going to be issued to rear line troops, IIRC, and converting existing 7.62x51 rifles to 6.8x51 is piss easy, and in fact has already been done by wildcatters. This is not some super-special "muh domestic suppression" deal but the US military taking the laziest way out of getting a new intermediate round. Yes, it took probably at least a billion dollars and several years of fucking around, but in the end, Uncle Sam went with the boringest option possible, the M5 and M250 being nothing but slightly modernized versions of existing weaponry. And nobody familiar with how the government works should be the least bit surprised.

Gun Jesus already has an overview video up of both rifle and ammo:
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Tbh that is more in line with what I suspect, the ammo thing is something some of my military autist friends have been sperging about for at least a decade, that 5.56 was good against unarmored targets like in Afghanistan but wouldn't be as good in conventional conflict etc. With the Ruskies changing up their ammo in the last few years it'd just look embarrassing if we didn't at least add a bit more punch to our standard rounds.

And the military loves nothing more than to collect billions of dollars of taxpayer dollars to do the laziest shit possible. Still cracks me up how many people think "military grade" for most stuff means some sort of super duper good product when it really just means "it does it's job at least at the minimum specs for as little actual production cost as possible"
 
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Sithis said:
What about when one side has lots of people skilled at reloading and making ammo rounds?
I think you'd be surprised at the scale some of the more industrious gun nuts can do that shit.
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I wouldn't recommend trying to reload ammo in an active firefight.

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5.56 is still going to be issued to rear line troops, IIRC, and converting existing 7.62x51 rifles to 6.8x51 is piss easy, and in fact has already been done by wildcatters. This is not some super-special "muh domestic suppression" deal but the US military taking the laziest way out of getting a new intermediate round.
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However easy or cheap it may be, it isn't easier or cheaper than NOT doing it, and AR-10s aren't nearly as common among the general populace as AR-15s, the most popular rifle in America.
 
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pwnest injun said:
However easy or cheap it may be, it isn't easier or cheaper than NOT doing it, and AR-10s aren't nearly as common among the general populace as AR-15s, the most popular rifle in America.
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Yes, and the sorts of people most likely to start a fight with Uncle Sam are also the ones most likely to own AR-10s, and a rough look at design specs has me think that all you need to do to convert a .308 rifle to the new ammo is swap out the barrel. Which are probably going to hit the market in not-insignificant numbers soon due to the round's obvious utility and ease of conversion for existing weapons. We're also probably going to see a lot of hunting weapons chambered in it as well since the brass rounds are good for most game and the steel ones give you magnum performance in a standard length bolt.
 
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Sithis said:
Tbh that is more in line with what I suspect, the ammo thing is something some of my military autist friends have been sperging about for at least a decade, that 5.56 was good against unarmored targets like in Afghanistan but wouldn't be as good in conventional conflict etc. With the Ruskies changing up their ammo in the last few years it'd just look embarrassing if we didn't at least add a bit more punch to our standard rounds.
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the new rifle will not cut it. we need a new tech battlerifle. the tech of the spear in a battlerifle would be real good.
the whole idea of an "assault rifle" was build on no body armor. it just doesnt work if you arent fighting goat fuckers.

the doctrins of @JosephStalin s generations never worked. they went back to fighting ww1 with airpower instad of bigger guns.
just sit and wait, use tanks for defense, have light tanks act as battlefield taxis, its all retardation and the only real modern army is the Bundeswehr and we dont hva anything in working order...
the modern soldier isnt some fag running around, its a PzG in a modern light tanks moving with heavy and hybrid tanks.
Airpower is not an answer to mobile warfare...
 
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Titos said:
A number of things. I personally blame the fact that almost everyone in congress was a lawyer before they got there. Fuck lawyers.
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That's our common law system. On one hand, common law requires dotting the "i"s and crossing the "t"s. Do we not want educated people to understand laws? Do you want Congress full of more "Latinx" bartenders, for instance? On the other hand, there have been attempts to change how laws are written first, in plain English and about one thing. Eliminate pork and make the laws understandable. The one gets rid of the other. But common law we inherited came first, not lawyers as a group.

I am drinking, hopefully the above made some semblance of sense.
 
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Sekirodiealot said:
This "meme" has been spreading on twitter lately and it's asinine.
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Democrat: a forgettable mediocrity, elevated far beyond their station entirely based on racial prejudice.
Republican: an optimistic and driven person who serves their community and eliminates pedophiles and violent criminal scum, who is then persecuted for their good deeds.

Seems reasonable.
 
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chiobu said:
Very smart MSNBC host
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I guess the lived experiences of small business owners don't count for much. This attitude of "don't believe your lying eyes, let ME tell YOU what's going on" is going to result in daily converts to the Party Of Hate as the economy continues to crater. People really want to feel like somebody is actually hearing their concerns and they're not getting that at any level.
 
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