Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

[Allo Vera]

You need to visit the Misty Henry thread. Stupid narcs are hilarious.

Help me out here as I’m in the US, but don’t public schools have to take district children? Even when Chris got recommended to a special school they were still able to get him into public. How bad does a kid have to be for all the schools to deny him access?

Something seems fishy about all that.

It’s fishy for sure.

The only scenario in which a kid goes without schooling for four years is one in which the parent doesn’t agree to any school the local authority recommends. For example, the parents saying (often completely legitimately) that their kid needs to go to a special school, and the local authority saying “Nope, put them in mainstream” (because it’s much cheaper).

It’s never the case that a child needs a school and the local authority says “Too bad, they’re all full”. That doesn’t happen.

So if the school story is true, it 100% will have been a drama of Hollie’s making.

 

[A tree]

You need to visit the Misty Henry thread. Stupid narcs are hilarious.

Help me out here as I’m in the US, but don’t public schools have to take district children? Even when Chris got recommended to a special school they were still able to get him into public. How bad does a kid have to be for all the schools to deny him access?

Something seems fishy about all that.

OK the situation for SEND kids in the UK is actually very dire. The local authority will resist issuing an EHCP (the official legally binding statement of special needs), often forcing parents into court. They will also try to force SEND kids into mainstream schools with inadequate support packages. Situations can occur where no school in the local area can take a particularly troubled child. In this case they will try to engage supported home schooling or other approaches called EOTAS. Education other than at school. There is also the practice of "off rolling" where SEND kids will stay on the books of a mainstream school but be sent off to what amounts to a holding unit where they're given some crayons to eat all day.

This means that in many cases a parent will have to battle in court, and in extreme cases children can be out of education for years at a time. 4 years is very extreme. I know several cases of 2 years.

This environment creates an us against them attitude in SEND parent communities. Many parents are absoltuely justified in bringing their cases. Others i have met come to relish the role, some are MBP cases, others just turbo Karens who love having their big day in court and treat it as a big jolly.

 

[craven rutherfordium]

Minor PL, but I recently lost a close relative to suicide and had a few family members propose hypothetical situations where it was actually an accident or someone else's fault. They knew the truth but it took time to accept it.

So I don't think there's anything inherently strange with how Hollie tried to make her last interaction with Archie seem pleasant or how she said he was doing a TikTok challenge. And I can see how a mother could be so desperately focused on cutting her child down that she wouldn't consider how far he'd drop.

But I cannot see how any normal person, even someone with a limited ability to understand the concept of brain death, could stand to watch their child deteriorate to the extent that Archie has and then demand that it go on longer. I'm preaching to the choir, but Hollie has gone so far beyond what could be attributed to grief and it's disgusting and sociopathic.

 

[Garbage.Theory]

It’s fishy for sure.

The only scenario in which a kid goes without schooling for four years is one in which the parent doesn’t agree to any school the local authority recommends. For example, the parents saying (often completely legitimately) that their kid needs to go to a special school, and the local authority saying “Nope, put them in mainstream” (because it’s much cheaper).

It’s never the case that a child needs a school and the local authority says “Too bad, they’re all full”. That doesn’t happen.

So if the school story is true, it 100% will have been a drama of Hollie’s making.

Ahh I see. Then I wonder if she was a Barb 2.0 and pissed off that her kid wasn’t being recommended for a school of her choice.

I’ve been trying to wrap my head around “his ADHD was so bad he couldn’t go to school” line since we seem to have zero evidence of this kid acting out in a truly disruptive manner (pre suicide of course). No gang activity, no running away, he even had siblings who seemed fine and a rabbit that he cared for. He seems like he was a relatively normal kid, maybe a bit hyper at times, but nothing a school couldn’t handle.
Sorry if I get clocks for that. I’ve read what I could but this thread is massive.

Edit: just read your piece @A tree thanks for the information. All this is incredibly foreign to me, and I can see how the parents of these kids would want to fight for special placement.
That said, all of the stuff I read here made it sound like Hollie wanted Archie in mainstream school and not a special one. I guess that’s where I’m confused, but again, Americafag so I’m not picking up in stuff Brits would find obvious.

 

[A tree]

Ahh I see. Then I wonder if she was a Barb 2.0 and pissed off that her kid wasn’t being recommended for a school of her choice.

I’ve been trying to wrap my head around “his ADHD was so bad he couldn’t go to school” line since we seem to have zero evidence of this kid acting out in a truly disruptive manner (pre suicide of course). No gang activity, no running away, he even had siblings who seemed fine and a rabbit that he cared for. He seems like he was a relatively normal kid, maybe a bit hyper at times, but nothing a school couldn’t handle.
Sorry if I get clocks for that. I’ve read what I could but this thread is massive.

This is why I think his mother may have legitimately roided him.

 

[Niuhp]

I have a bit of a theory about the people who latch onto these campaigns. They think loving your kid is the only thing required to be a good parent. They probably aren’t the best parents themselves, for myriad reasons. So to make themselves feel better about their own shortcomings, they join these FB groups to rant about never, ever giving up on your kid. Even if they’re a corpse on life support… never give up!

I think a lot of people are deeply deeply uncomfortable with child mortality, so when something like this pops up it's an outlet for that fear and denial. Absolutely there are plenty of narcs and lads looking to kick off, but I think there are also a lot of poorly educated and emotionally ignorant people who don't know better and are ripe for taking advantage of.

It's very selfish, but people will make any excuse to feel like they're helping without taking the time to critically interrogate if that 'help' is useful or even situationally appropriate. Trying to convince themselves and others he's not dead and has a chance to recover is a solid example of this. Denial is way more comfortable than the fact that children die sometimes for whatever reason. Not trying to be edgy

 

[trance_glory]

Adding some screen grab's I got of Hollie's FB before she scrubbed it.

Archie age 5 with no shoes and no top on in the street climbing a cash machine



Post about the school situation



Archie's punishment when he messed around in tutoring (this was when he didn't have a school place)



Hollie's work history

 

[A tree]

Ahh I see. Then I wonder if she was a Barb 2.0 and pissed off that her kid wasn’t being recommended for a school of her choice.

I’ve been trying to wrap my head around “his ADHD was so bad he couldn’t go to school” line since we seem to have zero evidence of this kid acting out in a truly disruptive manner (pre suicide of course). No gang activity, no running away, he even had siblings who seemed fine and a rabbit that he cared for. He seems like he was a relatively normal kid, maybe a bit hyper at times, but nothing a school couldn’t handle.
Sorry if I get clocks for that. I’ve read what I could but this thread is massive.

Edit: just read your piece @A tree thanks for the information. All this is incredibly foreign to me, and I can see how the parents of these kids would want to fight for special placement.
That said, all of the stuff I read here made it sound like Hollie wanted Archie in mainstream school and not a special one. I guess that’s where I’m confused, but again, Americafag so I’m not picking up in stuff Brits would find obvious.

Basically if the kid is such a little shit that he would disrupt the learning and functioning in any school, even a specialist school or with a 1:1 wrangler every day, schools are within their rights not to take them. If no school feels they can meet this child's needs and maintain a safe environment for the other children then the parent and child can be up shit creek. It happens. Sometimes an out of area or residential school will take them after years of wrangling. I think in many cases it happens becuse the apple doesn't fall far from the tree and the thick little shit is descended from two overgrown thick little shits egged on by their gang of enablers.

 

[Driedsoap]

Trying to convince themselves and others he's not dead and has a chance to recover is a solid example of this. Denial is way more comfortable than the fact that children die sometimes for whatever reason. Not trying to be edgy

He's not dead yet though that's the crux of the issue. There are guidelines for determining death and Archie has reached a point where the hospital does not want to use the resources to sustain life...that's not the same as being dead.

 

[A tree]

He's not dead yet though that's the crux of the issue. There are guidelines for determining death and Archie has reached a point where the hospital does not want to use the resources to sustain life...that's not the same as being dead.

Oh not you again. Are you trolling or actually fucking stupid? Jannies where u at?

 

[Allo Vera]

Denial is way more comfortable than the fact that children die sometimes for whatever reason. Not trying to be edgy

I see what you mean. In Archie’s case the denial seems to centre around the horrifying realisation that sometimes, kids who’ve had chaotic and unstable childhoods thanks to chaotic and unstable parents end up so mentally disturbed they manage to to kill themselves before they reach their teens.

 

[Driedsoap]

Oh not you again. Are you trolling or actually fucking stupid? Jannies where u at?

Nice derailing, are you going to get a reprimand?

If someone places emphasis on medical professionals and the opinion of brain death / necrosis etc one should also understand there is a working definition of "death" in healthcare.

Attached is from Ontario standards but it's likely very similar to England's.

 

[Shitted Scaredless]

He's not dead yet though that's the crux of the issue. There are guidelines for determining death and Archie has reached a point where the hospital does not want to use the resources to sustain life...that's not the same as being dead.

Go back your lab, Umbrella scientist.

 

[usernames can change now!]

He's not dead yet though that's the crux of the issue. There are guidelines for determining death and Archie has reached a point where the hospital does not want to use the resources to sustain life...that's not the same as being dead.

Archie's brain is necrosing. His bowels are failing because his brain isn't sending them signals. His body is wasting away because his brain isn't producing hormones. The only thing keeping his corpse warm is mechanical support. He is not pining for the fjords, he is not stunned, he is dead, he is deceased, he is an ex-child.

 

[Android raptor]

Behavior issues are also a very common symptom of trauma in children.

 

[A tree]

Hollie and family have been silent for going on 24 hours now. What do we think this means? Where's that appeal? Has he been unplugged?

Edit: nope I was wrong she's off again. His brains only 10% necrotic! Its only a flesh wound! T'is but a scratch.

 

[Driedsoap]

Archie's brain is necrosing. His bowels are failing because his brain isn't sending them signals. His body is wasting away because his brain isn't producing hormones. The only thing keeping his corpse warm is mechanical support. He is not pining for the fjords, he is not stunned, he is dead, he is deceased, he is an ex-child.

I'm sticking with the basics; he's not yet dead. If the argument was "he has declined so far and there is no likelihood of consciousness" I'll accept it as true based on his medical assessments but it's also true that he is alive.

Keeping him plugged in irritates the same people who refuse to acknowledge he is medically not yet dead. The perspective is tainted by denying reality and picking what medical knowledge to accept is just as dumb as Archie's supporters claiming he can recover. I was in this camp not so long ago but if his brain stem has necrotized it's unlikely he will survive much longer on the machines.

I do wonder how his core temperature is maintained because I thought that part of his brain was deteriorated?

 

[A tree]

life
/lʌɪf/
noun
1.
the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death.

 

[Driedsoap]

life
/lʌɪf/
noun
1.
the condition that distinguishes animals and plants from inorganic matter, including the capacity for growth, reproduction, functional activity, and continual change preceding death.

I shared a medical definition of death which Archie clearly does not meet so...alive. It's an either or not a "sorta dead" in terms of actual assessment.

I'm not here to take the focus off the luls only to point out how stupid it is to claim he's already dead when he's not. Arguments on ethics and morality of keeping him alive are of a different nature and imo don't need to rely on bullshit to support it.

 

[Shitted Scaredless]

I shared a medical definition of death which Archie clearly does not meet so...alive. It's an either or not a "sorta dead" in terms of actual assessment.

I'm not here to take the focus off the luls only to point out how stupid it is to claim he's already dead when he's not. Arguments on ethics and morality of keeping him alive are of a different nature and imo don't need to rely on bullshit to support it.

His brain is rotting you daft bitch. His body is decomposing. He's a corpse. A corpse.