Global Depression 2022 - Time to do the Breadline Boogaloo!

[Nate Higgers]

How would more financially educated Farmers recommend a “humble” blue collar licensed “skilled” tradesman prepare for the next habbening? I’ve been thinking about getting a cheapie 3-4000w “quiet generator” from Harbor Freight and an ATS so’s the food in the fridge doesn’t spoil if/when the blackouts come. I was looking at natural gas/propane powered/diesel gensets though and a 15kw would be like $4k vs $400 for 4000w from Harbor Freight.

I got a smallish stack of brass and I can always get another one or two fellow tradies to go in halves/thirds with me on a 1000rd brick of 9 or 5.56.

When it comes to food though I’m being genuinely retarded. I need to get (and make room for) a deep freeze and then use the Sam’s Club membership again. I’ve been playing with the idea of getting a big food dehydrator for a while but just to make beef jerk. I know I can dehydrate veg and fruits with it but I don’t know if or how that would help with long term storage.

When it comes to water I’m fucked. I live in a desert in the suburbs so I can’t really drill a well and I’m very uneasy about the prospect of storing hundreds of gallons of water in a cistern and not letting it propagate bacteria or other microorganisms. I don’t like the taste of bleach either.

>tl;dr: I got bullets and I can turn a wrench but otherwise I’m fucking retarded

 

[Chinggis Khan]

I was listening to a financial podcast and they mentioned this happening. People that have mortgages at historically low rates and want to sell can’t because mortgage rates have risen so quickly. This will put pressure on the supply of used homes and if we have a bad recession new home construction could slow as well.

People always say this but I think this is misguided. You (and me, and all of us) are not JP Morgan, you are not Larry Fink. You do not get to borrow “for less than inflation”. Your salary and income is relatively fixed, especially during a recession, it is either flat, or goes down, or potentially goes away altogether. Inflation doesn’t increase incomes. Good economies do.

Meanwhile you have a loan that is stacked 90% interest payments at the start and 10% equity. Sure a low rate will speed up faster the portion that is principle, but alot of these overvalued homes are only a year or two old. Most of your equity in the house is not built up to any reasonable portion, and when you have an 8k a month mortgage that is mostly interest and you just lost your meme job, it’s going to look attractive after awhile to go back to a $1500 a month rent (especially with alcoholism, affairs, and divorces that usually go hand and hand with these times).

People will sell.

 

[Hippopatumus]

How would more financially educated Farmers recommend a “humble” blue collar licensed “skilled” tradesman prepare for the next habbening? I’ve been thinking about getting a cheapie 3-4000w “quiet generator” from Harbor Freight and an ATS so’s the food in the fridge doesn’t spoil if/when the blackouts come. I was looking at natural gas/propane powered/diesel gensets though and a 15kw would be like $4k vs $400 for 4000w from Harbor Freight.

I got a smallish stack of brass and I can always get another one or two fellow tradies to go in halves/thirds with me on a 1000rd brick of 9 or 5.56.

When it comes to food though I’m being genuinely retarded. I need to get (and make room for) a deep freeze and then use the Sam’s Club membership again. I’ve been playing with the idea of getting a big food dehydrator for a while but just to make beef jerk. I know I can dehydrate veg and fruits with it but I don’t know if or how that would help with long term storage.

When it comes to water I’m fucked. I live in a desert in the suburbs so I can’t really drill a well and I’m very uneasy about the prospect of storing hundreds of gallons of water in a cistern and not letting it propagate bacteria or other microorganisms. I don’t like the taste of bleach either.

>tl;dr: I got bullets and I can turn a wrench but otherwise I’m fucking retarded

If you live in the desert, great. I would get:

- Window unit swamp cooler
- 500-1000 watt worth of solar panels and charge controller
- 2-4 LiFePo4 batteries

Chuck those panels on your roof and you'll have enough juice to run a chest freezer and the swamp cooler probably indefinitely with power left to spare. For water, get a 50 gallon vertical water tank, run you about 250$ and refill it quarterly to keep fresh. Have some sort of filtration and assume city water won't go away completely. If it does, you're fucked regardless.

For food buy bulk pork and chicken from the warehouse store and put in your freezer. Also get flour, beans and rice (and spices) and store in 5gal buckets with gamma lids and oxygen absorbers. It's simple arithmetic to calculate the calories you need for the timeframe you want to prepare for. Start learning how to cook now, it will help later.

These are solid basics. NOW, every single time you go to the store to buy something, buy more of that thing. Do this for literally everything--soap, trash bags, laundry detergent, toothpaste, whatever. Instead of trying to buy a bunch of shit to prep with that you won't use, start paying attention to the things you actually use, and buy those things. Buy them in volume, in a proportion that you will use before they go bad.

I’ve been playing with the idea of getting a big food dehydrator for a while but just to make beef jerk. I know I can dehydrate veg and fruits with it but I don’t know if or how that would help with long term storage.

Yeah don't do this. This is a huge distraction. You have no experience preserving and storing food like the commercial factories do. You are in no position to do this and you will never get back the time, money, and energy you put into it compared to buying canned foods at the store.

 

[Puff]

People always say this but I think this is misguided. You (and me, and all of us) are not JP Morgan, you are not Larry Fink. You do not get to borrow “for less than inflation”. Your salary and income is relatively fixed, especially during a recession, it is either flat, or goes down, or potentially goes away altogether. Inflation doesn’t increase incomes. Good economies do.

Meanwhile you have a loan that is stacked 90% interest payments at the start and 10% equity. Sure a low rate will speed up faster the portion that is principle, but alot of these overvalued homes are only a year or two old. Most of your equity in the house is not built up to any reasonable portion, and when you have an 8k a month mortgage that is mostly interest and you just lost your meme job, it’s going to look attractive after awhile to go back to a $1500 a month rent (especially with alcoholism, affairs, and divorces that usually go hand and hand with these times).

People will sell.

Or you take the risk and fucking go for it

 

[Its ok to be]

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That is a great article.

To expand on the "left is tapped out thing"

Man, that applies on a lot of levels with the 'laptop caste'

Their homes in the cities are unsafe, they have only paper wealth that is evaporating rapidly. There have been tens of thousands of tech layoffs, surely prelude to a bigger movement. These folks have absolutely no skills--can't change a tire, can't change a faucet, can't cook a meal, can't even think outside the box if they were required to find a solution on their own to heating this winter and cooling off next summer. They have no diversified savings, no food in their house because everything is doordash, no protection from the dangers that lurk outside their doors...

These folks are FUCKED. THIS YEAR. And they're going to drag us all down with them.

That last bit, where they take down good people with them is what I get so mad about. Them I’d cheerfully toss into a volcano after this past couple of years, the collateral damage is gonna be awful though, especially the kids

 

[Nate Higgers]

If you live in the desert, great. I would get:

- Window unit swamp cooler
- 500-1000 watt worth of solar panels and charge controller
- 2-4 LiFePo4 batteries

Chuck those panels on your roof and you'll have enough juice to run a chest freezer and the swamp cooler probably indefinitely with power left to spare. For water, get a 50 gallon vertical water tank, run you about 250$ and refill it quarterly to keep fresh. Have some sort of filtration and assume city water won't go away completely. If it does, you're fucked regardless.

For food buy bulk pork and chicken from the warehouse store and put in your freezer. Also get flour, beans and rice (and spices) and store in 5gal buckets with gamma lids and oxygen absorbers. It's simple arithmetic to calculate the calories you need for the timeframe you want to prepare for. Start learning how to cook now, it will help later.

These are solid basics. NOW, every single time you go to the store to buy something, buy more of that thing. Do this for literally everything--soap, trash bags, laundry detergent, toothpaste, whatever. Instead of trying to buy a bunch of shit to prep with that you won't use, start paying attention to the things you actually use, and buy those things. Buy them in volume, in a proportion that you will use before they go bad.

I can buy the panels and the controller for cheaper than retail through the company I work for but I’m not too excited about making new penetrations in my roof (lol) even if I use a boot and roofing cement/tar.

I doubt I could get those LiFePo4 batteries from the supply house though, and I’m sure that’s the priciest part

 

[FatalTater]

Everyone storing water in case of emergencies, remember to keep some around to flush the toilet. Figure out how much water your toilet uses per flush and go from there. Never know when a water main might burst.

 

[Hippopatumus]

That last bit, where they take down good people with them is what I get so mad about. Them I’d cheerfully toss into a volcano after this past couple of years, the collateral damage is gonna be awful though, especially the kids

Same. It's tragic and infuriating that we had to go down this road as a nation.

I'm starting to see signs of the imminent collapse. The city I moved from is now listing decent homes for as low as $150k. The sort of houses that were going for $300k months prior.

The exurb I evacuated to is doing the opposite. As an example, today I saw a typical decent generic suburban mid-grade house that would have gone for maybe as high as $400k two months ago in the city listed out here in my neck of the woods for $750k. Many such cases.

The fun and games is over and while it may have felt cathartic to some of the yuppies to let antifa march all over the cities and spook the CHUDS, it left a lot of people shell-shocked and in fear for their lives, and those folks who had the means pulled up stakes and left.

I doubt I could get those LiFePo4 batteries from the supply house though, and I’m sure that’s the priciest part

You can just get 100ah deep cycle lead acid batteries for half the price instead, they're just not quite as good.

 

[George Lucas]

People always say this but I think this is misguided. You (and me, and all of us) are not JP Morgan, you are not Larry Fink. You do not get to borrow “for less than inflation”. Your salary and income is relatively fixed, especially during a recession, it is either flat, or goes down, or potentially goes away altogether. Inflation doesn’t increase incomes. Good economies do.

Meanwhile you have a loan that is stacked 90% interest payments at the start and 10% equity. Sure a low rate will speed up faster the portion that is principle, but alot of these overvalued homes are only a year or two old. Most of your equity in the house is not built up to any reasonable portion, and when you have an 8k a month mortgage that is mostly interest and you just lost your meme job, it’s going to look attractive after awhile to go back to a $1500 a month rent (especially with alcoholism, affairs, and divorces that usually go hand and hand with these times).

People will sell.

This smells a little too rational to me. Wouldn’t people want to hold onto their ‘dream home’ until the bitter end?

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

This smells a little too rational to me. Wouldn’t people want to hold onto their ‘dream home’ until the bitter end?

With how easily banks can just wreck your shit I am surprised there's no uprising against morage "bondage" like how people fucked off to Texas from the US because they owed shit tons of debt and didn't want to land in a debtors prison.

How would more financially educated Farmers recommend a “humble” blue collar licensed “skilled” tradesman prepare for the next habbening?

I got a smallish stack of brass and I can always get another one or two fellow tradies to go in halves/thirds with me on a 1000rd brick of 9 or 5.56.

When it comes to water I’m fucked. I live in a desert in the suburbs so I can’t really drill a well and I’m very uneasy about the prospect of storing hundreds of gallons of water in a cistern and not letting it propagate bacteria or other microorganisms. I don’t like the taste of bleach either.

-Find your nearest (major) river .
-Find a defensible spot with a north facing slope (For snowmelt collection). Cache iodine and a large liquid container of some sort (preferably not plastic imho).
-????
-Profit

Or just keep a bunch of plants alive and a shit ton of clear plastic bags so you can just take the water out via plant respiration in an emergency, requires sunlight.


As for food.
Learn how to smoke and then dry meat. Then dried fruits (Plums, Persimmons, etc).
Dig a big fuck off basement to keep everything cool (IDK about this one).
Learn how to root rob cacti (check that these don't have alkaoids in the roots....)

 

[Nate Higgers]

Find your nearest (major) river .

Lol that’s a good one. It’s dry maybe 9-11 months of the year due to the drought and the water war.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

Lol that’s a good one. It’s dry maybe 9-11 months of the year due to the drought and the water war.

There's several intermittent rivers where I live, I dug in the bed to check if there was subterranian water and a few of them had a sizable amount.

Beat waiting for your death. I would also suggest to get something to check for arsneic in the water. Issue in NM/AZ iirc.

 

[Ancient Pioneer]

Lol that’s a good one. It’s dry maybe 9-11 months of the year due to the drought and the water war.

Absolutely zero preparation work will allow you to survive a lack of water. Its not just possible, if you seriously live in the desert and rely on water sources like Lake Mead your "prepping" entails getting the fuck out of the desert. Storing food, buying solar panels, all of this is useless shit that will be covered in years of dust and sand some urban explorer will be inspecting on a Youtube video in a decade. They can play with finances and the economy goes through cycles but once the water is depleted there is no bringing it back. The various projections have Vegas depleting its water supply in about 12-18 months without some sort of intervention, once this happens the entire region is going to die at a rate that makes Detroit like a prosperous city.

 

[SCSI]

Lol that’s a good one. It’s dry maybe 9-11 months of the year due to the drought and the water war.

There's several intermittent rivers where I live, I dug in the bed to check if there was subterranian water and a few of them had a sizable amount.

Beat waiting for your death. I would also suggest to get something to check for arsneic in the water. Issue in NM/AZ iirc.

Uranium, too. Most uranium mines in the US are in the Southwest, Great Basin, and western part of the Great Plains. Some aquifers were/are polluted, as well as the surrounding land.

 

[Blobby's Murder Knife]

People always say this but I think this is misguided. You (and me, and all of us) are not JP Morgan, you are not Larry Fink. You do not get to borrow “for less than inflation”. Your salary and income is relatively fixed, especially during a recession, it is either flat, or goes down, or potentially goes away altogether. Inflation doesn’t increase incomes. Good economies do.

Meanwhile you have a loan that is stacked 90% interest payments at the start and 10% equity. Sure a low rate will speed up faster the portion that is principle, but alot of these overvalued homes are only a year or two old. Most of your equity in the house is not built up to any reasonable portion, and when you have an 8k a month mortgage that is mostly interest and you just lost your meme job, it’s going to look attractive after awhile to go back to a $1500 a month rent (especially with alcoholism, affairs, and divorces that usually go hand and hand with these times).

People will sell.

At today's prices, I am at 60% equity and it would cost nearly three times my PI payment to rent the same thing and at least twice to buy. My ass is selling nothing.

Edit because math.

 

[Sailor Kim Jong Moon]

Don’t get me wrong, I love doomposting.

But the most likely outcome is just more poverty. Less buying, less access to healthcare, no one buying homes. An increase in welfare recipients & section 8 housing, I guess. Things just getting shittier but no SHTF.

I don’t see how this could end with a food shortage in the US in the foreseeable future. (Although, I can see it in elsewhere.)

Anyone want to explain why this isn’t the case?

 

[Hippopatumus]

Don’t get me wrong, I love doomposting.

But the most likely outcome is just more poverty. Less buying, less access to healthcare, no one buying homes. An increase in welfare recipients & section 8 housing, I guess. Things just getting shittier but no SHTF.

I don’t see how this could end with a food shortage in the US in the foreseeable future. (Although, I can see it in elsewhere.)

Anyone want to explain why this isn’t the case?

- The Great Reset: we are under attack whether we admit it to ourselves or not

- The mathematical certainty of the collapse of the dollar

- Widespread vaccine injury starting to come into focus, and a violent retaliation from poisoning children imminent. This may be by design.

- The looting of the economy by our rulers

- A power struggle within the global elite

- The bullwhip effect on supply chain shocks leading to a deficit between supply and consumption of vital staples

- Imminent false flag on Russia which will clarify that we are in fact in WW3

- Imminent Taiwan war which will make the computing devices modern society depends on unavailable

- The absense of political representation forcing an inevitable civil war which will further break supply chains and balkanize and weaken American power

- China exiting trade with the US for several months to exacerbate supply chain issues intentionally

- Imminent failure of social safety nets; economic stimulus, social security, pensions, and welfare

- A populace with no runway to weather these economic tribulations who live in housing that requires numerous external inputs for basic survival

- Demographic collapse

 

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I don’t see how this could end with a food shortage in the US in the foreseeable future. (Although, I can see it in elsewhere.)

Anyone want to explain why this isn’t the case?

If you don't think Biden would let us starve in the street to ensure China continues to get massive amounts of our foodstuffs, you haven't been paying attention. If you don't think that the left would celebrate White people going hungry so random blacks in africa could continue to receive gibs, you haven't been paying attention. Those celebrations would only stop once the kale and quinoa salads stopped being delivered to the Whole Foods stores in the bugman hives by magic health food fairies.

Hell, we ship our food to China to have it processed and packed. What happens if they just refuse to ship it back? Claim delays at the start, embezzle some of the stock, then just, the delays stretch on to infinity and nothing or almost nothing comes back. How many weeks or months would it take the companies to realize what China's doing? Remember, they literally think they're racially and culturally superior to the entire planet. They absolutely would -- and DO -- steal from us whenever they have a chance.

 

[jje100010001]

If you don't think Biden would let us starve in the street to ensure China continues to get massive amounts of our foodstuffs, you haven't been paying attention. If you don't think that the left would celebrate White people going hungry so random blacks in africa could continue to receive gibs, you haven't been paying attention. Those celebrations would only stop once the kale and quinoa salads stopped being delivered to the Whole Foods stores in the bugman hives by magic health food fairies.

Hell, we ship our food to China to have it processed and packed. What happens if they just refuse to ship it back? Claim delays at the start, embezzle some of the stock, then just, the delays stretch on to infinity and nothing or almost nothing comes back. How many weeks or months would it take the companies to realize what China's doing? Remember, they literally think they're racially and culturally superior to the entire planet. They absolutely would -- and DO -- steal from us whenever they have a chance.

At this point it would be well-deserved. The US has had at least 6+ years to reorient supply chains and yet it keeps on falling enthralled into corporate interests.

 

[Meat Target]

ETA: mortgage rates have risen to 5.87%, their highest jump since 1987.