Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

[Niuhp]

It is possible with other info thats come out about her that she was using adhd as a way to get meds to increase his performance in other areas. A kid with THAT bad ADHD would not have the ability to focus for the level of gymnastics he was at.

I'm not disputing Hollie taking full advantage of his condition as a way to access meds, but I actually do think ADHD is a key factor in his gymnastics. ADHD involves a lack of dopamine in the right places in the brain for whatever reason, and among other things that can lead to someone constantly seeking adequate stimulation to fill that dopamine gap. Once they find the right thing, the flip side of ADHD occurs where they get hyper focused to the exclusion of other things. So I can fully see Hollie going 'oh fuck gymnastics makes him someone else's problem for the day AND I can capitalize on this' very early on in his life. I still don't think hyper focus got him that shredded though.

Spoiler: PL

I was diagnosed with adhd in my late twenties, which helped me approach managing it by thinking of it as a neurological condition rather than a behavioural problem. Hyper focus is a blessing and a curse, you will forget to eat if you don't set reminders

After watching the clip where Archie supposedly "grips" Hollie's fat sausage fingers, did anyone else notice that Archie is not posturing like potatoes that are severely brain-damaged (e.g. Luna, Jaxon Strong, the Hartley Hooligans, Eva Sherbondy) but technically still have/had a functioning brainstem? Archie is just limp all over. There's zero involvement from his central nervous system, because it's gone.

Are you a baby? Babies have that reflex.

I don't have it on hand right now but I believe the most recent judgement noted that his hand muscles have formed that grip shape, allowing for misleading photos where no grip is happening. It's another way Hollie's manipulating the situation

 

[A tree]

his pupils are genuinely terrifying

Videos gone already. I guess it didn't get the positive reaction she was looking for.

 

[Breadbear]

Are you a baby? Babies have that reflex.

She might be pushing in his hand just right to flex some tendons. We're all just meat marionettes. Pull the right strings and he'll do a backflip.

 

[lolcow yoghurt]

She might be pushing in his hand just right to flex some tendons. We're all just meat marionettes. Pull the right strings and he'll do a backflip.

If you push just below your fingers, onto them palm with the thumb of the same hand, you can move your fingers. I agree that she does something like that to Archie.

 

[cuddle striker]

New video.

pupils completely blown.

 

[Garbage.Theory]

If you push just below your fingers, onto them palm with the thumb of the same hand, you can move your fingers. I agree that she does something like that to Archie.

You can also try relaxing your fingers, palm side up and pressing on the middle part of your lower arm. Your fingers will curl right up!

(Hand anatomy is underrated. Shut up)

 

[obsdj]

She must really want everyone to believe her kid was retarded by going with the TikTok Challenge excuse. Kid hangs himself over the stairwell without the ability to save himself all for a tiktok video.

About the TikTok claim: Has it ever been confirmed that he actually had a TikTok account? What was his handle? If he was doing the alleged choking game, wouldn’t he have set up his phone (assuming he had one) to record it? Did police check his TikTok or phone, if he had either? If he was really on TikTok, who were his friends?

I mean we all know she’s lying, but I wonder if anyone has tried to nail her down on those details at all. Presumably not, because her kid is dead, but the dead kid appears to be turning into a cash cow.

 

[A tree]

About the TikTok claim: Has it ever been confirmed that he actually had a TikTok account? What was his handle? If he was doing the alleged choking game, wouldn’t he have set up his phone (assuming he had one) to record it? Did police check his TikTok or phone, if he had either? If he was really on TikTok, who were his friends?

I mean we all know she’s lying, but I wonder if anyone has tried to nail her down on those details at all. Presumably not, because her kid is dead, but the dead kid appears to be turning into a cash cow.

There's never been any suggestion that he was on tiktok, on his phone or attempting to film. He just hanged himself. The legal reports say that. She's just pretending he was copying a social media fad.

It's the sort of things boys that age do when they're in a group showing off. Alone in the house with a psycho mother from hell? Not so much.

 

[lolcow yoghurt]

I have lots of thoughts but I don't know how to word them. The whole situation is fucked up and there is nothing positive. That attention seeking bitch and her Facebook Karen cult need to be recorded in their own thread. I feel really sad for Archie. He probably tried to escape his hell-spawn mother, hanged himself but still got abused even in his death.
I'm MATI.

 

[usernames can change now!]

Is he....a zombie now?

Archie needs brains, because his rotted away.

 

[Hitman One]

>your a pillow of strength
I feel bad for laughing.

 

[Swein Forkbeard]

Mama Dance is gonna get arrested as soon as Archie’s corpse is released from its indignity. I’m calling it. Suicide in kids that young is so rare, coupled with the ADHD claims and gymnastics/ ripped torso shit and I think there was some serious abuse going on in that household and the postmortem will prove it. That’s probably why she’s trying to spin things out as long as possible so she can blame any PM irregularities on muh ebil hospital abuse. For all we know the hospital staff have alerted police already.

 

[A tree]

Mama Dance is gonna get arrested as soon as Archie’s corpse is released from its indignity. I’m calling it. Suicide in kids that young is so rare, coupled with the ADHD claims and gymnastics/ ripped torso shit and I think there was some serious abuse going on in that household and the postmortem will prove it. That’s probably why she’s trying to spin things out as long as possible so she can blame any PM irregularities on muh ebil hospital abuse. For all we know the hospital staff have alerted police already.

Nah. There will probably be an inquest which records a death by misadventure. That's what the coroners often do to soften the blow of a suicide for the family where there's any slight ambiguity.
Of course if Archie left a note that would be different, but if he did it will never see the light of day so I doubt they will conclusively declare it a suicide. As much as we would all like to wave our justice boners around, Hollie will get away with it and probably successfully milk this for money and gibs for years to come.
The only satisfaction any of us will get is the potential for milk from her in future.

 

[Gayden_Wren]

Criminal justice system aside, I hope the hospital drag her through the civil courts for the vile lies she’s being spewing.

Edit: I’ve binged watching most of the TV interviews she’s given- following Archie‘s injury she came across ’black out‘ challenges on tiktok and decided that‘s how it happened from there. When questioned further she said that Archie spent very little time on his phone/ social media and mostly focused on physical activity.

Her child has suffered a terrible injury, most people would feel sympathy towards someone in those circumstance, but it’s amazing how she’s able to make incredibly outlandish and improbable claims yet get very little to no push back off the TV presenters interviewing her. I get that to an extent that’s the tone taken by breakfast TV type programs, but boy you can see her lies just being lapped up.

 

[A tree]

Criminal justice system aside, I hope the hospital drag her through the civil courts for the vile lies she’s being spewing.

Edit: I’ve binged watching most of the TV interviews she’s given- following Archie‘s injury she came across ’black out‘ challenges on tiktok and decided that‘s how it happened from there. When questioned further she said that Archie spent very little time on his phone/ social media and mostly focused on physical activity.

Her child has suffered a terrible injury, most people would feel sympathy towards someone in those circumstance, but it’s amazing how she’s able to make incredibly outlandish and improbable claims yet get very little to no push back off the TV presenters interviewing her. I get that to an extent that’s the tone taken by breakfast TV type programs, but boy you can see her lies just being lapped up.

There's no way they can question her account without coming across as evil. Not until he's dead and buried and only even then if she continues with really egregious behaviour.
I'm sure the presenters aren't stupid but can you imagine the backlash if some minor daytime TV celeb starts questioning a grieving mother?
They don't know what we know. They're taking her at face value which is well-meaning but thick and poorly informed.

 

[Thomas Eugene Paris]

Something people talk about with ADHD is a phenomenon called rejection sensitive dysphoria. Its a bit tumblr-psych but a hell of a lot of people relate to it. ADHD can do a number on your self esteem so that even a mild criticism or rejection can cause a huge surge of negative emotions. "I can't do anything right, I'm unlovable, I'm a shit person, nobody likes me, im annoying". It can feel like the bottom dropped out of your world in that moment.

I could see, if we take the ADHD diagnosis at face value, how he could have lined up what he thought was a cute and funny prank, got an earful off his mum about what a little shit he is, gone into a spiral and necked himself in a moment of impulsivity (but not so impulsive that he didn't have time to get a cord, tie it securely on both ends and presumably use those gymnastic skills to heave himself over the bannister to his death.)

That's my best guess at how this went down.

Wait, this is not a thing that everyone does?

What is it called? There's no living brain that could get damaged at all.

It's called therapeutic hypothermia or targeted temperature management. It's used in patients who have suffered a hypoxic brain injury. Evidence suggests that cooling the body down has a neuroprotective effect because it slows the metabolism, which decreases the amount of oxygen required by the body. The brain damage caused by an anoxic event continues long after oxygenation is restored, because the acute injury triggers a response which itself is very damaging to healthy cells. Basically, your brain realizes it doesn't have enough oxygen, it freaks the fuck out and hamfistedly tries to fix itself, and a cascade of bad stuff happens. Therapeutic cooling can decrease the severity of brain injury by limiting inflammation, decreasing excitotoxicity, inhibiting apoptosis (cell death), and restoring metabolic homeostasis.

There are specific indications for therapeutic cooling, which include cardiac arrest and moderate to severe neonatal hypoxic-ischemic injury (like what Luna the Tard Baby had). It doesn't magically fix the damage but it does improve outcomes if initiated as soon as possible after the event. Some neonatal intensive care units supply portable cooling blankets to their life flight teams, so that if a newborn at an outside hospital has a hypoxic event during birth, the cooling can be initiated during transport rather than waiting until the newborn reaches a larger hospital.

It's actually very cool and there's real science to back it up. In Archie's case, I think doctors probably figured it wouldn't hurt him even if it would be unlikely to help. Sometimes in the hours after an acute anoxic event like he experienced, it's hard to know with any certainty how much damage the brain has sustained and which anatomic areas were affected. It does sound like doctors initially felt his injury might be survivable, until the gravity of the damage to his brain was revealed over the subsequent days.

I don't have it on hand right now but I believe the most recent judgement noted that his hand muscles have formed that grip shape, allowing for misleading photos where no grip is happening. It's another way Hollie's manipulating the situation

Purely anecdotal, but a relative of mine who worked in a pediatric intensive care unit told me years ago that the hands curling like this was often one of the first indicators that an unconscious patient was not going to survive. I actually noticed it in one of the earlier photos of Archie and thought of it.

 

[Gayden_Wren]

There's no way they can question her account without coming across as evil. Not until he's dead and buried and only even then if she continues with really egregious behaviour.
I'm sure the presenters aren't stupid but can you imagine the backlash if some minor daytime TV celeb starts questioning a grieving mother?
They don't know what we know. They're taking her at face value which is well-meaning but thick and poorly informed.

On some of the interviews you can tell by the looks on their faces that they believe every word comimg out of her mouth.
You can only assume that they don’t do very much background research before platforming her bc what’s she doing on there in the first place.


Does anyone remember Mick Philpott?

 

[A tree]

On some of the interviews you can tell by the looks on their faces that they believe every word comimg out of her mouth.
You can only assume that they don’t do very much background research before platforming her bc what’s she doing on there in the first place.


Does anyone remember Mick Philpott?

I'll have to take your word on it, I'm strong on obsessive research and extremely weak on facial expressions and body language. Ahem.

I think the presenters know very little about the people they're interviewing, let alone enough to make a critical analysis.

Yes I remember Mick. The same kind of publicity seeking sociopath.

 

[Allo Vera]

I recognise the logo on his vest there. South Essex Gymnastics Club. Max Whitlock (Olympic gold medalist) trains at their facility. If Archie was on their books and commuting to their gym, it shows they were serious about it.

 

[brooky]

I'm not disputing Hollie taking full advantage of his condition as a way to access meds, but I actually do think ADHD is a key factor in his gymnastics. ADHD involves a lack of dopamine in the right places in the brain for whatever reason, and among other things that can lead to someone constantly seeking adequate stimulation to fill that dopamine gap. Once they find the right thing, the flip side of ADHD occurs where they get hyper focused to the exclusion of other things. So I can fully see Hollie going 'oh fuck gymnastics makes him someone else's problem for the day AND I can capitalize on this' very early on in his life. I still don't think hyper focus got him that shredded though.

I'm on the fence about the ADHD. IIRC, both Simone Biles and whatshisname Phelps, the Olympic swimmer, have ADHD. Probably quite a few others. But I don't think their ADHD was so bad it was keeping them out of school. And in most cases like this, when the ADHD child finds a discipline they love, it helps them settle down. If gymnastics was so great for this kid, how come he didn't return to school? (I've heard of potentially ADHD kids ending up in, say, performing arts schools where they could hyperfocus on dance but still get a regular education. Surely there's got to be something for young athletes, if they're showing so much promise at that age?)

This is the sticking point for me. He might have hyperfocused on the gymnastics itself, but if he's having such behavioral problems that no school will take him, I don't know how he would be able to handle the discipline of training at that level. Gymnastics coaches are famously assholes, aren't they? (And as others have pointed out, sometimes worse.)

If he had ADHD, I don't think that's the sole reason he wasn't in school. I think these alleged behavioral problems came from issues at home. Having ADHD would have been an added strain, sure. But plenty of ADHD kids from non-narc homes attend school just fine. I think this story plays out the same way if he DOESN'T have ADHD.

I also don't think Ritalin and a ton of training can make a preteen that ripped. I mean, I guess it's possible. I can imagine a preteen Shaolin monk getting slightly ripped. But a modern British kid? Idk. It feels like you need puberty for that. Or some other drug-- but not ADHD meds.

Wait, this is not a thing that everyone does?

I don't think everybody does it, but certainly a lot of people do it. I think it's fairly normal, but ADHD people have a harder time shutting down that train of thought, or shaking it off, or otherwise not letting it get to them. It's like a very specific form of impulse control-- the impulse to beat yourself up.

Another thing to remember is that Archie was 12. These ADHD symptoms we're talking about can also sometimes be explained by being 12. For diagnosis, symptoms have to start appearing between the ages of 6-12 because it's a developmental disorder, and those are the ages when executive functions fully develop. And you're still not emotionally mature, not by a long shot. If he was a little more impulsive or emotional than other 12 year olds, he could've just been a bit of a late bloomer, or more likely IMO, been acting out because his mother is nuts.

Of course I'm speaking from the perspective that we only know about his behavioral issues from his mom, and I don't really believe her. He could have been an absolute ADHD terror, for sure. But not every irrational thing an ADHD kid does can be attributed solely to ADHD. Kids are just dumber versions of adults, and adults are irrational and emotional.