Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

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In reference to this post I made a few weeks ago... (Xeroform22 ranting about Cetrulo)

I missed an interesting comment chain that was made after I had archived and posted.


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I'd bet good money she's referencing ElephantDick here.

Also, Here's Xeroform admitting to another Cetrulo girl that she was only showing the most flattering pics of her results + other shady stuff.
That community really does cover for these surgeons so well. If this shit was happening with nose jobs there would be blood in the streets, these doctors would be known by name and every patient would be blabbing online about it all.

so self destructive.
 
I don't mean to start the slap fights again with this post, my high effort posts take a bit to write so excuse my lateness.
The other day, A video introduced me to the essay The Basic Laws of Human Stupidity (archive) written by Carlo M. Cipolla, an Italian author and economic historian. It's a stellar read. His second law states that anyone can be placed anywhere regardless of race, class, education, sex, etc. You can just happen to be born stupid. His third law states that you can place everyone into four categories based on if their actions benefit them and if their actions benefit society. A categorization has to consider the person's average actions in their normal state so one off instances of stupidity or intelligence and a change of demeanor due to mental illness don't count.
  1. Intelligent People - Actions benefit themselves and others/society
  2. Helpless/Naive People - Actions benefit others/society but not themselves
  3. Thieves - Actions benefit themselves but not others/society
  4. Stupid People - Actions do not benefit themselves and others.
(In my opinion actions that don't strictly benefit or inhibit the self or society - net neutral actions - are usually defaulted to the do not benefit side because that person wasted their time on the progress of that axis)

I mention this because most trannies, specifically those who get the chop, fall squarely into the Stupid People category. Some like Lia Thomas and Rhys McKinnon fall into the Thieves category but the Thieves we really care about are the SRS surgeons. One could argue that most trannies are Helpless because they all fall to the scam of HRT and SRS that the medical establishment offers, but I think that this is a one off action that benefits a minority and hurts the majority as mentally unwell men with hormones imbalances and constant pain in their groins mucking about is a net negative to society.
It's easy for a Stupid and Helpless person to be taken advantage of by Thief since they usually do not take actions that benefit themselves. In the worst case, a small group of Thieves can manipulate a large group of Stupids or Helpless to benefit the Thieves and directly or indirectly hurt society. Since we all live together on this planet, those who care about society should put in safeguards to discourage the Thieves via punishments, protect the occasional Helpless, and manage the Stupids from fucking things up. There's no use punishing the Stupids because since their overall actions do not better themselves, they are probably not learning from their own actions so they for sure won't learn from the punishment. The best we can do for them is make sure too many of them have power and herd them away from Thieves. And in that case occasionally a Stupid will fall victim.
On the other hand, the Thieves  know what they're doing as they are acting in a way to better themselves. Just because they are not Intelligent People does not mean they are not intelligent. Thieving SRS surgeons know that it's not a real vagina but they say it because that's what the Stupid/Helpless Troons want to hear and they know that the troons will parrot it to others that may be future patients. To cap this off, Cipolla concludes his essay with this:
In a country which is moving downhill, the fraction of stupid people is still [the same from when a country is going uphill]; however in the remaining population one notices among those in power an alarming proliferation of the bandits with overtones of stupidity and among those not in power an equally alarming growth in the number of helpless individuals. Such change in the composition of the non-stupid population inevitably strengthens the destructive power of the [stupid] fraction and makes decline a certainty. And the country goes to Hell.
 
can't remember his name. European.
Armin mewes or something like that?
I don't mean to start the slap fights again with this post, my high effort posts take a bit to write so excuse my lateness.
The other day, A video introduced me to the essay The Basic Laws of Human Stupidity (archive) written by Carlo M. Cipolla, an Italian author and economic historian. It's a stellar read. His second law states that anyone can be placed anywhere regardless of race, class, education, sex, etc. You can just happen to be born stupid. His third law states that you can place everyone into four categories based on if their actions benefit them and if their actions benefit society. A categorization has to consider the person's average actions in their normal state so one off instances of stupidity or intelligence and a change of demeanor due to mental illness don't count.
  1. Intelligent People - Actions benefit themselves and others/society
  2. Helpless/Naive People - Actions benefit others/society but not themselves
  3. Thieves - Actions benefit themselves but not others/society
  4. Stupid People - Actions do not benefit themselves and others.
(In my opinion actions that don't strictly benefit or inhibit the self or society - net neutral actions - are usually defaulted to the do not benefit side because that person wasted their time on the progress of that axis)

I mention this because most trannies, specifically those who get the chop, fall squarely into the Stupid People category. Some like Lia Thomas and Rhys McKinnon fall into the Thieves category but the Thieves we really care about are the SRS surgeons. One could argue that most trannies are Helpless because they all fall to the scam of HRT and SRS that the medical establishment offers, but I think that this is a one off action that benefits a minority and hurts the majority as mentally unwell men with hormones imbalances and constant pain in their groins mucking about is a net negative to society.
It's easy for a Stupid and Helpless person to be taken advantage of by Thief since they usually do not take actions that benefit themselves. In the worst case, a small group of Thieves can manipulate a large group of Stupids or Helpless to benefit the Thieves and directly or indirectly hurt society. Since we all live together on this planet, those who care about society should put in safeguards to discourage the Thieves via punishments, protect the occasional Helpless, and manage the Stupids from fucking things up. There's no use punishing the Stupids because since their overall actions do not better themselves, they are probably not learning from their own actions so they for sure won't learn from the punishment. The best we can do for them is make sure too many of them have power and herd them away from Thieves. And in that case occasionally a Stupid will fall victim.
On the other hand, the Thieves  know what they're doing as they are acting in a way to better themselves. Just because they are not Intelligent People does not mean they are not intelligent. Thieving SRS surgeons know that it's not a real vagina but they say it because that's what the Stupid/Helpless Troons want to hear and they know that the troons will parrot it to others that may be future patients. To cap this off, Cipolla concludes his essay with this:
What about actions that benefit them but actively hurt society? (I will go read the essay…)
 
Cis/non-binary men who want a neovagina

This might have been posted here before but here it is just in case. Last summer I stumbled upon a subreddit for men who identified as non-binary, basically blokes who wanted to keep on looking like big burly bears BUT wanted a pussy. Surprisingly there were quite a few post-op men there, but the majority were comments from obviously disturbed/traumatised/fetishistic etc. men who were only at the beginning of their "journey". Now, when I clicked on the profile of these men I saw multiple of them were furries into "cuntboy" art. Some of them also fetishized TIFs or the concept of men with pussies. There are menwho are seemingly gay with internalised homophobia, men who are probably traumatised but want to drill a hole into their crotch instead of going to therapy, men who simply think they are meant to have a vagina etc.

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Okay… this man got his stinkditch. Now what? Since he is a straight man what the fuck is he gonna do with it? Straight women would vomit at the sight of that man-made mockery. Soooo… did he think of what his sex life was gonna be like after this surgery or did he just compulsively chase this retarded furry fantasty? Rhetorical question.
 
That’s a given. I said straight women because these are “straight guys.” But since the people undergoing these surgeries to fit the EXTREMELY niche porn category of “boycunt” who the fuck do they think is going to want to touch them? Sure as hell not women and like you said, nobody else either.

I mean I guess this is AGP logic at play here. The AGP is going down a self-desctructive path because once they are past their final destination of getting a neovagina, they lose their libido in the process which kills their fetish. So I wonder how these guys with “boycunts” are going to fare in the future.
 
That’s a given. I said straight women because these are “straight guys.” But since the people undergoing these surgeries to fit the EXTREMELY niche porn category of “boycunt” who the fuck do they think is going to want to touch them? Sure as hell not women and like you said, nobody else either.

I mean I guess this is AGP logic at play here. The AGP is going down a self-desctructive path because once they are past their final destination of getting a neovagina, they lose their libido in the process which kills their fetish. So I wonder how these guys with “boycunts” are going to fare in the future.
To be honest, if these men choose to get mutilated for an extremely niche fetish but don't make any claims on womanhood or demand special accommodation/access to women's single-sex spaces, they're already more palatable than troons. Obviously I don't think that reputable plastic surgery clinics should offer this or "nullification surgery" to extreme body modders, but if they go to a 3rd world back alley "clinic" to have it done and manage to maintain adequate functioning socially and professionally after that, I have no beef with them.
 
Oh god another salmacian posted.

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They have a fistula 😆
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Pissing out the crotchwound.

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Oh god another salmacian posted.


They have a fistula 😆
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Pissing out the crotchwound.

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….seriously, what’s the fucking point? You have a perfectly usable butthole literally right next door to something that isn’t even recognizable as an attempt as… anything, really.

Also, what the hell is wrong with his dick? Why is it so ridiculously wrinkly?
 
Write up on u/porn_developer.

  • TiF
  • 24yo ; On Testoterone since 18
  • 5'6" 150lbs
  • Hysto 9 months ago with no vnectomy
  • Does not have top surgery and has no plans to get it (has mentioned salmacian so she might be that, though she does identify as a Transman)
  • Had stage 1 RFF phallo 4 months ago without ul
  • Surgeon was Dr Safir at the crane center in California
  • Wanted 5-6" inches and got 4.5- 4.75"
  • Had Stage 2 yesterday

Stage 1 - Basic Sausage Install

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Above she mentions necrosis. She actually posted some pics of this as a response to King-matthew-'s necrosis post today.


Stage 2 - Glans + Necrosis Fix
  • glansplasty
  • filling out some indented scarring from necrosis
  • removal of some of the tip since it was uneven due to necrosis
  • removal of a polyp from scrotum that developed during healing


Stage 3 will be implants in a few months.


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Update from u/porn_developer.
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I've never seen a TiF describe the feeling as 'pins and needles'. Just as regular numbness. No idea whether that would be a good thing or not. :/
 
u/its359am

Asian 27 TiF
Currently done 1 of 3 planned surgeries with Dr Bélanger in Montréal.
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The first photo hits me right in the feels, I've known a few butch dykes born into femme bodies and they always look like a dog standing on its hind legs when you stick them in a dress. These girls get a pretty tough time during early lesbianhood too. I just want to grab her and tell her she'll be ok and not to staple a tube or rotting flesh to her body.
 
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You'd think Dr. Chen would know that the "Asians have no body hair" is not exactly true. Especially if this poor chick is on T. OF COURSE she would need electrolysis. Maybe fewer rounds, but not zip. Couldn't they see even the fine hair on her arms to know that there would be a surface area for infection?
 
Oh god another salmacian posted.

What the hell am I even looking at. If you didn't tell me that was a neovagina I'd assume this guy's ballsack was stuck in his asshole.

So a hole was drilled in and the urethra was transported there, and now he pees out of his perineum? I'm sure it was a good idea, what could go wrong...
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