Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

Does anyone know why they keep using this stupid term "likely dead"? Is it some legal thing? Your brain liquifying and dripping down your spine isn't "likely dead" it's "really really fucking dead". It would be a lot clearer if the hospital could actually just come out and say "he's dead".
Because people are stupid and think things like MiRaCLeS HaPpEn EvErY dAy*~*. Since they are stupid, people also have a hard time understanding that brain dead is dead dead. Consider the intended reader of an article like that. They think that because his heart is still beating, he might not be all the way dead yet.

Per the court proceedings, he was declared dead at noon on May 31. The hospital likely cannot comment further regarding his condition due to privacy regulations, especially since he is a child. I suspect the media isn't saying that he is really, completely dead because the sorts of people who support Holly have made up their minds about the situation already, and saying that the kid is dead will just make them REEEEEEE about the NHS murdering children. I don't know who Caroline Fowler is, but it's very possible she thinks that Archie could just "wake up". It's absurd, but this is the level of understanding these people have. They're the same types who think turning off Granny's life support is the same as putting a bullet in her head, or that people with advanced cancer who choose palliative care are just quitters who are too pussy to fight.

As George Carlin once said, "Imagine how stupid the average person is. Now, imagine that half of the population is stupider than that."
 
As I understand the "likely dead" thing. The various doctors gave their opinion that he is "likely dead" based on their specialised knowledge. That was the exact phrasing of the medical evidence.

Then the judge considered all the evidence and declared him to have died.
In the judgement the "likely" that was quoted from the doctors reports was dropped and he was declared dead dead. He was not ruled to be "likely dead"

It's people hearing what they want to hear and remembering the bit they liked the sound of.
 
Does anyone know why they keep using this stupid term "likely dead"? Is it some legal thing? Your brain liquifying and dripping down your spine isn't "likely dead" it's "really really fucking dead". It would be a lot clearer if the hospital could actually just come out and say "he's dead".
Part of it is that scientists, and I’m guessing medical doctors as well, are Trained not to speak in absolutes.

Part of being in these fields is always being open to new data and new discoveries. In scientific circles it’s extremely common to hear people talking this way, it’s one of the reasons nutballs are able to wedge conspiracy theories into those “maybes”.

“These pyramids were likely built by the Mayans” turns into “well maybe they were built by ALIENS”

“Archie is likely dead” becomes “Archie is alive and well and just napping!”

I agree it’s frustrating to watch, especially when grifters get in there and start making money off of people’s ignorance. But changing it will take a big shift in how this aspect of science is taught.
 
How long until Hollie brings crystals and frequencies to wake him up?
She's already got him on the essential oils.
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They've got her number. Don't know whether someone's replicated our detective work or seen it here but the cats out of the bag on Lisa Jane Pittaway now.
Of course they broke out the fuckinh oils.
Yeah well they come from a genuine local small business my cousin Sharon did me a great deal just £83 for 5 bottles of "reanimate" by doterra.
 
For those wondering about the hanging and landing, I found a quick snippet in a video below that seems to show the area. In one quick scene there is a bar there and later in that scene there are these two ring things. (Forgive my lack of gymnastics terminology.) It’s clear there is something on the ceiling to attach different equipment to. (If this was posted, I apologize, I didn’t see it.).

It is possible that an impulsive kid thought he could do some quick trick in that area to get over the stairs and accidentally killed himself. I don’t think it was a deliberate suicide, especially since mom was home.

I completely agree the mother has gone off the rails since this tragedy, and keeping a dead child on life support is insane, an indignity and disrespectful. Her unwillingness to see the truth is pathological. But evil? I don’t see it.

I am not seeing evidence of prior abuse, and she’s no Mama Nails, bragging about shopping for Michaels Kors items to make her feel better while her child rots in the hospital. This lady seems to be having people pull out old comfy things from her closet because she’s in the hospital all the time, hence the decades old juicy shit, not buying new heels and handbags. She’s by his bedside always, unlike Mama Nails.

Rather than a neglectful parent, she may have been indulgent. She got angry (rightfully) when an dumb pharmacist made a mistake and burned her kids eye. She couldn’t settle on a school she thought was right. Being angry about a wrong prescription or schooling that doesn’t serve the needs of your kid wasn’t necessarily evil. She went overboard with the media but I’m guessing she felt she was fighting for kids. There was gym equipment all over the house-an attempt to redirect an active adhd kid. Neglectful mothers don’t give a shit what their kids like and aren’t spending money on gym equipment, guitars, paints, whatever it is. The idea that this kid didn’t want to do this is laughable to me. He clearly loved it.

I have always disliked the trend of instantly blaming mothers for tragedies, as always happens when a kid dies in a public way. It’s a strange form of misogyny, and often done by those who have never raised kids, but also by mothers who are smug and believing it could never happen to them. Odd how fathers are rarely mentioned.

The truth is, we have zero idea of what kind of mother she was to Archie alive, although she has two older kids supporting her. I’m not going to call her a liar and murderer because she scratched her neck during an interview recounting the worst moment of her life.

All we really know is she went insane after this hanging and she deserves negativity for the way she handled it since then. She is not too bright, so all the pro-life vultures descended and she couldn’t tell who was helping or hurting. She picked the idiots because she is one. If this happened before Facebook or social media and she wasn’t listening to the retarded purple wave, (half of whom seem to have had a brain dead family member who doctors were wrong about and miraculously are now discussing string theory), she probably would have accepted the experts and truth of his death long ago. In some ways, the internet was a mistake.

Have any of you seen the movie The Alpinest? It’s about Canadian Marc Andre Leclerc, one of the best ever free solo climbers. He also had a terrible case of ADHD, so much so that his mother pulled him out of school and homeschooled him (until high school, where he had to go back and where he did poorly and got in trouble.) In the afternoons when homeschooled, he would walk into mountains alone, and learned his solo rock climbing skills, and by 23, he was climbing some of the most dangerous mountains-alone. He said climbing, when one had no choice but to concentrate or die, was the only time his mind didn’t feel squirrelly and he felt peace. I mention it because it describes what severe ADHD is like, from his perspective and his mothers, and how raising him was much more difficult. (And it’s a very good movie.) Schools are really not built for kids who have ADHD brains. They are not stupid, they just can’t sit and hear droning all day. They don’t learn that way, and trying to find a school that understands that is near impossible. (Meds are not always the answer either.)

Anyway, Hollie/Lisa has gone too far in not accepting her son’s death. We all marvel at Luna’s mother, who believes her daughter asks for pink smoothies telepathically and thinks she’s doing better with PT, while we watch her head grow bigger and more deformed and her seizures slow down. A mother’s delusions are stunning to watch. I started the Nails thread, and I think both she and Robyn are definitely grifters and sociopaths, delusional as they are. I see this woman in a different light though. I truly think she just can’t face the inevitable, and all she knows is to stand up and fight, but once it’s done and over it’ll be a relief. I think her way of functioning in this world is to push back at what she sees as injustice, especially for her kids. She’s just not smart enough to know what injustice actually is. Maybe it’ll become focused into something helpful when Archie is buried and she can’t delay her mourning, then is able to move on.

Anyway, the photo-I tried to put it on top but I’m on mobile and it wouldn’t let me.

TL;Dr: Thanks for reading my TED talk.
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"It is possible that an impulsive kid thought he could do some quick trick in that area to get over the stairs and accidentally killed himself."

Mate he tied a dressing gown cord around his neck and the bannister.

We don't know for sure that that's the same house. the incident happened upstairs and she found him hanging from the bannister so that he appeared to be standing on the stairs. Then he dropped 8 feet. The gym gear isn't where it happened.

He roped. And she's got 2 prior convictions for violent assault and a history of attention seeking with the press and indecent exposure. She's a nut.

Plus of course rhe fact that they started fundraising the moment it happened despite getting legal aid and free healthcare. They're coining it in. I can't see that as an innocent act.

From that Facebook page
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At 5:15 in this video Hollie claims his sister saw him do a "trial run" the night before testing the ligature and her bedroom door as an anchor point. The story has changed again in terms of the order of events.


 
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God bless you, @Barbarella (and not in a Southern backhanded way either). You're more generous than most of us. I really hope that you are right. My own bitter experience of this world would suggest that Hollie has sprung some dollar signs (pound signs?) in her eyes over this, but yeah, perhaps we should think the best of people until proven otherwise. Incidentally, blaming moms for their "trans" kids is my pet misogyny peeve that is along the same lines. People always hold moms responsible for bad outcomes of their kids even if dad is a blatant POS.

On a cheerier note, if anyone wants to really understand the meaning of 'chav' I highly recommend the first season of Misfits. The character Kelly was written as an archetypal chav. The series goes a bit off the rails after a few seasons but the first one is hilarious.
 
God bless you, @Barbarella (and not in a Southern backhanded way either). You're more generous than most of us. I really hope that you are right. My own bitter experience of this world would suggest that Hollie has sprung some dollar signs (pound signs?) in her eyes over this, but yeah, perhaps we should think the best of people until proven otherwise. Incidentally, blaming moms for their "trans" kids is my pet misogyny peeve that is along the same lines. People always hold moms responsible for bad outcomes of their kids even if dad is a blatant POS.

On a cheerier note, if anyone wants to really understand the meaning of 'chav' I highly recommend the first season of Misfits. The character Kelly was written as an archetypal chav. The series goes a bit off the rails after a few seasons but the first one is hilarious.
To be fair the dad is keeping a low profile. There's a reason Hollie is in everyone's sights and it's not because she's a woman. It's her behaviour past and present. I find it chilling. "That photo" should never have seen the light of day. The poor boy will be remembered like that.
She's hired a PA now ffs to coordinate all her TV appearances. It's a juicy tracksuit not Micheal Kors shoes but all that tells us is Nails has classier taste.
 
@Barbarella I can't quote you, but I'd like to say that I agree with some of your points and strongly disagree with others. I agree that the accusations of Hollie having murdered Archie are ridiculous (he clearly did it to himself; whether or not he understood the permanence of death is what we should be asking, not whether he did it) I think there are too many red flags in her past to brush aside as simply "low IQ woman dealing an overactive ADHD kid" in the best way that she could.

She was using that kid to garner attention to herself. It's no coincidence that Archie was hyperfocused on MMA and gymnastics when the mother used to work as a "ring girl" and has made numerous public statements thirsting after boxers and MMA fighters. Calling her "evil" is a stretch, but she's narcissistic and vain, and not a good parent. She deserves criticism, not just for the media debacle but for her previous behavior.

I have always disliked the trend of instantly blaming mothers for tragedies, as always happens when a kid dies in a public way. It’s a strange form of misogyny, and often done by those who have never raised kids, but also by mothers who are smug and believing it could never happen to them. Odd how fathers are rarely mentioned.
I am a woman myself, and I don't see it as misogyny to point out that women who go bad tend to go bad in a way that's very different from men. Munchausen by proxy is a very female psycho-pathology, and the type of behavior that we see from munchie moms is very rare in fathers. If there is a father present (like with the Schofields, the Hartleys or the Jennings, for example) he's usually a background figure.
 
@Barbarella I can't quote you, but I'd like to say that I agree with some of your points and strongly disagree with others. I agree that the accusations of Hollie having murdered Archie are ridiculous (he clearly did it to himself; whether or not he understood the permanence of death is what we should be asking, not whether he did it) I think there are too many red flags in her past to brush aside as simply "low IQ woman dealing an overactive ADHD kid" in the best way that she could.

She was using that kid to garner attention to herself. It's no coincidence that Archie was hyperfocused on MMA and gymnastics when the mother used to work as a "ring girl" and has made numerous public statements thirsting after boxers and MMA fighters. Calling her "evil" is a stretch, but she's narcissistic and vain, and not a good parent. She deserves criticism, not just for the media debacle but for her previous behavior.


I am a woman myself, and I don't see it as misogyny to point out that women who go bad tend to go bad in a way that's very different from men. Munchausen by proxy is a very female psycho-pathology, and the type of behavior that we see from munchie moms is very rare in fathers. If there is a father present (like with the Schofields, the Hartleys or the Jennings, for example) he's usually a background figure.
"Evil" was an emotional gut reaction to her latest tirade against the hospital. That was truly reprehensible. No person is all good or all bad, it's never that simple.
Just reading through the comments on that Facebook. It seems they've found stuff we haven't yet. Havent tried to verify yet but Social services already involved, sister stabbed her dad and then it seems she was attacked on her motorbike. mother has a history of making accusations against schools which would explain the schooling issue not making sense with his commitment to training (probably bored shitless). Keeping your kid out of school and isolated is part of that munchie mother tactic. Dad seems barely involved.

Whatever the fuck was going on in this family none of it points to "Archie was doing great and this was just a whoopsie".
 
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