Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

[sheepworldvizor]

No, jackass, I'm sorry, unless you can come to terms with the fact that you did this to yourself first and foremost I'm just going to keep thinking that maaaaybe it's not thay bad that people like you are out of the genepool.

I'm tired of XXI century mostly for what it did to the concept of self responsibility.

I would be very interested in seeing any detransers posting evidence of their before (in-cult) and after (ex-cult) thought processes. That is, if there are any brave enough to admit that when they were brainwashed they spent hours of their lives posting on reddit about their desperation for blockers, hormones, SRS etc and how suicide-making it is that can't get it all instantly for free VS their woe is me posts once they exit the tunnel.

And this isn't bc I don't support detrans ppl, heck I support anyone leaving a cult, but you gotta stop whitewashing the past and own up to being as nuts as the next troon while in the thick of it. Endless talk about 'journeys' and 'true selves' doesn't gel with selective editing of personal histories.

 

[Doppio Vinegar]

By the way, I'm in the middle of searching for more info on the clitoral burial stuff, but I found an interesting sideline, this article from 1992 which goes with what we have been asking about using silicone prosthesis:

Silicone genital prosthesis for female-to-male transsexuals


The prosthesis (pretty simple, the ones we have today are better but it's the same idea):

Spoiler: some dildos

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Illustrations of the method to attach with the skin flap, plus a girl wearing it:

Spoiler: Looks the same as the phallo stuff

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Pretty interesting, I wonder why they don't try something like that with the cooler models we have available?

Women rip the earrings out from each other's earlobes.
Men rip the cocks out from each other's bipedicled flaps.

 

[UselessRubberKeyboard]

By the way, I'm in the middle of searching for more info on the clitoral burial stuff, but I found an interesting sideline, this article from 1992 which goes with what we have been asking about using silicone prosthesis:

Silicone genital prosthesis for female-to-male transsexuals


The prosthesis (pretty simple, the ones we have today are better but it's the same idea):

Spoiler: some dildos

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Illustrations of the method to attach with the skin flap, plus a girl wearing it:

Spoiler: Looks the same as the phallo stuff

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Pretty interesting, I wonder why they don't try something like that with the cooler models we have available?

It looks better than a rot dog? But it still looks like a really obvious fake “something” on a female body. There’s just no getting away from the fact that male and female bodies are different in many, many ways, and that we’re incredibly good at recognising this as humans.

What these lunatics need is counselling, as well as being banned from social media. Current generation’s anorexia/self harm replacement has been given a massive boost because there’s money and social/political clout behind it, instead of facing the reality that these people are mentally ill.

Besides, gaydens want their own “real” dick just like the real man they know they are (also a bunch of massive scars they can show off for attention). Slot-on dildos don’t affirm their delusions enough. Everyone knows you’re not really a trans dudekingbro if you don’t have a skinned arm and thigh to show for it. Affirm their gender, shitlord!

 

[keyboredsm4shthe2nd]

Asian trans of both sexes have a much easier time because they (usually) don’t have a strong brow ridge. I am always surprised FtMs don’t talk about brow ridges more and seem more fixated on beards and sausage dicks, since the brow is always a big part of what gives away FtMs in particular:

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Also, UK TERFs use the dinosaur emojis a lot after being declared “dinosaurs” by a politician there, and troons seethe at the idea of women having anything that they don’t have, so they have attempted to claim it.

The lizard emoji is different, it’s usually used by detransitioners as a symbol of healing because salamanders can regrow limbs (and yes it's a lizard not a salamander but there is no salamander emoji and it looks close enough)

She looks like she used a fucking face shrinker app.

 

[HERE YOU GO]

Cis/non-binary men who want a neovagina

This might have been posted here before but here it is just in case. Last summer I stumbled upon a subreddit for men who identified as non-binary, basically blokes who wanted to keep on looking like big burly bears BUT wanted a pussy. Surprisingly there were quite a few post-op men there, but the majority were comments from obviously disturbed/traumatised/fetishistic etc. men who were only at the beginning of their "journey". Now, when I clicked on the profile of these men I saw multiple of them were furries into "cuntboy" art. Some of them also fetishized TIFs or the concept of men with pussies. There are menwho are seemingly gay with internalised homophobia, men who are probably traumatised but want to drill a hole into their crotch instead of going to therapy, men who simply think they are meant to have a vagina etc.

i wonder if they think they aren't an actual tranny, i'll still tell them to fuck off either way
it's perverted shit no matter how you look at it

 

[twiggy]

I would be very interested in seeing any detransers posting evidence of their before (in-cult) and after (ex-cult) thought processes. That is, if there are any brave enough to admit that when they were brainwashed they spent hours of their lives posting on reddit about their desperation for blockers, hormones, SRS etc and how suicide-making it is that can't get it all instantly for free VS their woe is me posts once they exit the tunnel.

And this isn't bc I don't support detrans ppl, heck I support anyone leaving a cult, but you gotta stop whitewashing the past and own up to being as nuts as the next troon while in the thick of it. Endless talk about 'journeys' and 'true selves' doesn't gel with selective editing of personal histories.

This reminds me of a prominent Twitter detransitioner who chronicled her experiences trying to get her insurance to cover breast reconstruction (implants) after having a mastectomy at sixteen (Twitter thread archived here). One particular quote stuck with me and has since colored my perception of the "journey" that a lot of outspoken detransitioners seem to be going through at this point in time:

I had letters from my previous therapist, my primary care physician, and a psychologist. All of whom backed up the decision and agreed that this surgery would improve my quality of life.

"Give me this surgery or I will be depressed. Give me this surgery so I can be my true self." Rings a bell, doesn't it? I was just baffled at the idea that someone could go through the process of a major, irreversible surgery with life-altering effects and all the health risks associated with it and still come out on the other side with the belief that One More Surgery would be all she'd need to finally feel at home in her body. Plenty of GCs were cheering her on despite the fact that wanting to get breast implants (a completely medically unnecessary procedure with risks and required upkeep that does not improve the health or functionality of her body) is obviously just a bizarre, mirrored version of the self-harming urge that made her get her breasts removed in the first place.

In my experience, GCs are reluctant to criticize detransitioners who are acting this way even though it's clearly unhealthy in order to avoid alienating them from the movement. But it is important to remember that in order for someone to be a detransitioner, they had to have transitioned in the first place, and it is much easier to just do the same thing in reverse than it is to change the underlying thought process that led to it. That's why I'm just as critical of detrans "journeys" as I am trans ones a lot of the time.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

This reminds me of a prominent Twitter detransitioner who chronicled her experiences trying to get her insurance to cover breast reconstruction (implants) after having a mastectomy at sixteen (Twitter thread archived here). One particular quote stuck with me and has since colored my perception of the "journey" that a lot of outspoken detransitioners seem to be going through at this point in time:


"Give me this surgery or I will be depressed. Give me this surgery so I can be my true self." Rings a bell, doesn't it? I was just baffled at the idea that someone could go through the process of a major, irreversible surgery with life-altering effects and all the health risks associated with it and still come out on the other side with the belief that One More Surgery would be all she'd need to finally feel at home in her body. Plenty of GCs were cheering her on despite the fact that wanting to get breast implants (a completely medically unnecessary procedure with risks and required upkeep that does not improve the health or functionality of her body) is obviously just a bizarre, mirrored version of the self-harming urge that made her get her breasts removed in the first place.

In my experience, GCs are reluctant to criticize detransitioners who are acting this way even though it's clearly unhealthy in order to avoid alienating them from the movement. But it is important to remember that in order for someone to be a detransitioner, they had to have transitioned in the first place, and it is much easier to just do the same thing in reverse than it is to change the underlying thought process that led to it. That's why I'm just as critical of detrans "journeys" as I am trans ones a lot of the time.

She was only 16 when her breasts were cut off! Who knows who groomed her to do this. And now she isn't allowed to get implants and get a sense of normalcy?

This "detransitioners bad" attitude is dumb. Not every detransitioner is an agp coomer & people who were trooned out as kids deserve to get help and that includes surgery. There is huge difference between cutting off healthy body parts & replacing parts that were multilated.

I agree that adults who transed & detransed need to take responsibility for their own actions but people who were children/young teens when they were transed & multilated can't be held responsible.

 

[Dylan]

Journeys shmorneys where do these degenerates travel to? Do they think Gandalf sent them to mordor on a quest to destroy the ring of power or something?

 

[twiggy]

She was only 16 when her breasts were cut off! Who knows who groomed her to do this. And now she isn't allowed to get implants and get a sense of normalcy?

This "detransitioners bad" attitude is dumb. Not every detransitioner is an agp coomer & people who were trooned out as kids deserve to get help and that includes surgery. There is huge difference between cutting off healthy body parts & replacing parts that were multilated.

I agree that adults who transed & detransed need to take responsibility for their own actions but people who were children/young teens when they were transed & multilated can't be held responsible.

I should have specified that my post had nothing to do with the blame game. Whether or not any given trans person is personally responsible for the things that happened to them doesn't factor in to my opinion, which is that detransitioners who play the exact same "passing" and "dysphoria" game when they detrans are setting themselves up for a lifetime of pain and regret. There is no way for detransitioners to undo the things that happened to them regardless of who is at fault, and opting for cosmetic/medically unnecessary surgeries in order to try and pretend that those things didn't happen is not a good enough reason to undergo another major and unnecessary surgery - or a series of surgeries, as is the case with breast implants, which must be continually replaced throughout one's life, and, again, come with significant health risks, just the same as any other major surgery.

I don't think detransitioners bad. I think it's important to acknowledge that their vulnerability leaves them open to being taken advantage of when detransitioning in the exact same way they were taken advantage of when transitioning in the first place. They need to learn how to be comfortable in their own bodies and skin, not go from one rigorous series of interventions to the next. Obviously, that doesn't apply to things that are actually necessary for their health - but breast implants are not.

 

[I Hate Anime Avatars]

She was only 16 when her breasts were cut off! Who knows who groomed her to do this. And now she isn't allowed to get implants and get a sense of normalcy?

This "detransitioners bad" attitude is dumb. Not every detransitioner is an agp coomer & people who were trooned out as kids deserve to get help and that includes surgery. There is huge difference between cutting off healthy body parts & replacing parts that were multilated.

I agree that adults who transed & detransed need to take responsibility for their own action but people who were children/young teens when they were transed & multilated can't be held responsible.

I think you are missing the point slightly, yes not all troons are AGP cumbrains, many have genuine mental health problems and/or have been groomed and manipulated but the point is that you see many detransitioners engaging in the same type of farcical, self-destructive behavior that they did when they transitioned in the first place. The widespread belief that reconstructive surgery can turn back the clock and make everything OK is as we well know completely false and misleading, they will always be disgusting, sterile genderblobs at best and lifelong medical patients with horrible and painful complications at worst. We've seen in this thread how troons (TIFs especially) will chase their ideal with surgery after surgery until they have completely ruined their bodies, many detransitioners do the same trying to get back what they lost instead of simply accepting that they fucked up and trying to move past it. To summarise this kind of attitude dosen't address the key issue, that surgeons are not magicians who can solve all your problems, much less have your best interests in mind and that accepting objective reality and your body as it should be through therapy, medication or whatever means is the way we should be treating these people.

 

[AirdropShitposts]

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Typical male skull. No disagreement.

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If he thinks this means anything I have a bridge to sell him.

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The angles are tilted differently to make the frontal region more prominent in the "after" picture. But then, apart from the shaved brow ridge, there are really no different.

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He really needs to look for someone who appreciates inner beauty:

Spoiler: The Only NSFW gore in this post

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This is how he looked before the shave.
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Pretroon:
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Oh, I was wondering what this dude looks like. He found a pretty good thing with putting "PhD" in his username because people will retweet anything no matter how stupid if it confirms their biases and looks like it comes from an authority of some kind. Then the go-to is always "yeah sure a transphobe knows better than a PhD" even when he's not reading a graph correctly or failing at basic math. A recent thread of his was trying to claim that without transphobia then trans people might actually be the majority of the population because he felt that published survey results were just "too low" to be accurate while never explaining how he came to this determination in any of the 25 tweets.

I would be very interested in seeing any detransers posting evidence of their before (in-cult) and after (ex-cult) thought processes. That is, if there are any brave enough to admit that when they were brainwashed they spent hours of their lives posting on reddit about their desperation for blockers, hormones, SRS etc and how suicide-making it is that can't get it all instantly for free VS their woe is me posts once they exit the tunnel.

And this isn't bc I don't support detrans ppl, heck I support anyone leaving a cult, but you gotta stop whitewashing the past and own up to being as nuts as the next troon while in the thick of it. Endless talk about 'journeys' and 'true selves' doesn't gel with selective editing of personal histories.

A lot of people who leave cults immediately find another one because they never change their thinking, they just think the problem was the particular cult. Someone who wasn't skeptical of the idea that their gender is the source of all their unhappiness is probably more likely to just conclude that it wasn't their gender but it was probably something else there's just as easy of fix for. They aren't skeptical enough of the fundamental argument they're adopting. First they were a victim of their gender, then they were a victim of the cult, good probability they'll find themselves as a victim for something else. That's not to say that finding the true thing to change is easy, but they're probably strongly favoring a rather superficial change from which the euphoria will just flow. THIS ONE SIMPLE TRICK (skeptics HATE them) to endless euphoria.

To use a cliché to put it another way, you can't easily reason someone out of something they didn't reason themselves into in the first place. To allude somewhat to the earlier conversation, it's one thing for doctors to be giving bad answers, it's another when the patients don't even know the questions to be asking and there's nobody to help them discover what they are because the entire thing is based on a premise about "affirming" whatever the patient wants. A doctor who tells you "nah, bad idea" is just a gaslighting gatekeeping transphobe who wants you to kill yourself because he hates you subverting the gender roles of society.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

All of these repeat surgeries is a lot of time spent under general anesthesia. That cannot be too healthy for your brain or cardiac system. It is really scary & sad how cavalier these patients are about chancing that just to feel "euphoria". Probably because most of them are too young to think things through.

I counsel people considering a surgery that may be somewhat or entirely optional that every time you go under, you're running a slight risk of not coming back out in one piece. This is especially true if you have complicating factors ie a difficult airway (not always obvious until you're down to brass tacks), asthma, heart condition- even a very mild one- anything. So if you can grit your teeth and bear it and deal with your problems any other way than being put on a vent for an hour or three you may want to give that a go first.

You'd think in this day and age where we've been hit over the head with covid for 2 years and ventilators and such that people would think "maybe being on a breathing machine is not something I should do recreationally." But nah they still think surgery is like trying on shoes.

She was only 16 when her breasts were cut off! Who knows who groomed her to do this. And now she isn't allowed to get implants and get a sense of normalcy?

This "detransitioners bad" attitude is dumb. Not every detransitioner is an agp coomer & people who were trooned out as kids deserve to get help and that includes surgery. There is huge difference between cutting off healthy body parts & replacing parts that were multilated.

I agree that adults who transed & detransed need to take responsibility for their own actions but people who were children/young teens when they were transed & multilated can't be held responsible.

Yeah I have more sympathy for these kids who were abused and now are flailing around trying to pick up the pieces and regain some sense of wholeness. But they are still vulnerable and still apt to be exploited and still have no idea who the fuck they are. They need to do a time out on the medical procedures and media appearances and sort that shit out. Yes we need to hear from them. But we should be hearing about them through some kind of safety filter, someone who is advocating for their best interests rather than just pimping them for page clicks.

 

[Vecr]

The word "woman" can mean whatever I want, but the phrase "call me" is always a smug joke.
Words really mean everything to these retards.

You will never be like Debbie Harry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU-MYe0SL9Q / "Chipmunks On 16 Speed - Sludgefest (Full Album)" ("Call Me" is from 00:00 to 06:12) / This is how you record a Chipmunks album, you sing at about half speed, possibly mixing together slightly time-shifted copies or other vocals to make it sound like multiple "Chipmunks" are singing. You then speed the whole thing up and fiddle with the pitch adjustment, then you are done.

 

[sanguis draconis]

She was only 16 when her breasts were cut off! Who knows who groomed her to do this. And now she isn't allowed to get implants and get a sense of normalcy?

I do think people do the blaming game too much, but the whole idea of "surgery to get a sense of (artifical) normalcy" is such a big, intrinsic part of the problem in my opinion.

John Money started his whole "gender" idea because he wanted intersex kid's bodies to conform to his idea of normality ("When I asked Money about Diamond's appeal to delay surgery on intersexual babies until they are old enough to speak for themselves, Money emphatically rejected the idea. "You cannot be an it," he declared, adding that Diamond's recommendations would lead intersexes back to the days when they locked themselves away in shame or worked as circus freaks.")

So kids have to suffer to be "normalized", but this normalization is completely artificial, you cannot create a vagina or a penis, you can create a hole or a flesh appendage. You cannot bring back your breasts, either. I understand that she has been through a traumatic experience, but another cosmetic surgery will not restore anything she has lost, and frankly with detrans people specially it seens like it could be harmful. We all agree that one of their biggest issues is that they seem unable to grasp that surgery cannot recreate their bodies in the image they desire, so when they try those reconstructions, are they aware they are once again making merely cosmetic changes? Have we not seen how detrans people can still maintain "magical thinking" when it comes to those surgeries (extreme cases are those thinking they could have phallo or vaginoplasty to detransition, when that would be more than likely a horrible idea)?

What I think is best is to try to accept your body as it is, rather to continue to seek more plastic surgery. She has hated her body since she was a teenager and she continues to hate it today. If it was something to truly benefit her quality of life, like stumpy getting rid of that stump that almost killed from thrombosis, I am all for it but implants, while not necessarily a problem, could be a warning sign. Like with ex-anorexics, they need to learn a healthy relationship with food so certain diets or counting calories are a warning sign.

Nothing of this is to say she is at fault or she doesn't deserve sympathy, but it does raise a bigger issue of why implants are so important for her mental health.

(also sorry this is written so weirdly, I am bad at english)

 

[Piss Bear]

I do think people do the blaming game too much, but the whole idea of "surgery to get a sense of (artifical) normalcy" is such a big, intrinsic part of the problem in my opinion.

John Money started his whole "gender" idea because he wanted intersex kid's bodies to conform to his idea of normality ("When I asked Money about Diamond's appeal to delay surgery on intersexual babies until they are old enough to speak for themselves, Money emphatically rejected the idea. "You cannot be an it," he declared, adding that Diamond's recommendations would lead intersexes back to the days when they locked themselves away in shame or worked as circus freaks.")

So kids have to suffer to be "normalized", but this normalization is completely artificial, you cannot create a vagina or a penis, you can create a hole or a flesh appendage. You cannot bring back your breasts, either. I understand that she has been through a traumatic experience, but another cosmetic surgery will not restore anything she has lost, and frankly with detrans people specially it seens like it could be harmful. We all agree that one of their biggest issues is that they seem unable to grasp that surgery cannot recreate their bodies in the image they desire, so when they try those reconstructions, are they aware they are once again making merely cosmetic changes? Have we not seen how detrans people can still maintain "magical thinking" when it comes to those surgeries (extreme cases are those thinking they could have phallo or vaginoplasty to detransition, when that would be more than likely a horrible idea)?

What I think is best is to try to accept your body as it is, rather to continue to seek more plastic surgery. She has hated her body since she was a teenager and she continues to hate it today. If it was something to truly benefit her quality of life, like stumpy getting rid of that stump that almost killed from thrombosis, I am all for it but implants, while not necessarily a problem, could be a warning sign. Like with ex-anorexics, they need to learn a healthy relationship with food so certain diets or counting calories are a warning sign.

Nothing of this is to say she is at fault or she doesn't deserve sympathy, but it does raise a bigger issue of why implants are so important for her mental health.

(also sorry this is written so weirdly, I am bad at english)

Intersex people should have their genitalia left alone until they are adults and can make their own decision, and it should not be kept a secret from them or their parents that their child is born with a sexual deformity. Unlike trannies, intersex people actually do face some form of oppression: their genitals are sometimes mutilated at birth and they are left with no sexual sensation.

Spoiler: Diagram of intersex genitalia

And I dunno. I’ve become rather jaded. Trans activists are getting exactly what they wanted and these children are paying the price. Of course I sympathise with the children, but this really is the inevitable horrific product of no questions asked trans activism tolerance. The lawsuits in the future are going to be quite plentiful.

 

[Deepland Bystander]

She was only 16 when her breasts were cut off! Who knows who groomed her to do this. And now she isn't allowed to get implants and get a sense of normalcy?

This "detransitioners bad" attitude is dumb. Not every detransitioner is an agp coomer & people who were trooned out as kids deserve to get help and that includes surgery. There is huge difference between cutting off healthy body parts & replacing parts that were multilated.

I agree that adults who transed & detransed need to take responsibility for their own actions but people who were children/young teens when they were transed & multilated can't be held responsible.

No, she isn't "replacing part that were mutilated" - just like how amholes and arm sausages aren't the real thing, silicone implants are also not the real thing. It needs to be replaced throughout her life, multiple surgeries which requires anesthesia and that isn't good in the long run, the loss in ability to breastfeed is gone forever, it's stiff and won't feel like real breast at all.

This isn't a return to normalcy, but another illusion, just like how transitioning is an illusion.

I'm sympathetic to detransitioners, and can see that all of them are in a way, the victim of medical industry that actively sold lies to people in the first place. - However as many said, the body dysmorphia and obsession to "reverse" the alterations is unhealthy, and is the same mindset that lead to them trooning out in the first place. This is basically an addiction, this mindset that you'll be finally happy and "normal" by getting more surgery. It's like being a drug addict that instead of trying to stop it entirely, you think that moving to another drug will solve all their problems. (This is actually common for addicts I know, where they think they're saved by moving from hard drugs to something softer to get addicted to instead)

And I feel like maybe you're too morally binary here, do you know that this Protestant 'pure/impure' mindset is also why transgenderism was created in the first place. - I don't think people think detransitioners are bad and we need to abandon them, but that we see that they're still engaging in the same mindset of self destruction, just through a different target now... And to finally get over it, they need to accept and learn from their mistake

 

[sheepworldvizor]

A lot of people who leave cults immediately find another one because they never change their thinking, they just think the problem was the particular cult.

Analogous with recovering alcoholics moving onto heavy smoking or overeating or extreme fitness or religion, and so forth.

 

[Gar For Archer]

Intersex people should have their genitalia left alone until they are adults and can make their own decision, and it should not be kept a secret from them or their parents that their child is born with a sexual deformity. Unlike trannies, intersex people actually do face some form of oppression: their genitals are sometimes mutilated at birth and they are left with no sexual sensation.

Spoiler: Diagram of intersex genitalia

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And I dunno. I’ve become rather jaded. Trans activists are getting exactly what they wanted and these children are paying the price. Of course I sympathise with the children, but this really is the inevitable horrific product of no questions asked trans activism tolerance. The lawsuits in the future are going to be quite plentiful.

Lmao, that third one resembles a certain bent duck.

 

[sheepworldvizor]

No, she isn't "replacing part that were mutilated" - just like how amholes and arm sausages aren't the real thing, silicone implants are also not the real thing. It needs to be replaced throughout her life, multiple surgeries which requires anesthesia and that isn't good in the long run, the loss in ability to breastfeed is gone forever, it's stiff and won't feel like real breast at all.

Breast cancer patients get implants all the time. I’ve felt some and they’re great. They’ve come a long way from the old days, same with technique. Even cosmetic ones can allow patients to retain the breastfeeding function.

But realistically a scarred, flat detrans chest is not going to create an ideal implant situation.

And it is better to accept oneself, flaws, mistakes and all.

 

[Bush King]

Analogous with recovering alcoholics moving onto heavy smoking or overeating or extreme fitness or religion, and so forth.

I wonder if we'll ever see an ex-smoker who trooned out because of it.