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Doctor of Autism said:
I don't know who that is.
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Well you should because he's in charge of the film division of the Walt Disney Company, which put out the sequels in the first place. He was in charge of KK after Iger iirc. I know it's easy to blame KK or JJ and Roundhead for the fuckups but you can't leave out every person at fault for the sequels.

That and I'm pretty sure he casting couched Daisy Ridley at least once.
 
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Fluoxetine Man said:
I always saw it that getting the Queen to Coruscant was the number one priority, and that getting Anakin was already risky. If Qui Gon lived, I think he would've gone back to save Shmi.
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Qui-Gon's death had an impact on quite a few characters and it's one of the things George did right in the prequels.
Case in point, Dooku's interrogation of Obi-Wan Kenobi in Episode II.
Hats off to Christopher Lee for conveying what seems to be genuine regret and grimace on Dooku's face as he said how he wished his former padawan was by his side. Then, Obi-Wan's kneejerk reaction to Dooku's comments encapsulates their two different perspectives: Dooku remembers Jinn the student, Kenobi remembers Jinn the mentor. Both are confident they know Jinn better and what decisions he would have made.
Very underrated scene.
 
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The Gangster Computer said:
I honestly stopped caring about even laughing at the articles covering that pile of crap after I found out about the Coruscant LGBTQI Jedi bake-off, the rock orgy, and 'Jedi Race Around the Planet' thing. It was also getting depressing finding out that they were using more old lore planets, ships and aliens just to use them as more pointless cameo fodder like Filoni does or give them woke makeovers.
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Almost everyone in this picture has a personality from Steven Universe and is non-binary btw. And they all speak in the same MCU quipping lingo full of meta self-awareness, a writing style I'm honestly sick of.
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“INCREDIBLY WIZARD! NOM NOM!”
God, I hate everything about this picture. The horrid dialogue, the bad composition, the bootleg animu art style, it’s like they were trying to make this as awful as possible.
 
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Shekelslovakia said:
I might be going a little autistic here but doesn't that "Lola" droid kind of looks like a Star wars knockoff of Weebelle who I believe is supposed to be the daughter/sister? Of Robin Williams robot assistant "Weebo" from the lesser known Disney film "Flubber". (If you haven't seen it it's classic Kino)
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Not to be a total sperg, but the character of Lola seems to be a reference to Carrie Fisher's pet bird, Lola. I mean, they likely would've injected a cutesie droid anyways, but I think it's a nice touch.
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Doctor of Autism said:
I don't know who that is.

But out of the dumbass squad that I know of Johnson and JJ are definitely on the lower end because they could've easily been tardwrangled by someone who knows Star Wars well and had a clear vision unlike KK, Iger, and Filoni who wanted just the OT but with girl power.
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You can read up on Alan Horn and the others in the OP, but the short of it is that he was the creative genius who thought deconstructing Star Wars and making it a soulless and unrecognizable rehash with constant media pumping out was a good idea and all the while had no idea what the franchise was about. He was ultimately the brains behind Kennedy and the link between her and Iger (and China) until his departure.

But the biggest one was that Alan Horn was the genius who convinced the Disney Media Division that the ST movies abandon George's treatment or any proper sequel ideas for the sake of just remaking the OT as a "soft" reboot, and it wasn't because of nostalgiafaggotry that he did it. Oh no, the only reason he deconstructed the whole thing just to glue it back together into a soulless OT rehash was to sell Star Wars to China.

So he decided that remaking the OT but disguising them as sequels was the best way to sell Star Wars to China at the cost of reducing all the classic characters to losers and completely unraveling everything except Filoni Wars because of contractual obligations and because the merch still sold well among zoomer coomers. Its also why the setting feels like its been in a dreary pause for 30 years so it would be easier for Chinese audiences to swallow as noted as far back as 2013 when Alan Horn shamelessly bragged about his stupid plans over on Variety and in interviews, including his idea to have SW films and media be released annually.
And what did pandering to China accomplish? Absolutely nothing and Disney Wars shit is still getting banned over there, and the stuff that isn't doesn't sell and the few Star Wars nerd cliques over there fucking hate all the new crap with the exception of the first Disney Thrawn book. Yet Disney went along with this bullshit because Horn convinced them it would be more profitable because of them big ol' Michael Bay chinese bucks.

That was literally it. The son of a bitch knew most of China wasn't that interested in Star Wars outside of nerd cliques because the Chinese government was full of paranoid, ban happy and power hungry retards that made sure the film never saw wide relevance over ther-
WARNING: YOUR BEHAVIOR AND WORDING IS UNBECOMING AND GOES AGAINST GLOBAL SOCIAL INTERESTS. 30,000,000 SOCIAL CREDIT POINTS HAVE BEEN DEDUCTED FROM YOUR SOCIAL SCORE BY CHINESE MONITORING SERVICES. HAVE A NICE DAY.
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WTF I love China! 谢谢习近平! Much mercy! Me happy!
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- so he wanted to take advantage of that by butchering Star Wars for the Chinese markets. Even this High Republic scam was just another failed attempt at trying to win them over while inserting more twitter cringe in to the franchise. And what did pandering to China accomplish? Again I repeat Absolutely Nothing! Fuck Horn and Fuck Chin-

@5t3n0g0ph3r You might want to add this bit of Alan Horn info to the OP if its not too much trouble since I apparently forgot to include it last time, and I may need to be sent to a re-educational facility so I learn just how valuable China is for world peace.
 
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Attacking Filoni for taking pictures with fans of his literally who character at Star Wars conventions seems weird. If he refused, people would be shitting on him for ignoring fans at the convention. Maybe people are used to Carrie Fisher avoiding her fans all the time and assume that's just how everyone should behave.

Not like he's sniffing their hair.
 
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The Gangster Computer said:
You can read up on Alan Horn and the others in the OP, but the short of it is that he was the creative genius who thought deconstructing Star Wars and making it a soulless and unrecognizable rehash with constant media pumping out was a good idea and all the while had no idea what the franchise was about. He was ultimately the brains behind Kennedy and the link between her and Iger (and China) until his departure.

But the biggest one was that Alan Horn was the genius who convinced the Disney Media Division that the ST movies abandon George's treatment or any proper sequel ideas for the sake of just remaking the OT as a "soft" reboot, and it wasn't because of nostalgiafaggotry that he did it. Oh no, the only reason he deconstructed the whole thing just to glue it back together into a soulless OT rehash was to sell Star Wars to China.

So he decided that remaking the OT but disguising them as sequels was the best way to sell Star Wars to China at the cost of reducing all the classic characters to losers and completely unraveling everything except Filoni Wars because of contractual obligations and because the merge still sold with zoomer coomers. Its also why the setting feels like its been in a dreary pause for 30 years so it would be easier for Chinese audiences to swallow as noted as far back as 2013 when Alan Horn shamelessly bragged about his stupid plans over on Variety and in interviews, including the annual film releases.
And what did pandering to China accomplish? Absolutely nothing and Disney Wars shit is still getting banned over there, and the stuff that isn't doesn't sell and the few Star Wars nerd cliques over there fucking hate all the new crap with the exception of the first Disney Thrawn book. Yet Disney went along with this bullshit because Horn convinced them it would be more profitable because of them big ol' Michael Bay chinese bucks.

That was literally it. The son of a bitch knew most of China wasn't that interested in Star Wars outside of nerd cliques because the Chinese government was full of paranoid, ban happy and power hungry retards that made sure the film never saw wide relevance over ther-
WARNING: YOUR BEHAVIOR AND WORDING IS UNBECOMING AND GOES AGAINST GLOBAL SOCIAL INTERESTS. 30,000,000 SOCIAL CREDIT POINTS HAVE BEEN DEDUCTED FROM YOUR SOCIAL SCORE BY CHINESE MONITORING SERVICES. HAVE A NICE DAY.
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WTF I love China! 谢谢习近平! Much mercy! Me happy!
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- so he wanted to take advantage of that by butchering Star Wars for the Chinese markets. Even this High Republic scam was just another failed attempt at trying to win them over while inserting more twitter cringe in to the franchise. And what did pandering to China accomplish? Again I repeat Absolutely Nothing! Fuck Horn and Fuck Chin-

@5t3n0g0ph3r You might want to add this bit of Alan Horn info to the OP if its not too much trouble since I apparently forgot to include it last time, and I may need to be sent to a re-educational facility so I learn just how valuable China is for world peace.
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You know I thought Iger was the one who wanted to pander hard to China but I had no idea Horn was in on it too, but it makes sense considering he put profits over being true to Star Wars. The hilarious part is Star Wars completely took a shit in China and nobody cares about it over there. It's almost like nostalgia pandering fanfilms don't work in a country with no nostalgia for the IP.
 
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In every dystopian work, members of that civilization have a tendency to be prideful over the fact they're part of that civilization. Never mind the fact everything that dystopia does is atrocious. Then again, you were taught at an early age that atrocity is normalcy.

I'm fairly certain part of the reason why Star Wars doesn't work on a place like China is the simple fact the government there isn't going endorse a film about dissidents going against an authoritan empire and winning. Doesn't gel well with what China wants. Still, Disney sucks for trying to appeal to someone like that.
 
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The Gangster Computer said:
You can read up on Alan Horn and the others in the OP, but the short of it is that he was the creative genius who thought deconstructing Star Wars and making it a soulless and unrecognizable rehash with constant media pumping out was a good idea and all the while had no idea what the franchise was about. He was ultimately the brains behind Kennedy and the link between her and Iger (and China) until his departure.
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I was right in calling Kylo Ren a communist faggot, because the Anti-Trilogy pandered to commies. Also Disney in their infinate insanity thought of pandering the commie crowd and the diversity crowd was a great idea. They should have made Finn white if they wanted to go full pander. So in the first anti movie, they almost kill off Finn.
 
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Kyria the Great said:
I know its long dead and its been nearing 5 years but man still to this day I loathe The Last Jedi. The film is aggressively one of the biggest fuck yous in film history being an example of almost everything wrong with modern filmmaking these days. Even if we were to disregard all the character and lore breaking shit in the film what exists in abundance, what else are we left with?

The fact it started with a "Yo Mama" joke in 2017 was already a sign this film was unsalvagable. It's a film that has some of the worst pacing, tone, and character consistency that's received a major budget. It's also way too long where one could have trimmed 45 minutes off of the film and likely would have been more serviceable.

It makes me wonder why Disney is so obsessed with turning all their franchises into female-centric films and projects when they've already clamped down the girl, teenie bopper, and teenage girl market through mainline disney and tv shows? The funniest thing about all this shit is that I haven't seen one little girl talk about Rey or any female star wars character even though these characters are aimed at them. It takes the cake for me how you could misunderstand the core audience of a franchise or genre so bad that you take Star Wars from an event film towards direct to video schlock.
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I feel ya my dude and I fully agree with you. I'm still going to stand by my opinion that TLJ is the best of the sequel trilogy (admittedly a low bar) - maybe I can win you over.

1) TFA and TRoS are so generic and boring that they are literally sleep-inducing. At the very least, the Ryan Johnson shitshow "engages" the audience.

2) The clumsy elements of "subversion" and there being "a last Jedi" will make you want to replay KOTOR 2, and I have a soft spot for anything that reminds me of KOTOR 2. Kreia to this day is the best female character in Star Wars, and KK and Filoni will never, ever be able to change that (lol). The Crait sequence also sorta reminds me of Rebel Assault 2, which I played the shit out of as a kid.

3) Po mutinies the dangerhair bitch admiral and would've succeeded without a literal Deus Ex Machina from Marry Poppins Leah (based). The dangerhair bitch admiral then immediately kills herself in shame (extra based).

4) Grumpy Luke is the least insufferable character of the entire sequel trilogy. I seriously challenge you to think of a less insufferable character. I chalk that up to a certain charm that Mark Hamil was able to bring to the table.

5) Lots of unintentional comedy (as has been pointed out).

Not a lot of point in seething about the shitshow that is the sequel trilogy now, since Disney will never, ever retcon it. They will double and triple down until the end of time. Might as well enjoy the trashfire - it is a very pretty trashfire after all.
 
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The Ugly One said:
Most Disney Wars fans are men because women don't really care for space wizards and laser space ship fights. They don't now, and won't ever. As the Star Wars fandom shrinks, it will continue to be predominantly men. There is no set of future circumstances wherein women and girls have more toy space ships decorating their living spaces than men and boys do.

Disney is in total denial of this fact, because anyone who says the truth about it will immediately be fired for spreading sexist myths. The official company line in any male-centric field or product line that every C-Suite executive spouts, and wants to hear you spout, and will fire anyone for not spouting, is that women are a vast, untapped reserve of talent/spending/etc, and all we need to do is find that magic recipe that will finally make women become 51% of the people watching football/drinking scotch/studying mechanical engineering/buying space ship toys/etc.
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I forgot to mention Hollywood THOUGHT there was more money with a female audience to be made because of Twilight, doesn’t make it true.

Twilight was actively repellent to males, a lot of what guys like is actively repellent to women, Star Wars was actually a bit is an exception but it was always leaned male and they bet the wrong horse thinking otherwise.

Where there’s money to be made is actually knowing who you’re audience is, now we live in age where they play pretend for who their audience is.

I just say Twilight got the ball rolling because there wasn’t really a female centric movie franchise prior to that, most stuff geared towards a female audience was admittedly pretty secondary like romcoms, Potter had a big female following but wasn’t necessarily geared towards them, Twilight is what hit them thinking about the idea of female centric franchises which lead to later hits like Hunger Games but then they also tried to grandfather in stuff like Star Wars to appeal to that audience.

On a side note, ever notice how forgotten Hunger Games and it’s wannabes are?
 
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Dom Cruise said:
I forgot to mention Hollywood THOUGHT there was more money with a female audience to be made because of Twilight, doesn’t make it true.

Twilight was actively repellent to males, a lot of what guys like is actively repellent to women, Star Wars was actually a bit is an exception but it was always leaned male and they bet the wrong horse thinking otherwise.

Where there’s money to be made is actually knowing who you’re audience is, now we live in age where they play pretend for who their audience is.

I just say Twilight got the ball rolling because there wasn’t really a female centric movie franchise prior to that, most stuff geared towards a female audience was admittedly pretty secondary like romcoms, Potter had a big female following but wasn’t necessarily geared towards them, Twilight is what hit them thinking about the idea of female centric franchises which lead to later hits like Hunger Games but then they also tried to grandfather in stuff like Star Wars to appeal to that audience.

On a side note, ever notice how forgotten Hunger Games and it’s wannabes are?
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There is definitely money to be made from women, just not from Star Wars. The dominating ethos in all corporate America, Hollywood merely being the most visible, is that if women don't like something, there's something wrong with it, and you need to keep changing that thing until they finally like it.

It's just assumed men will come along (and if they don't, the problem is the men).
 
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There’s money to be made of course but they got this screwed up idea the Twilight audience could be the audience for everything and that’s before politics even really came into play.
 
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Dom Cruise said:
I forgot to mention Hollywood THOUGHT there was more money with a female audience to be made because of Twilight, doesn’t make it true.

Twilight was actively repellent to males, a lot of what guys like is actively repellent to women, Star Wars was actually a bit is an exception but it was always leaned male and they bet the wrong horse thinking otherwise.

Where there’s money to be made is actually knowing who you’re audience is, now we live in age where they play pretend for who their audience is.

I just say Twilight got the ball rolling because there wasn’t really a female centric movie franchise prior to that, most stuff geared towards a female audience was admittedly pretty secondary like romcoms, Potter had a big female following but wasn’t necessarily geared towards them, Twilight is what hit them thinking about the idea of female centric franchises which lead to later hits like Hunger Games but then they also tried to grandfather in stuff like Star Wars to appeal to that audience.

On a side note, ever notice how forgotten Hunger Games and it’s wannabes are?
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Hunger Games has a prequel coming out (as does Game of Thrones), so who knows what the kids are into these days.
 
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