Jaron Seth Bloshinsky / Jazz Jennings / I Am Jazz - Puberty Blockers: Not Even Once

[NoReturn]

This smile looks real for once, but no one else is around but Greg.

I love arugula and would eat it forever if it wasn't so fucking expensive. I grow some but not remotely enough to make it a staple food.
I never got the "greens are gross" meme, I love all greens - and I could never afford any of that trendy shit that supposedly makes them palatable, it's not sold at not-Walmart where I shop, it's sold at not-Whole-Foods at 5x the price.

We all have different tolerance for tasting bitterness, some genetic, some potentially from the foods our mothers ate while we were in utero. My mum and I have been known to enjoy raw brocolli and mushrooms as a snack- raw arugula on it's own is fine to me. But assuming Sander is like 90% of the population more sensitive to bitter, this is absolutely a way to make himself hate arugula

Also your gut bacteria. Most people won't usually have an opportunity to notice, but if you change your gut bacteria over time, or if you lose them all (disease or intense rounds of antibiotics) and then have to rebuild that colony, your tastes and food preferences will change.
I bring this up because there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that this is a factor for Jazz's physical and mental health. The kid has been on so many drugs over the years, had multiple surgeries, etc. that his microbiome is probably an absolute mess. The only consistency he's had is junk food and the crap his family eats.

The grossest thing I've every eaten? American confectionery. It gave me flashbacks to the time I was 5 and accidentally salted my tea. SALT DOES NOT BELONG IN CANDY goddammit why.

Spoiler: Hey Safir, check this out

I mean, as an ethical therapist not trained/indoctrinated into gender woo, where would you even start with him?

Not a therapist, but if I had to take a whack at a recommendation myself, step one would be to get him away from his family. The biggest problem with that, though, is that you run the risk of the same phenomenon that cults take advantage of intentionally: Namely, that isolation from friends and family makes you cling to the cult for support.
So, honestly, before even starting therapy, I'd want to make sure Jazz had interests and a life outside of his family. The school lacrosse club isn't enough. He'd need something stable in his life like a part-time job at the very least.

This is Jazz & Co back in December:
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Jazz is now officially taller than Griffin and just about neck and neck with Greg. I think he is still growing. God, he’s huge. Someone get that poor man into ED therapy. Is Donut Judge the only shirt that fits him?

This is the boys a month ago:

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Am I getting it wrong or does it look like that Jazz is trying to appear smaller in tiktok videos & photos? Just look at the photo of him & Greg. They have the same height but it looks like Greg is taller. It's not the first time I noticed that and that was when Jazz was already nearly the same height as the twins. I wouldn't be surprised if it's true.

 

[RL Steinbeck]

This is Jazz & Co back in December:
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Jazz is now officially taller than Griffin and just about neck and neck with Greg. I think he is still growing. God, he’s huge. Someone get that poor man into ED therapy. Is Donut Judge the only shirt that fits him?

Guys, use your eyes. They are standing on uneven terrain. Look at their feet; the point where Jazz’s feet are making contact is a good 4-6” higher than where Sander is standing. Yes, Jazz is bloated and wide, but he’s not having a random vertical growth spurt.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Guys, use your eyes. They are standing on uneven terrain. Look at their feet; the point where Jazz’s feet are making contact is a good 4-6” higher than where Sander is standing. Yes, Jazz is bloated and wide, but he’s not having a random vertical growth spurt.

That would still make him the same height as Greg tho...or even taller because it looks like Greg's feet are higher than Jazz'...

If Jazz is as tall as Greg or taller then he 100% grew.

 

[RL Steinbeck]

That would still make him the same height as Greg tho.

Greg is standing on a bump too; look at Griffen’s left foot vs right foot. The ground is all bumpy and on a slope which is why it’s so hard to make sense of it.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Where are the autists who can figure out if Jazz got taller & how much if you need them??

 

[OttoWest]

Guys, use your eyes. They are standing on uneven terrain. Look at their feet; the point where Jazz’s feet are making contact is a good 4-6” higher than where Sander is standing. Yes, Jazz is bloated and wide, but he’s not having a random vertical growth spurt.

They’re on uneven terrain. Their stances are different. We don’t know their shoe sole thickness. Blah blah blah. The point is Jazz has had some kind of a growth spurt even after completing the blockers regime that has put him much closer to the average male height in his family than the female one.

 

[GenitalFetishist]

He's gonna end up the tallest one in the family

 

[biledriver]

Sorry, you make excellent points, it's just jarring the use of 'she'. Isnt calling jazz 'she' the whole reason why they're mentally ill? I don't mean to undermine your take, it just.. yeah. I don't know if calling jazz 'she' is part of the crap that got Jaron og into this.

..wow, jazz has actually been robbed of all qualities beyond trans kid. They're famous for not any independent decisions, but about an operation and medical procedures, tv cams, someone else lined up. No wonder jazz acts 12 still.


Eta: it is weird how it feels as sad as discussing kids drawn into this, yet jazz is over 18. At HARVARD. an adult, a success. Right?

I don’t know wtf pronouns to go with. I went back and forth about it, tbh i think jazz passes fairly well (if I wasn’t told I’d just assume she was a regular frumpy, richkid Florida jap). In my opinion, transgender people exist, very occasionally, and I define that as “people who naturally behave & could reasonably integrate into society as another gender”. I think this situation is incredibly rare. The mental illness is people willingly adopting this as an identity rather than a psychological/ medical issue, bizarre, unethical & unsuccesful “treatment” methods, that sort of thing. Allowing kids to choose these methods or parents to inflict them on kids is far different than an adult making an informed, well thought out decision (with therapy), even the latter isn’t as common as it should be. I fall into the “troons are more numerous but different than trans people” category, but very critical of all this woke rainbow bs (so that kinda informs my opinion).

Spoiler: “pronoun shit”

Personally I find nothing wrong with calling Jazz whatever pronouns they want cuz the shit that kid has been through makes me feel weird about saying “he”. I totally understand why some will disagree with me or think this is dumb, but the kids been forcibly stripped of any means of being a normal man, doesn’t even have a reference point for it. I think it’d be cruel to try & force Jazz into a male role now unless that’s her choosing since she’s already had so many atrocious choices made for her. I get where you’re coming from , at this point I think Jazz would have an easier time living as a woman. A weird woman, but idk what someone in this situation should do.

I think this conversation & other thread discussion of how people view Jazz was esp prescient. Childlike, awkward, uncomfortable, sickly, unpleasant/weird temprament, depressed, shallow— the discussion of how many people would probably interact with Jazz as if she were just a weird genderless child, I kind of agree. Children, though, have rather fluid , open concepts around identity that are supposed to be that way so they can learn & figure themselves out as they grow into adults. Jazz has been utterly deprived of any means of developing any personality at all, I guess to me that makes me feel like if she has any chance of growing into any kind of authentic identity idgaf what pronouns she wants, she can have that.

The whole thing legit makes my brain hurt.

"Shallow" is in fact the word that I first think of whenever I see anything related to Jazz. Whenever he acts like a girl, he acts like a real basic bitch, a caricature of the worse of airheads. And Ari isn't like this. She has depth, a real life with a career and a relationship, so you can't completely blame her family. Like someone said, he wasn't raised like a girl; he was raised as "trans"

I agree, it sad to me that Jazz has been “assigned” this bizarre hollow caricature of femininity when it seems like even if she were legitimately transgender, she wouldn’t want her whole life & existence to be that. This person has been stifled in every possible way, along with the massive cruelty of having no privacy & worst moments on the, she always has a look on her face like she knows something is horribly wrong but has no way to explain it. Jazz isn’t the brightest bulb due to this fucked upbringing, but I’m hoping one day the realization of everything that’s been robbed from her won’t kill her & she’ll give a scathing interview about her truly creepy family.

I mean, as an ethical therapist not trained/indoctrinated into gender woo, where would you even start with him?

I think encouraging autonomy, basic living skills & self care, learning genuine self-reflection. Basically, anything that would potentially foster a more authentic identity, a real personality. None of this will work if mummy dearest still has her Frankenstein pet.


Pour one out for Jazz’s knees. Looks so painful

 

[all4mom2]

I also struggle with the gender thing; because I've watched the show since Day One and even the random documentaries before that when he was very feminine acting and appearing, I'll often type "she/her" and then have to go back and change it to "he/him" because I recognize that he's biologically and chromosomally male however much he's been messed with. However, if I met him on the street, I'd think he was a female with a hormone problem; maybe PCOS or just very prematurely menopausal.

Seems to me a year of college away from Jeanette has done him good; Pomona might have been a better fit, but Harvard is better than nothing. My fondest hope for Jazz, though, is that he comes to realize what's happened and how harmful early transitioning is and that he becomes an advocate against it, as that seems to be his niche. He can settle into whichever gender he feels he is or no gender at all, as he's really neither here nor there.

 

[Friendly Futa]

Is it a castrati thing or what?

It is. Bone plates stop growing due to the effects of hormones during puberty. A lot of eunuchs were tall.

 

[RussianBlonde]

The first time he went to Harvard (before COVID), there was strong evidence that he had a suicide attempt. This was in like 2019 iirc. He withdrew from classes and was not seen on TV or social media for a while. When he reappeared, he had gained weight and was tired all the time. Harvard made him do a bunch of shit to show that he was ready to come back. It’s well known that he’s on psych meds and probably not just a low dose of one of the milder ones. Jeanette said he had a “team” of 8 doctors. Why else could he have dropped out from Harvard? Probably wasn’t partying too hard lol.

I haven't heard of that but then again I have only recently discovered Jazz and don't know all the details. It would make sense with the weight gain, psychotropic medications are known to sometimes have serious effects on body mass and while his seems excessive i can imagine he's on a cocktail of all kinds of drugs/hormones etc

 

[all4mom2]

There's no evidence that there was a "suicide attempt"; that's pure conjecture. But it's clear he had some sort of crisis/failure, and we can safely assume it was mental/emotional in nature since it resulted in "a new cocktail of psychiatric drugs" and having to have a shrink's approval to return...

 

[Troll Patrol]

 

[Wonder dong]

There's no evidence that there was a "suicide attempt"; that's pure conjecture. But it's clear he had some sort of crisis/failure, and we can safely assume it was mental/emotional in nature since it resulted in "a new cocktail of psychiatric drugs" and having to have a shrink's approval to return...

Why not though? The suicide rate for troons is high. Maybe it dawned on him that he was only allowed to grow a piece of bubble gum for a dick and freaked out. I would have.

My Bubblegum!

 

[all4mom2]

Why not though? The suicide rate for troons is high.

I didn't say there wasn't; I said there's no evidence that there was.

 

[KiwiFuzz]

People are incredibly arrogant when it comes to history. Pretty much every generation comes up with bullshit psychological or medical scares. Back in the 1800s, physicians in the antebellum south claimed slaves running away was caused by a disease called drapetomania, caused by basically being too nice to darkies. We also liked putting every negative feeling a woman had to mental illness. DID was basically a fabrication to sell a book and TV movie. In the 80s and 90s, dozens of kids were brainwashed by accident into reporting they’d been sexually tortured by Satanists in caverns underneath their daycares. I’d argue the Satanic Panic is what the whole trans kids thing most resembles: well meaning if ideologically motivated adults projecting on kids, who then parrot it back because that’s literally what little kids do to navigate the world.

PTSD is real and blocked/recovered memories are rare but real.

How many daycares nowadays get busted for having a chomo on the staff? A chomo doing bad things to little kids?

What if I told you that had been happening for a very long time and it was only in the 1990s that the victims felt comfortable talking about shit that happened when they were four? Shit they never told their own parents about because they felt guilty or because their abuser told them that something terrible would happen if they ever told anyone? Shit that wasn't really discussed before the 1990s because before then if something bad happened to a little kid the advice to parents was to pretend like it never happened at all?

Just because kids are easily manipulated doesn't mean that terrible things don't happen and the kids themselves aren't gaslit by people around them.

I think we're going to see a new wave of allegations happening in a few years where a kid says a person in a dress raped them, and I think the same thing is going to happen, namely some people will listen and take it seriously while society at large will blow it off because trans women are women and the kids must be little transphobic chuds just making shit up.

 

[Wonder dong]

I didn't say there wasn't; I said there's no evidence that there was.

Well, here’s the question….is a suicide attempt something the family would keep quiet, or would they use it for more fame and money?

Jeanette to every camera on the planet: All this hatred for Jazz caused her to contemplate suicide.

Jazz has a plethora of meds. He’s not on all that shit cuz he spilled a glass of milk.

 

[formerfatcow]

 

[biledriver]

Well, here’s the question….is a suicide attempt something the family would keep quiet, or would they use it for more fame and money?

Jeanette to every camera on the planet: All this hatred for Jazz caused her to contemplate suicide.

Jazz has a plethora of meds. He’s not on all that shit cuz he spilled a glass of milk.

Hard to say since it’s obvious the mother is looking for publicity in any way possible. I think if there actually was an attempt (imo there wasn’t), that would come across as too dark. Almost like it would concretely show that this whole thing is beyond fucked up & Jazz is miserable.
. Nothing on the show is presented with any seriousness, not even surgery, the whole family just goes from one superficial activity to another.
I guess I think they’d have a hard time spinning a suicide attempt into something for the show without inevitably exposing Jazz’s true feelings. I suppose they could go with a storyline about “transphobia” being the cause, shill some merch with cheap motivational phrases, etc
That said I doubt Jazz actually did any serious self harm or anything of that sort. More likely a bunch of panic attacks, unease at being away from home, maybe a bunch of calls home, then Jeanette uses this to tighten the leash. The way they just glossed over the baby monitor thing shows she will go to great lengths to control what Jazz says & does, even alone in the bedroom.

The mother strikes me as too narcissistic to deal with a for-real suicide attempt. She’d be worried most about how that’d make her look. The storyline would mean admitting their little rainbow cash cow is anything but a happy mermaid, doesn’t fit the brand or narrative

Sander rockin that “medical abomination sibling” rictus grin like the forgotten Hartley kid