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[crab fucker]

I legitimately don't think EFAP was this bad when it started. It's always been longwinded, but at least they weren't doing hours of superchat roundups (legit, why even give money if you're going to be ignored for weeks?), and their criticisms weren't as volatile or cringe inducing. Mauler is a door mat by now, and rags is slowly eroding whatever goodwill he earned with his earlier series.

 

[Lensherr]

It's finally happening, a RLM video being EFAPed

Did they even watch RLM's review?

They weren't glowingly positive about the show, they just didn't get MauLer-tier angry over it.

Is that seriously their standard for being a shill?

 

[Gloria From Pokemon Sword]

The Obi-Wan show is definitely better than the lot Disney has produced so far. I don't see how it's controversial to say Obi-Wan is "alright." About on par with Mandalorian, though it's like a 6 or 7 out of 10. I don't get how such a mildly enthusiastic review is somehow the final straw that calls for an EFAP.

It's an all-or-nothing approach to EFAP and the Fandom Menace. They hate it when it gets praised because you only praise good media. The idea that something is middling when THEY hate it is wrong to them. THat's the problem with EFAP especially: it's a matter of right or wrong, and once you're wrong, you can only change your mind to be right by agreeing with them (see: I Hate Everything). Trying to actually prove your point is pointless.

Did they even watch RLM's review?
They weren't glowingly positive about the show, they just didn't get MauLer-tier angry over it.
Is that seriously their standard for being a shill?

World Class Bullshitters made it clear to Fandom Menace Followers that praising "bad Disney Star Wars" makes you a shill.

 

[Gondolindrim]

I just want to remind everyone that RLM is directly responsible for Disney Star Wars. Someone with actual power watched their meme Prequel critiques and used them as a blueprint for all their movies and shows going forward.

 

[Lensherr]

I just want to remind everyone that RLM is directly responsible for Disney Star Wars. Someone with actual power watched their meme Prequel critiques and used them as a blueprint for all their movies and shows going forward.

Yeah, a couple of hack frauds from Milwaukee used their hoodoo magic to trick a multimillion dollar corporation into making Star Wars based on their prescriptive criteria. Had nothing to do with the fact that the fandom at large was pissing and moaning about Lucas and his influence over the franchise, and Disney was just doing what they thought they wanted. RLM is just a convenient scapegoat for asspained prequel stans who can’t stand anyone criticizing the Star Wars that they grew up with.

 

[Gondolindrim]

Yeah, a couple of hack frauds from Milwaukee used their hoodoo magic to trick a multimillion dollar corporation into making Star Wars based on their prescriptive criteria. Had nothing to do with the fact that the fandom at large was pissing and moaning about Lucas and his influence over the franchise, and Disney was just doing what they thought they wanted. RLM is just a convenient scapegoat for asspained prequel stans who can’t stand anyone criticizing the Star Wars that they grew up with.

Is it so unbelievable?

 

[Clorox Cowboy]

Yeah, a couple of hack frauds from Milwaukee used their hoodoo magic to trick a multimillion dollar corporation into making Star Wars based on their prescriptive criteria. Had nothing to do with the fact that the fandom at large was pissing and moaning about Lucas and his influence over the franchise, and Disney was just doing what they thought they wanted. RLM is just a convenient scapegoat for asspained prequel stans who can’t stand anyone criticizing the Star Wars that they grew up with.

While RLM's video probably wasn't watched directly by JJ Abrams the video definitely had influence over a large portion of fans and helped create discourse.

Not that the movies weren't shitty on their own, but RLM had a massive platform before most people did.

 

[Gloria From Pokemon Sword]

While RLM's video probably wasn't watched directly by JJ Abrams the video definitely had influence over a large portion of fans and helped create discourse.

Not that the movies weren't shitty on their own, but RLM had a massive platform before most people did.

You mean like how MauLer convinced people that Disney Star Wars has no meaningful, objective positives because they'll all age, unlike the writing?

 

[Clorox Cowboy]

You mean like how MauLer convinced people that Disney Star Wars has no meaningful, objective positives because they'll all age, unlike the writing?

Yeah, though RLM had more reach due to the movie critique market being more bare at the time.

While movie reviewers aren't the end all be all of a films public perception they can slowly create a narrative especially by others seeing it and being encouraged to create similar videos or incorporate ideas into their own discussions

 

[You're Not Canon]

Redlettermedia probably did affect how the sequels were made. Notice how there's zero worldbuilding in the three movies? I imagine that was because of the "no politics in Star Wars" sentiment that was magnified by the Plinkett reviews.

 

[Gloria From Pokemon Sword]

Redlettermedia probably did affect how the sequels were made. Notice how there's zero worldbuilding in the three movies? I imagine that was because of the "no politics in Star Wars" sentiment that was magnified by the Plinkett reviews.

From what I read online, it goes like this:

1. Bob Iger tells K.K. and J.J. to respect the original trilogy, so J.J. makes basically his own Episode 4.
2. The CLone Wars cartoon was canceled in the buyout, and some think it was Disney wanting to separate themselves from all things prequels-related.
3. J.J. has to re-write the film to meet what K.K. wanted, which mostly means that Finn goes from the star to co-star with Rey, and Poe loses most of his screen time.
4. Episode 7 is a hit, Iger thinks he has the newest Marvel and thinks treating K.K. like Kevin will work.
5. Having been given the blank check, K.K. hires Rian to make Star Wars their story with Episode 8.
6. Mr. Poop, I'd like to introduce you to my friend, Mr. Fan.
7. Bob has to remind K.K. Star Wars isn't just hers, albeit in not so many words.
8. Director to Episode 9 and J.J. is brought back.
9. J.J. makes a half-decent episode 9, but it "won't reunite the Star Wars fandom" as Bob demands.
10. Shooting/Editing begins. Where it ends is hard to even speculate on, let alone speak with any level of confidence. I hear "leaks and rumors" that it was anywhere from 2 months to literally the month of the film's release.
11. Episode 9 comes out with Mr. Poop and Mr. Fan revealing they're having a gay marriage.

This is taken from several videos, "leaks" (no they aren't facts, but they're not worth ignoring outright either), speculation, and actual interviews with Disney-Lucasfilm. We'll likely never know what happened to make Star Wars under Disney the complete embarrassment it turned out to be, but I would sooner bet on this timeline of events; complete with Bob, not RLM, being what resulted in "nothing from the prequels" existing in the new trilogy. And the lack of world-building? That's a direct result of the Mystery Box, Rian twisting expectations like a pretzel instead of telling a story, and J.J. having to flex tape Star Wars into something decent in 2 hours while everything is on fire.

At most, RedLetterMedia's Plinkette reviews (which are sorta critiques but also not (seriously, notice how in the last two pages of this thread people jump between them being serious critiques vs memes)) made it hard to praise the prequels for any good ideas or good bits while making it popular to dunk on them harder than people otherwise would have. (having seen them, they're not really good, but hardly the worst cinema out there).

 

[Shieldman]

The prequels released when social media / youtube were just catching on.
I had limited exposure online back then, but things like hating Jar-Jar, being bored at the politic scenes, or being antagonistic to the excess of CGI were common sticking points before Plinkett existed. But you could argue that it helped it go "viral".
"Practical effects!" was a oft used marketing point for episode 7.

The thing is that the fan backlash towards Disney Wars and a very healthy meme community helped the prequels get back in the good graces of the common public (that and people that were like 12 years old in 2005 never really hated them in the first place).

I know a few people that are just like Rich Evans in that they still hold a visceral disgust over the prequel movies, and those snappy derisive comments were bound to piss people off, EFAP or not.

 

[reptile101]

They already EFAPed RLM's Revenge of the Sith half a year ago. I saw Az piss and shit himself on Twitter because RLM dared to like Kenobi. Guess Longman was salty as well. Wonder if this might get a little drama.

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eh i cant say its him pissing himself

i saw the rlm review it was kind of dumb the kind of thing they woulda torn apart with mr plinkett they are funny but they have really bad taste sometimes with media

just look at the rlm thread even most people there did not enjoy or agree with rlms take

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

The Obi-Wan show is definitely better than the lot Disney has produced so far. I don't see how it's controversial to say Obi-Wan is "alright." About on par with Mandalorian, though it's like a 6 or 7 out of 10. I don't get how such a mildly enthusiastic review is somehow the final straw that calls for an EFAP.

Maybe Mandalorian Season 2

 

[Cyber Bowling]

The Star Wars prequels were always hated/treated as a punchline, it didn't take RLM or any other internet reviewer to suddenly bring to light that they were bad movies. I don't think it's a stretch to say that, for the first movie at least, the basic plan was "make it close to the original series" not "build it around an old jokey review video from 10 years ago."

Even if they did have the review in mind, I don't think they did a great job following it as blueprints. I admit I haven't watched it in years, but I remember them doing a section on how the prequel characters barely had any traits compared to the original characters. Another common complaint was Anakin being a whiny character. None of the new cast really had any characteristics, even the returning characters felt lifeless, and Kylo definitely comes off as a fairly whiny villain.

 

[New Account]

People were hating the prequels before social media or youtube. The sequels were trash from the beginning. Disney basically created a meaningless stop gap. Episode 6 is called Return of the Jedi, but in episode 7 there are no Jedi. That limits what you can do creatively and if you want an era with a lot of jedi then you will need to skip to the future anyway and ignore the sequels.

 

[Idiotron]

Yeah, a couple of hack frauds from Milwaukee used their hoodoo magic to trick a multimillion dollar corporation into making Star Wars based on their prescriptive criteria.

Those hack frauds made an insanely popular internet video in the early days of social media that basically changed the way movies are analyzed online.
Despite the NOOOO memes, people liked the Prequels till the Plinkett review of Episode I.

Lucas saw it, Disney saw it, everyone did, maybe not all 3 but definitely TPM.
If they're aware of the fucking Fandom Menace, you don't think they're aware of RLM?
Celebs were sharing their videos back in the day.
Rian Johnson wrote on Twitter that he fears their review before TLJ came out.

Perhaps the old fucks like Kathleen Kennedy don't know them but someone younger who worked for her maybe saw the Plinkett stuff and was like: "What about JJ Abrams? He did those Star trek reboots."
They get guests now who are in box office hits, Hollywood is definitely aware.

Realistically, in 2022, if they get a million views on a review and then their nerdy audience tells their friends (and they probably will), that can translate to $20 million in ticket sales.
More than that, they have fanboys among other Youtubers and their review can influence Youtube's opinion of a movie as a whole.

They're very influential, is what I'm saying.

 

[Wünderkind]

Those hack frauds made an insanely popular internet video in the early days of social media that basically changed the way movies are analyzed online.
Despite the NOOOO memes, people liked the Prequels till the Plinkett review of Episode I.

Lucas saw it, Disney saw it, everyone did, maybe not all 3 but definitely TPM.
If they're aware of the fucking Fandom Menace, you don't think they're aware of RLM?
Celebs were sharing their videos back in the day.
Rian Johnson wrote on Twitter that he fears their review before TLJ came out.

Perhaps the old fucks like Kathleen Kennedy don't know them but someone younger who worked for her maybe saw the Plinkett stuff and was like: "What about JJ Abrams? He did those Star trek reboots."
They get guests now who are in box office hits, Hollywood is definitely aware.

Realistically, in 2022, if they get a million views on a review and then their nerdy audience tells their friends (and they probably will), that can translate to $20 million in ticket sales.
More than that, they have fanboys among other Youtubers and their review can influence Youtube's opinion of a movie as a whole.

They're very influential, is what I'm saying.

not at all, parts of ep 1 like jarjar and anakin were so disliked the actors were bullied and had their lives ruined by the autistic fanbase as far back as 1999

see Jake Lloyd who became a weird dropout with a criminal record thanks to Lucas's follies:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/star-wars-actor-jake-lloyd-7735629

 

[Idiotron]

not at all, parts of ep 1 like jarjar and anakin were so disliked the actors were bullied and had their lives ruined by the autistic fanbase as far back as 1999

see Jake Lloyd who became a weird dropout with a criminal record thanks to Lucas's follies:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/star-wars-actor-jake-lloyd-7735629

With regards to the Jar Jar actor, I remember a huge chunk of the hate back then was because black people claimed it was a racist caricature, similar to the nigga robots in Transformers 2.
Jake Lloyd... I think he was a child and overreacted to the trolling, he also seemed to be genuinely mentally ill.
They should have started with a teenage Anakin.

 

[LionoRaptor]

EFAP doesn't realise that the boys just watched Picard S1 & S2 so compared to that Kenobi is good.