Neuralink and Jobs - Will this shit actually be useful?

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What jobs would actually see an increase in productivity from allowing employees to directly interface their brains with computers, rather than just automating the job altogether?

I was asked this earlier today, and I'm honestly kind of stumped. The only job I can think of would be online or over the phone customer service/tech support, and only then because people prefer to talk to a human than deal with an automated system. The more I think of it, the more it seems that the few jobs that can't be automated won't benefit from being able to plug your head into a computer.

To help, think about your own job. Would it really be better off if the average employee that works in your career could jack in to the raw datastream, or would it be better to just automate it and keep humans out of the loop entirely?
 
Basically any work that has a huge time wastage going through apps and navigating interfaces can (supposedly) have a huge increase by the user being able to do things by thought rather than a keyboard and mouse.

I say supposedly because people still use incredibly dated software that will take years to be able to be used fluidly in a neural interface.
 
any job where people use computers at all will benefit from faster and more efficient human/computer interfacing.

full automation is a big meme. a fuckton of jobs exist that are way too irregular and unpredictable for robotic automation - but many of them are still related to computer use in some way, so neuralink could potentially improve them.
 
lol no
stop falling for Musk's overhyped garbage
That's what I'm saying, I don't see an actual use for this thing. It seems more like a solution looking for a problem. At best it's a temporary stopgap while the employer pays for someone to research how to take humans out of the loop.
full automation is a big meme. a fuckton of jobs exist that are way too irregular and unpredictable for robotic automation
I'm not certain that's true, because that's what people said about self-driving cars.

Can you name any specific jobs that would be better served with neuralink than with automation?
 
Outside the military I don't see any utility.
We are talking about a technology that have yet prove itself and must be widely accepted (caugh caugh google glasse.. and those weren't even invasive)
 
I think it'll speed up police and court procedures for sure.
Even if we don't start seeing laws on "acceptable thoughts", "failure to disclose thoughts" will definitely be a big blow in court.
This isn't me talking about Neuralink specifically, just mind interfacing technology in general.
 
That's what I'm saying, I don't see an actual use for this thing. It seems more like a solution looking for a problem. At best it's a temporary stopgap while the employer pays for someone to research how to take humans out of the loop.
Neuralink is just another human interface device like VR or AR. The same thing will happen. It's too cumbersome, there isn't enough support in the world for it, and it doesn't actually improve anything. It just gives a different way to interface.
I'm not certain that's true, because that's what people said about self-driving cars.
We still don't have self driving cars. I mean, we have cars that can move forward and backward and navigate a consistent physical space with accuracy and precision, but it can't drive worth shit. Tesla's FSD Beta has countless issues that haven't been resolved even after their software was trained to drive on  billions of roads via simulation. Other true self driving cars are covered in LiDAR, radar, photo, and audio sensors and still require a human to be present for troubleshooting. Self driving cars are still just a pipe dream.
Can you name any specific jobs that would be better served with neuralink than with automation?
Neuralink and automation are not mutually exclusive. Jobs that can be filled by neuralink would implicitly require a human to be present, meaning an automaton anything short of human intelligence would not qualify.
 
Brain-computer interfaces are all kinds of horrifying for numerous reasons.

The normalization of brain surveillance would create a new category of data for corporations to collect and use unscrupulously. It would eliminate any pretense of privacy.

Any device capable of translating your inner monologue into text would also be capable of reading your mind, including your intrusive thoughts. Have you ever stood on a high ledge and heard a little voice in the back of your head saying jump? What about when you've ridden in a car with the window rolled down and wondered what would happen if you tossed your smartphone out onto the highway at sixty miles an hour? How about when you walk past a black woman and that little devil on your shoulder goes "Filthy, fat, hairy nigger!" but your face cocks a disingenuous, faux-courteous smile. Now, all of that can be shared with everyone, with no filter at all. And, of course, since everyone experiences intrusive thoughts at one point or another in their lives, any system that gathers people's internal experiences to try and predict future criminality will categorize all humans who are implanted with these devices as "latently criminal".

Furthermore, any BCI capable of treating depression or other personality disorders is also capable of manipulating mood in a context-sensitive way, to make you feel good or bad about specific things at specific times. I must stress, this is already something that can be done with primitive DBS electrodes.



The ability to give anyone, anywhere, euphoria or anxiety about anything, at any time, is a tyrant's wet dream come true. You could make someone experience utter bliss at living in a favela and eating crickets, or make them boo outsider political candidates without even realizing why.



This is really, really dangerous stuff. There aren't any regulations in place to prevent BCIs from being used unethically for mass social control, because the technology is so hypothetical to begin with.

Neuralink is an impossible fantasy. It will never happen.


Neuralink is already in the process of being completely outdone by DARPA. They want to do something like Neuralink, but without surgery, and with much higher resolution, using nanoparticles that cross the blood-brain barrier and are energized wirelessly using near-field resonant coupling, far-field RF, light, and/or ultrasound.



There are six teams working on this at Battelle, Rice, Johns Hopkins, Carnegie Mellon, PARC, and Teledyne. The military want a device you wear like a helmet that interfaces with these things, supposedly allowing troops to have video feeds piped from drones and directly into their heads, among other things.

If you actually could do that, then you would also necessarily have enough fine control over neurons to affect mood. It would be trivial, at that point, to have soldiers slaughter civilians, even those of their own nation, without being inclined to defect or desert at all. BCIs implanted in the heads of soldiers would make it trivially easy for the ruling class to dehumanize any target population of choice, in fact.


The title of the Black Mirror episode Men Against Fire is actually based on the book by Brigadier General Samuel Lyman Atwood Marshall, which stated that no more than one in four soldiers actually fired their weapons while in contact with the enemy during WWII. Many soldiers, when faced with the decision to shoot directly at another human being, will instead aim high, not wanting the guilt of another person's death on their conscience.

Imagine if you had the ability to tweak soldiers' minds so that 100% of them fired their weapons directly at the target, not feeling anything at all except absolute, unrestrained hostility.

These cunts researching BCIs are casually opening Pandora's Box right in front of us. Instead of being rightly horrified, people who don't understand the full implications of the tech are cheering it on, believing that Elon Musk will make their waifus real and will allow all of us to Sword Art Online FullDive and fuck them with our virtual dicks.

Our jobs will be the least of our concerns if this technology becomes commonplace.
 
Can you name any specific jobs that would be better served with neuralink than with automation?
everything that isn't a pure office job.
also, automation for physical jobs is really good at tasks that are predictable, repetitive, and take place in a controlled environment, but pretty worthless for everything else.
having a factory "staffed" by specialized robots that assemble things on conveyor belts is great, but having some kind of robot move out to job sites and do on site work there isn't really feasible (let alone profitable) with current technology.
 
A few hundred years into the future maybe we have at best a kind of world like the one Greg Bear creates in ‘Eon’. They have total interfaces and live in a post scarcity society. They also have a section of humanity who reject all the trans human stuff. He envisages people being able to live forever in city memory and able to split off parts of themselves as ‘ghosts’ to deal with routine dull stuff. It’s an interesting world build. Imagine being a doctor with the diagnostic ability of an advanced AI plus human intuition and experience plus instant access to every database, drug interaction etc.
Best case is that - being able to merge your human pattern recognition with a massive knowledge base. But that’s a long way away
Right now, I suppose the first thing is repairing nerve transmission pathways for people with serious issues. Then we all get enslaved, controlled, advertised to and soma’d to death. Mass emotional control already exists through media - remember people suddenly parroting ‘safe and effective’ and ‘flatten the curve’ ? You can already implant opinions, verbal lines, linked opinion/emotion sets in people through media and social feedback alone. Imagine what direct brain stimulation would do for training
 
I don't think it'll ever work, I also don't think we're going to Mars, conducting asteroid mining or building a Dyson Sphere either.

I work in tech support. All day I take calls were people's software breaks because the developers got too creative and forgot something simple, or the end user is too dumb to know how to clear their own browser cache, despite being shown multiple times. Sometimes it's a combination of the two.

As a species we aren't doing any of these crazy things until we can learn how to make the software which powers it to work more reliably. And the same kinds of fucking assholes who design the software I support at work are working in other companies designing software badly there too. It's like someone else said, they're people with a solution in search of a problem and do not give a rat's ass about the end user experience.

Until that paradigm changes we're about as advanced as we're going to get. I don't see Musk driving that kind of change either, and any product like neuralink put out by him is going to cause massive amounts of harm.
 
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What jobs would actually see an increase in productivity from allowing employees to directly interface their brains with computers, rather than just automating the job altogether?
Many, people and computers beat both computers and humans separately. That is the whole point of a calculator, but I am not arguing that a calculator could do my job. Humans need augmentations to their thinking often because evolution cannot keep pace with civilization. However that does not mean most tools are better than the wielder, automation is just such a tool even if it gets much larger than the man using it. Even if the Capitalist is without employees, running a factory with such tools themselves.

However many tasks require an automation of a finite task within a larger job which never repeats the same again, like typing specific keys on a calculator or a typewriter. Word-processors exist where photocopiers wouldn't work because a document is novel and must be made from scratch. For those tasks, a more specific tool used by a human like I am using a keyboard right now is best. Possibly, work choice and math could be useful as a neural-link but probably the internet and google suffice that the cost is unreasonable for a possible benefit which might too be not even present. The monkeys killed themselves when implanted for a reason.

Would it really be better off if the average employee that works in your career could jack in to the raw datastream, or would it be better to just automate it and keep humans out of the loop entirely?
Some jobs are just repetitive without fears of situations arising where the repetition must be stopped and another task pursued in order to return to the state where the repetition is the best financial outcome for the company hiring you. Some jobs have too many of these to put a human in charge of a series of robots and automation, some jobs are largely solved by this arrangement.

Its just another industrialization which doesn't work everywhere it is promised to work, but if the humans neural-linked don't kill themselves in the horror and pain of their existence then it might become common.

If strapped to a patient's head and upper back, a device like a nerve stapler could extrude hair-fine probes into his brain and spinal column. A psychotherapist could then use the device to inflict extreme sensations (not necessarily pain) on the patient, subjecting him to a rapid course of psychological conditioning. Unless possessed of exceptional will, the subject would usually succumb and become a calm and loyal member of society. Nerve induction could be used in more technologically advanced societies to great moral horror and civil order.

Imagine if the ability to maintain a distinct self-image was significantly decreased in the patient, and the patient had a horrifyingly difficulty time placing their own interests ahead of those of the group. Nerve-stapled citizens would be also emotionally detached, unable to feel anger or other strong emotions. Unfortunately, that would come at the cost of much of their creative intelligence, and they would only be able to perform well at tasks that were thoroughly familiar to them. Imagine such a horrifying future, kaczynski couldn't because he was weak. You don't have to be.

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