Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

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Edit: I literally can't talk about what I experienced in my last career anywhere but here. I've been told I'm hateful by therapists, too dark by friends, and a bigot anywhere else on the internet. I've been able to vent the horror I feel over it here and feel like somewhere, there are other humans who are tired of all this crazy suffering. Sorry for the sperg but I do appreciate you, crazy asshats of Kiwi Farms.
I've started to think this is actually the rhetorical gold standard that might be able to undermine the entire thing in more rational circles. Okay, all the gender studies and cult stuff is completely stupid. Fine, they will never be women/men. Yes, the butchery is clear fail states. Of course, many seem to be porn and anime obsessed and want to live that as reality. But taking them at their word that they're suffering from something, possibly a mental illness known as "gender dysphoria", but we want to accomplish what's best for them rather than something that at best will do nothing and at worst might make things worse. I'm not sure yet how that would be framed as genocidal. (I'll get back to you.)

The gender affirming care zero tolerance is just the politician's syllogism: we must do something -> this is something -> we must do this. It's also a fallacy known as, funny enough, affirming the consequent.
 
I've started to think this is actually the rhetorical gold standard that might be able to undermine the entire thing in more rational circles. Okay, all the gender studies and cult stuff is completely stupid. Fine, they will never be women/men. Yes, the butchery is clear fail states. Of course, many seem to be porn and anime obsessed and want to live that as reality. But taking them at their word that they're suffering from something, possibly a mental illness known as "gender dysphoria", but we want to accomplish what's best for them rather than something that at best will do nothing and at worst might make things worse. I'm not sure yet how that would be framed as genocidal. (I'll get back to you.)

The gender affirming care zero tolerance is just the politician's syllogism: we must do something -> this is something -> we must do this. It's also a fallacy known as, funny enough, affirming the consequent.
It still blows my mind how unscientific most politics, medicine and governance is. There's just zero concept of systems thinking, root cause analysis or data-driven problem solving. This troon shit would never stand, if it were.

I'm still wondering how the fuck blue states' Medicaid affords the procedures AND all the subsequent medications and complications. The whole concept of Medicaid for younger people is that they get well and pay back into the system. If they are crippled from the care they receive, then what?

Your idea that it's a "do something, this is something" kind of reaction makes a lot of sense of why this shit exists from where I'm standing, but in general, this shit existing still makes no sense at all. Also thank you for teaching me something today!
 
u/logxanx is a new person on my watchlist.
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This will be there 3rd stricture repair attempt. It's been almost a year since her initial phalloplasty. :/
Did she have any other complications?
View attachment 3416754 This was before the 1st attempt at repairing the stricture.
Anyway here's her gross body in full view
Also, that top surgery is really bad. Why did the surgeon put her nips so low?
I think she has damage to her breast tissue from binding. Looking at the full body picture, I can see where there might be mastectomy scars but her nipples look untouched. Leads me to believe she hasn’t actually gotten the top chop. Could be wrong.
 
I think she has damage to her breast tissue from binding. Looking at the full body picture, I can see where there might be mastectomy scars but her nipples look untouched. Leads me to believe she hasn’t actually gotten the top chop. Could be wrong.
Looks like there are scars and it's kinda deflated- might be one of those vaunted "keyhole" procedures. But a lot of these surgeons appear to make shit up on the fly and not follow standardized procedures like surgeons do for other kinds of operations so who knows.

I love how she thinks that her blown veins prove how strong the antibiotics were, like they are some kind of superhero that just walks through walls. More likely she just moved around too much while the meds were running.
 
I think she has damage to her breast tissue from binding. Looking at the full body picture, I can see where there might be mastectomy scars but her nipples look untouched. Leads me to believe she hasn’t actually gotten the top chop. Could be wrong.
You might be right. I looked through her account and no mention of top surgery.
 
Because the people who perform these don't give a single shit.
Counterpoint: They do care very much. Not so much about the patients, but about having a steady stream of high income procedures.

They’re also in the fortunate position of doing surgeries where 40-50% complications or failures are the norm, so not only don’t they have to worry about a satisfying outcome… It’s also extra $$ because revisions aren’t free you know!

It still blows my mind how unscientific most politics, medicine and governance is. There's just zero concept of systems thinking, root cause analysis or data-driven problem solving. This troon shit would never stand, if it were.
Troons have succeeded in pioneering a new kind of medicine. Faith/hope based medical practicing rather than evidence based medicine.

The dude coming in for a bypass has a reasonable expectations of success. The troon? He’s more than happy to convince himself that your half botched job is awesome and as close to the real thing as you can get.

And if things don’t go right? Most of the time the patient won’t die, but is ready and willing to be billed some more for a “revision” that he hopes hard will be a success.
I'm still wondering how the fuck blue states' Medicaid affords the procedures AND all the subsequent medications and complications. The whole concept of Medicaid for younger people is that they get well and pay back into the system. If they are crippled from the care they receive, then what?
Funny how troons bitch about the paradise of socialized healthcare in other countries, and never realize they’re living in the best place possible for their nonsense in the US.

In European countries, the waitlist is years long. Not because troonery isnt as asvanced as in America, but because a public system is much less likely to tolerate faggots running up a six figure bill because they feel bad when they touch their wiener.

Insurance companies will just shrug and pass on the bill to their consumers.

In a socialized system, the same fixed amount of money need to cover grandpa’s bypass, dad’s back surgery, Jr’s Prozac and the Troon’s desire to turn his penis inside out.

It’s a simple question of math: “How many lifesaving surgeries can we get for the same amount we’re paying for this dude’s fetish? What’s the failure rate? HOW HIGH?! Ok, set aside 30 spots for troon nonsense. Everyone else goes on the waiting list ‘“
 
Counterpoint: They do care very much. Not so much about the patients, but about having a steady stream of high income procedures.

They’re also in the fortunate position of doing surgeries where 40-50% complications or failures are the norm, so not only don’t they have to worry about a satisfying outcome… It’s also extra $$ because revisions aren’t free you know!


Troons have succeeded in pioneering a new kind of medicine. Faith/hope based medical practicing rather than evidence based medicine.

The dude coming in for a bypass has a reasonable expectations of success. The troon? He’s more than happy to convince himself that your half botched job is awesome and as close to the real thing as you can get.

And if things don’t go right? Most of the time the patient won’t die, but is ready and willing to be billed some more for a “revision” that he hopes hard will be a success.

Funny how troons bitch about the paradise of socialized healthcare in other countries, and never realize they’re living in the best place possible for their nonsense in the US.

In European countries, the waitlist is years long. Not because troonery isnt as asvanced as in America, but because a public system is much less likely to tolerate faggots running up a six figure bill because they feel bad when they touch their wiener.

Insurance companies will just shrug and pass on the bill to their consumers.

In a socialized system, the same fixed amount of money need to cover grandpa’s bypass, dad’s back surgery, Jr’s Prozac and the Troon’s desire to turn his penis inside out.

It’s a simple question of math: “How many lifesaving surgeries can we get for the same amount we’re paying for this dude’s fetish? What’s the failure rate? HOW HIGH?! Ok, set aside 30 spots for troon nonsense. Everyone else goes on the waiting list ‘“
How is it acceptable to charge for revisions from the same surgeon? If you purchase a new vehicle, or computer, and it doesn't work perfectly, the company replaces it free of charge. Is there no legally defined expectation with plastic surgery? If they aren't able to execute what they sold you, aren't they responsible for that? They told that one girl she was going to have "a PERFECT penis". That's a promise he made to his customer, to deliver a "perfect" product. How on earth is the patient on the hook for costs to repair whatever it is the surgeon failed to deliver? Is this the same principle for actual medicine? If your transplant rejects, through no fault of your own, do you have to pay to try again? If your implanted device malfunctions prematurely, are you responsible for that?
 
The morbid curiosity in me wonders about how trannys will age. If you are already having UTIs in your 30s, what will you look like in your 50s, 60 or 70s? I wonder if trans geriatric specialists will become a thing. Will phalloplasty patients suffer from penile implant erosion later on? Will troons be breaking hips at 50 due to bone density loss?
A lot of the female Russian Olympians in the 70s and 80s who were using testosterone and other performance enhacing drugs were dying of related health problems in their thirties.
 
I'm still wondering how the fuck blue states' Medicaid affords the procedures AND all the subsequent medications and complications.
That's the secret, they don't. You'll be paying off their Section 8, their Disability pension, their SNAP card, their Medicaid/Medicare bills, their everything until the day you die. Just be glad that when they buy cigarettes and flavoured milk 2% of your money goes back to the state government.
Funny how troons bitch about the paradise of socialized healthcare in other countries, and never realize they’re living in the best place possible for their nonsense in the US.

In European countries, the waitlist is years long. Not because troonery isnt as asvanced as in America, but because a public system is much less likely to tolerate faggots running up a six figure bill because they feel bad when they touch their wiener.

It’s a simple question of math: “How many lifesaving surgeries can we get for the same amount we’re paying for this dude’s fetish? What’s the failure rate? HOW HIGH?! Ok, set aside 30 spots for troon nonsense. Everyone else goes on the waiting list ‘“
This is the answer for a lot of issues that are seemingly extreme in the US and only slightly off in Europe. Europeans portray the US as some hyper-capitalist freak show where you either have a million dollars or starve, but the truth is that the Federal (not even State) government spends over a trillion dollars per year on healthcare and welfare alone. You can get student loans in the US for any degree you want without issue, in Germany you either pay for the Gender Studies course or you prove you are one of the top students in engineering/medicine/economics/computing/science/etc. By dint of the US being a giant cash cow able throw money at everything without a sweat, it becomes very easy to create programs with no efficacy, no end goal, and (most importantly) no money hole too deep. It gets even worse when you realise that the trillions spent by the Fed is supplemented by the billions spent by state governments on this shit. For every family of seven living off the government's teat, there's a crack head in California walking in to get their tax-payer funded castrati operation.
How is it acceptable to charge for revisions from the same surgeon? If you purchase a new vehicle, or computer, and it doesn't work perfectly, the company replaces it free of charge. Is there no legally defined expectation with plastic surgery? If they aren't able to execute what they sold you, aren't they responsible for that? They told that one girl she was going to have "a PERFECT penis". That's a promise he made to his customer, to deliver a "perfect" product. How on earth is the patient on the hook for costs to repair whatever it is the surgeon failed to deliver? Is this the same principle for actual medicine? If your transplant rejects, through no fault of your own, do you have to pay to try again? If your implanted device malfunctions prematurely, are you responsible for that?
These surgeries are not standardised. There is no legal expectation, there is no medical board standard for them, there is nothing but experimental procedures. The patients undergoing these butcheries provide "informed" consent and the surgeons are basically off the hook from that point. This doesn't mean there is no possibility for action, but if you take a Doctor to court for an obvious botch job you will not be successful because of the element of informed consent and the experimental nature meaning these results were expected, if not hoped for. This is probably the single largest reason people here are so fucking disgusted by the procedures, especially when forced on children; no one here truly believes that even a plurality of the patients who get these performed on them are actually totally aware of or understand the risks, requirements, future care, possible complications, etc. Even just Googling questions about issues of HRT or SRS will give dozens of results about how it is totally reversible, has zero issues, etc, when all clinical trials have shown massive issues, especially for children. Canada has made it illegal for Doctors and psychologists to provide anything but affirming care, meaning you can be sent to jail for trying to figure out if a patient is actually transgender. Informed consent for these procedures simply does not exist, and yet that's how everyone documented in this thread gets butchered.

If a transplant rejects, that is something you have to pay for, yes, it is an unfortunate aspect of the procedure that was expected to occur with some likelihood. If some routine medical device failed before specifications allowed, you'd probably be able to get the manufacturer or physician to replace it at their cost (plus applicable damages), depending on who is liable according to local laws.
 
A lot of the female Russian Olympians in the 70s and 80s who were using testosterone and other performance enhacing drugs were dying of related health problems in their thirties.
If only Russia wasn't so LGBTQIA2S+-phobic and had affirmed them. (:_(

It still blows my mind how unscientific most politics, medicine and governance is. There's just zero concept of systems thinking, root cause analysis or data-driven problem solving. This troon shit would never stand, if it were.
I think a lot of people don't really think skepticism has to be a habit and in a related way aren't really skeptical about the limits of what they know about something. If you outsource your knowledge to "people who know" you're assuming they're being skeptical enough about it and just adopting what they say as the truth isn't making sure that someone was. This doesn't mean you need to check everyone's work or forego ways to shorthand things but the process to knowledge can be a pretty important thing.

It's a similar thing to the Gell-Man Amnesia concept, most people wouldn't just take their car to any random dude who sets out a shingle and they'd avoid even a credentialed business with bad reviews but they'll seemingly listen to any idiot who has some theory about how the entire global economy should be structured and tell other people how he's got the whole thing figured out. (And many people seem to be willing to help him enact his theory on everyone else.)
 
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Funny how troons bitch about the paradise of socialized healthcare in other countries, and never realize they’re living in the best place possible for their nonsense in the US.

In European countries, the waitlist is years long. Not because troonery isnt as asvanced as in America, but because a public system is much less likely to tolerate faggots running up a six figure bill because they feel bad when they touch their wiener.
What's even funnier is that it's the countries that has socialized healthcare that is putting in the breaks - Sweden, Finland, Denmark etc. are all in the process of either stopping or stopped giving puberty blockers to children. Which makes sense - if you have to justify tax payers paying for expensive treatments, then you better see results. And all the results of these experiments points towards failure and shock horror it doesn't particularly help their mental health, in fact, in a lot of cases it makes it worse.

If anything, the lobbying from big pharma in the US will keep kids on hormones for years to come while countries with socialized health care become increasingly TERF'd since they're not driven by the same capitalist logic.
 
Also, that top surgery is really bad. Why did the surgeon put her nips so low?
It is probably in a ok'ish position, her terrible posture is making it look worse. She probably had to keep a hunch to avoid stretching the cuts during mastectomy recovery and never bothered to correct it after healing.

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Looking at the full body picture, I can see where there might be mastectomy scars but her nipples look untouched. Leads me to believe she hasn’t actually gotten the top chop. Could be wrong.

There is a strange pull in the skin and indentation in fat bellow her arms that look like faint surgery scars to me. If it really is I give her kudos for decent care.
 
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I think she has damage to her breast tissue from binding. Looking at the full body picture, I can see where there might be mastectomy scars but her nipples look untouched. Leads me to believe she hasn’t actually gotten the top chop. Could be wrong.
I can see breast cancer rates going though the roof due to binding, it can't be healthy.

How is it acceptable to charge for revisions from the same surgeon? If you purchase a new vehicle, or computer, and it doesn't work perfectly, the company replaces it free of charge. Is there no legally defined expectation with plastic surgery? If they aren't able to execute what they sold you, aren't they responsible for that? They told that one girl she was going to have "a PERFECT penis". That's a promise he made to his customer, to deliver a "perfect" product. How on earth is the patient on the hook for costs to repair whatever it is the surgeon failed to deliver? Is this the same principle for actual medicine? If your transplant rejects, through no fault of your own, do you have to pay to try again? If your implanted device malfunctions prematurely, are you responsible for that?
I think these troons will have signed something watertight without reading it, it probably states that the fake doctor has no liability whatsoever and no responsibility to fix problems.
 
Education sperging: Most European countries have some kind of system in place that ensures that kids can’t just study basket weaving for four years.

For example. In some Scandinavian countries university is free AND you get paid for studying. Sounds great, right? Except, you can just study whatever the fuck you want. Let’s say that the demand for anthropologists is so low, that there’s only 50 spots available. Well, the. You have to be in the top 50 of GPA of the applicants if you want a spot.

Other jobs that are in high demand, require a lower GPA since there are more spots available.

(And of course if your GPA isn’t high enough, you’re not getting any university spot.)

It’s a pretty sensible system, but I’d reckon it’d make many people REEEE since they can’t study transgender/WYPIPO oppression for four years.


MEDICAL SPERGING:

A reason why these butchers can get away with so much bullshit, is because of the secretiveness of their “craft”.

Each doctor usually developed his own particular technique, which he jealously guards. (Which is why you hear troons talk about the “Dr. X look” or “Dr. Y manginas”)

Partly because of this and partly because we’re dealing with an unofficial butcher cartel with gentleman agreements, Dr Y often won’t touch Dr X’s work for a revision.

(It’s bad form, plus he’s not likely to know the finer details of how it’s done.)

So if you want a revision, you’re usually stuck with the butcher who did the hack job in the first place.
 
The morbid curiosity in me wonders about how trannys will age. If you are already having UTIs in your 30s, what will you look like in your 50s, 60 or 70s? I wonder if trans geriatric specialists will become a thing. Will phalloplasty patients suffer from penile implant erosion later on? Will troons be breaking hips at 50 due to bone density loss?
There's been issues with the type of implant that's just a weird flexible rod, where the body just flat out rejects it and they work themselves through the flesh and stick out. Or puncture through the flesh when the idiot attempts to use the fleshsock to penetrate another person. Or the neuticles that they had installed get rejected and effectively fall off.

Believe me, it won't take as long as getting to 50.
 
A lot of the female Russian Olympians in the 70s and 80s who were using testosterone and other performance enhacing drugs were dying of related health problems in their thirties.
The East German women's swim team doped in the same way and had a slew of birth defects among their kids.

The verdict in Dr. Kipke's case did not result in compensation for swimmers who gave birth to handicapped children, but Dr. Werner Franke, a German molecular biologist whose research on the subject was the impetus for the first criminal inquiry into doping two years ago, believes there is a link.

"It is clear that the taking of male hormones led to gynecological changes," Dr. Franke said. "One of the changes could have been a shrinking of the uterus, which would have affected the fetus. The fact that many of the birth defects are in first-born children is significant. The longer these women were away from the steroids, the longer their bodies had a chance to start producing female hormones again."
 
How is it acceptable to charge for revisions from the same surgeon? If you purchase a new vehicle, or computer, and it doesn't work perfectly, the company replaces it free of charge. Is there no legally defined expectation with plastic surgery? If they aren't able to execute what they sold you, aren't they responsible for that? They told that one girl she was going to have "a PERFECT penis". That's a promise he made to his customer, to deliver a "perfect" product. How on earth is the patient on the hook for costs to repair whatever it is the surgeon failed to deliver? Is this the same principle for actual medicine? If your transplant rejects, through no fault of your own, do you have to pay to try again? If your implanted device malfunctions prematurely, are you responsible for that?
It happens in plastic surgery. Sometimes if the results are not as desired due to whatever reason, you can go back to the same surgeon for a revision. Plastic surgeons hate it because it can causes bad reviews and scares away business (dunno about troon butchers) but the reason why you would go back is because the surgeon knows whats under the hood because they did the work. Its in the doctors best interests to make the patient happy with the results. Also, revision surgeries can be more expensive than the initial and if you go back to the same surgeon you can usually get a steep discount whereas you would pay though the nose if you went to another one.
 
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It happens in plastic surgery. Sometimes if the results are not as desired due to whatever reason, you can go back to the same surgeon for a revision. Plastic surgeons hate it because it can causes bad reviews and scares away business (dunno about troon butchers) but the reason why you would go back is because the surgeon knows whats under the hood because they did the work. Its in the doctors best interests to make the patient happy with the results. Also, revision surgeries can be more expensive than the initial and if you go back to the same surgeon you can usually get a steep discount whereas you would pay though the nose if you went to another one.
It doesn't work for troons because troons are idiots hellbent on mutilating themselves for the sake of coom.
 
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