What conspiracy theories do you believe in? - Put your tinfoil hats on

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Maybe I'm forgetting what I posted and where, but — and let me explain myself — I believe that Epstein did in fact kill himself. There was still a smaller, but at all points more plausible conspiracy required to facilitate this and he was central to his own criminal conspiracy, of course. I also believe that the amplification of the "Epstein didn't kill himself" meme in relatively mainstream circles was a purposeful part of the wider conspiracy.

Why do I think this. First, he faced the prospect of going from living a billionaire's lifestyle to the rest of his life in jail. Maybe I'm just weak, but if I was in that situation, my number one goal would be figuring out how to end myself. He'd skated once already but there were infinitely more eyes on the case this time.

You may say, at this point, 'but what about [a weird inconsistency that implies he didn't want to kill himself]?' Almost every one of these inconsistencies disappear when you remember that many of the people involved are professionally or legally required to prevent suicides. His attorney says that 'he was in good spirits, totally didn't seem like he wanted to kill himself' because if he did and he admitted he knew, he could face disbarment or possibly even sued by the Epstein estate, which survives after the man himself dies. Similar for jailhouse psychologists. Additionally, if you want to kill yourself in jail, your number one priority would be to make sure as few people as possible know that. It would be much harder if you're on suicide watch. Epstein says he was 'attacked' during his first suicide attempt. I believe that's simply a desperate lie to buy time and space to try again in the near future.

That leaves another question of, basically, "if that's what happened, why was everything so shady?" That's partially explained by the motivations for people to hide that they knew he wanted to do it. The rest of that may come from a 'partial' conspiracy angle. He still had connections and a powerful attorney; they make it really difficult to kill yourself in jail. I believe that the seemingly purposeful obfuscation is indeed a cover up but that it's just covering up subtler steps people took to assist his suicide. For example, perhaps his attorney provided him with something sturdier than the bedsheet. Maybe he used his connections to arrange a missed check or find out which guards are most likely to miss their rounds. Epstein placed a call to who he claimed was his mother in the hours before his death. My belief was that this was to find out when the right time would be.

Now you have a dead peadophile with a belt around his neck discovered by the guards who skipped their last two rounds of the cell block. A person in charge of the jail can then say "you two idiots are fucked, your incompetence and laziness just ruined the trial of the century! You're damn lucky this is a huge headache for me too so I can make this go away for you if you don't tell anyone that you fucked up and let him sneak that belt in!" They're now scared shitless, not being in on the plot, and all that's left is to remove the belt and destroy the tapes of this discovery.

I use the attorney-provided-belt just as an example to illustrate my point. A real, but partially-assisted suicide still requires every suspicious detail to pull off, but requires minimal outside assumptions. Powerful people did indeed prefer him dead, and they may have helped grease the wheels but the assassination plot is just a bit too far. As we saw with the Maxwell case, the "Epstein" crimes were covered under the original non-prosecution agreement and would not have come up in the trial. Go read summaries of the Maxwell case, those girls were all, for lack of a better word, 'personal' Epstein victims. The ones involving a network of powerful people weren't admissible because of the NPA. It would have been the same for Epstein himself.

The "Epstein didn't kill himself" meme has been incredibly successful in boiling down the whole scandal into just whatever happened in the MCU, getting people to ignore everything else.
 
I just question everything around me at this point.
- 9/11 as I perceive it is a scare tactic used to usher in more restrictions and bring in big government and people in 2001 were dumb enough to hand over their rights to the governments under a false promise they would protect them. It was an Inside Job. The planes as I see it look gray and I find no evidence of planes hitting the Pentagon. Also note the amounts of predictive programming's of the event that happened even before the original World Trade Center was built. There was actually a plane that crashed into the Empire State Building and never collapsed.
- Chemtrails exist and are used for weather control.
- The one I was demonized the most was the notion that I believe Adolf Hitler wasn't the genocidal maniac the media portrays them to be and finding no intentions of genocide in the work camps. The only executions in National Socialist Germany were those those who betray the party or commit heinous crimes, those who died in the camp were from unintentional failed attempts to protect the inmates from Typhus and Allied Bombings. Adolf Hitler also had a huge problem with spies. Many people in the Nazi Party were revealed to be Zionists trying to destroy his country from within. Those were the only people in the Nazi Party forgiven by Allies thus are not true National Socialists. Also, Weimar Republic is a shithole. I fear that when I die people would rewrite my biography.
- The Titanic that supposedly sunk wasn't actually the Titanic
- Though I am not a full blown flat earther, I do find many evidences for a flat earth to be convincing.
- Monsanto raped the food supply
- Alex Jones might possibly be a Zionist in disguise.
- UFO's exist, The Government even admit to that.
- Big Pharma is the reason why everyone is suffering and sick.
- I am also convinced that HAARP is also a reality to and will be used for climate scare tactics, seeing how the 1893 Columbus World Expo happened, They would most likely have the technology to do that.
- The New World order is definitely the ideology of these Zionists and they will force it on us.
- I am also convinced that Young Earth Creationism is actual history. Noah's Ark and the Tower of Babel actually happened. In fact, melting glaciers on Earth are the result of ice left over from the flood. The earth still to this day is recovering from the great flood.
- The Bohemian Grove is definitely real.
- Many KKK groups are funded by the government, many former presidents such as Harry S Truman were also part of the KKK. The KKK isn't a solitary group but actually many groups.
- Denver Airport is shaped so oddly and could as well be the portal to hell.
- I also think trees have intelligence and point of view and can think on their own merits and can sense our touch.
- It's possible that Zionists can in fact be aliens.
- There is also several evidences that convince me the moon is a hologram but as for right now I cannot confirm it. There was a YouTuber who was terminated back in 2017 over a video of the moon that happens to have a ripple in it. YouTube went down for a few hours on October 2018 which could very well be because of a video about the moon.
 
I just question everything around me at this point.
Nice takes here, I appreciate the thoughtful discussion. I too question just about everything and I really don't trust our government. However, I disagree with a lot of your points.

One thing you're 100% right about is the government using threats of danger to increase their size and scope, at the expense of our freedoms. Remember when the Democrats were all up in arms about the invasion of privacy Bush brought in with the Patriot act? But then when Obama does the same thing (as revealed by Snowden) they really didn't do anything about it. Neither side cares for our Fourth Amendment rights.

- 9/11 as I perceive it is a scare tactic used to usher in more restrictions and bring in big government and people in 2001 were dumb enough to hand over their rights to the governments under a false promise they would protect them. It was an Inside Job. The planes as I see it look gray and I find no evidence of planes hitting the Pentagon. Also note the amounts of predictive programming's of the event that happened even before the original World Trade Center was built. There was actually a plane that crashed into the Empire State Building and never collapsed.

As for 9/11, I don't think it was an inside job. More like the CIA's incompetence in preventing it, and Bush opportunistically 'never wasting a good crisis' as Hillary Clinton would say. I've jumped pretty deep into the 9/11 rabbit hole and I get why some people think its an inside job, but ultimately there's a lot more that makes sense with the official story than the few oddities. I don't want to get all in detail here but I don't believe this one was an inside job.

The Boeing 767 that hit the WTC were not even comparable to the B-25 that hit the Empire State Building. An empty weight of 181,610 lb vs 19,480 lb. So these aircraft were 9 times heavier, carried several tons more fuel, and had much more cargo and passengers than the B-25 could eve hold. It's no wonder why one made a building fall and the other didn't.
- Chemtrails exist and are used for weather control.
I haven't heard this version of the theory. I'm glad you didn't say something like 'chemtrails are used to dumb down the populace with chemicals that affect brain activity. ' As for controlling weather, I'm not sure what you mean exactly,
- The one I was demonized the most was the notion that I believe Adolf Hitler wasn't the genocidal maniac the media portrays them to be and finding no intentions of genocide in the work camps. The only executions in National Socialist Germany were those those who betray the party or commit heinous crimes, those who died in the camp were from unintentional failed attempts to protect the inmates from Typhus and Allied Bombings. Adolf Hitler also had a huge problem with spies. Many people in the Nazi Party were revealed to be Zionists trying to destroy his country from within. Those were the only people in the Nazi Party forgiven by Allies thus are not true National Socialists. Also, Weimar Republic is a shithole. I fear that when I die people would rewrite my biography.
I dislike the unending dead horse beating of 'Hitler was bad!' and constantly using him as the only example of evil in the world, when in my opinion there are many similarly evil dictators that people are ignorant of, and Stalin, was worse but people on the left seem to like him for some reason. However, there's no doubt Hitler was a genocidal maniac. It's not like some people just happened to die of illnesses at his camps. They flat out threw people into ovens and had gas chambers. This isn't just some allied smear campaign either, there's endless documentation and witness testimony to frequent mass executions via these methods.
- The Titanic that supposedly sunk wasn't actually the Titanic
What? I've never heard this one.
- Though I am not a full blown flat earther, I do find many evidences for a flat earth to be convincing.
Dude, come on you can be better than this. I am irritated at proponents of this theory for giving those questioning the government a bad name. Alex Jones, flat earthers, etc. There's some true conspiracy theories but they get lost amidst the garbage. Do you care to say which evidences you find convincing? My mom went through a phase of believing this and I had to talk her out of it.

One 'evidence' I've heard is questioning how so few people see the earth with their naked eye, and we are all trusting NASA and other entities for our information on space... I just don't buy it though. It's not just the US, many countries have their own space programs. If the US were suppressing some great truth with a grand conspiracy, you'd best believe our adversaries like Russia and China would be blowing the whistle on it to sow dissent. They do that already about other things. You can't make competing countries work together flawlessly on something like this for like 100 years. It's nonsense.
- Monsanto raped the food supply
What is this one about? I'm unfamiliar. However, I do associate Monsanto with GM meddling in our food, which I'm disapproving of. Our bodies weren't meant to process GM products, in particular, the 'dwarf wheat.' While theoretically genetic modification doesn't necessitate a change that's bad for us, it can be bad and go undetected. Such as with the modern iteration of wheat, which is why we have such high incidences of glucose intolerance.
- Alex Jones might possibly be a Zionist in disguise.
Alex Jones is a fucking idiot. My mom believed in him quite strongly for a while and subjected me to a lot of his material from Prison Planet and whatnot. He's occasionally right about something, but the problem is he just gets over the top IRATE about every little story without really researching it. Then when it turns out something he was shouting from the mountain tops about was false, he has already moved on to the next thing and forgot that he ever supported it. He leaves a confusing, disjointed trail of supporting seemingly random, or even conflicting ideas. He's both a patriot and a super skeptic of the government, but he supports Trump, but he's against Republicans in general... Even his own attorney doesn't think anyone should believe him.

Zionist in disguise? I'm not sure exactly what you mean but I doubt he's some kind of an actor or undercover agent. He's been doing his thing since the 90s. That's a long time to be playing a role.

He was actually right about 'them' turning the friggin frogs gay though.
- UFO's exist, The Government even admit to that.
That is 100% true. For years people thought the government suppressed UFO activity to prevent a public panic. Instead when they finally admitted it nobody really reacted. The mainstream media slept on the story, and so a lot of people aren't even aware the government officially acknowledged them. Most of the US believes in UFOs anyway so I think this is incidental.

Just my two cents here, but I don't think UFOs are actually aliens, at least not in the sense of traveling across the galaxy from a distant planet. Page 22-23 of this FBI document provides an interesting explanation.
- Big Pharma is the reason why everyone is suffering and sick.
Yeah that's mostly true. Medical trials are terrible and they have no idea if drugs are going to hurt you in the long run, yet they prescribe people indefinitely on wacko drugs anyway. I think this is more incompetence and petty biases than a long-term plot to keep people sick though.
- I am also convinced that HAARP is also a reality to and will be used for climate scare tactics, seeing how the 1893 Columbus World Expo happened, They would most likely have the technology to do that.
What? 'Reality to'? And what's the World Expo got to do with anything? Are you saying they travel back in time? I don't believe that even the deep state has time travel technology.
- The New World order is definitely the ideology of these Zionists and they will force it on us.
New World Order is happening, but I don't think Israel/Zionists have anything to do with it. Again, like with Alex Jones, I think people cling to the whole Jewish thing too much and lose sight of the real shit going on.
- I am also convinced that Young Earth Creationism is actual history. Noah's Ark and the Tower of Babel actually happened. In fact, melting glaciers on Earth are the result of ice left over from the flood. The earth still to this day is recovering from the great flood.
I believe this as well. A lot of the observed geological phenomenon explained by millions of years, was actually caused by the flood. The layering of the sediment as it is, is similar to how earth mixed with water will settle in such layers. Also they have found petrified trees and other objects going through multiple layers that were supposedly millions of years apart, throwing a wrench in the model.
- The Bohemian Grove is definitely real.
Yes, and its fucking creepy.
- Many KKK groups are funded by the government, many former presidents such as Harry S Truman were also part of the KKK. The KKK isn't a solitary group but actually many groups.
I really don't know much about this one. However, I do know that Klan membership has been in a steep decline over the past 15 years or so.
- Denver Airport is shaped so oddly and could as well be the portal to hell.
...what?
- I also think trees have intelligence and point of view and can think on their own merits and can sense our touch.
...plants lack a brain. I will say that plants are somewhat reactive to their environment in subtle ways. Like people say playing pleasant music can help plants grow versus harsh music 'upsets' them is probably true. But they aren't consciously thinking about it.
- It's possible that Zionists can in fact be aliens.
Dude what?
- There is also several evidences that convince me the moon is a hologram but as for right now I cannot confirm it. There was a YouTuber who was terminated back in 2017 over a video of the moon that happens to have a ripple in it. YouTube went down for a few hours on October 2018 which could very well be because of a video about the moon.
The moon is real. It has existed since back in ancient history. Its been virtually unchanged for millennia. Also do you realize how expensive it would be to project a massive hologram into outer space for the whole world to be on 24/7? It's just nonsense dude. I don't even think it could be possible if they wanted to.

That being said, I do believe Youtube wants to suppress and control the narrative, manipulating what's allowed on their platform. Like how they took down a video from the CDC director who said that COVID is more mild than the flu in children. I can't even find a reliable source for that to link in this post without making a project out of it because Google has made it so difficult to find articles critical of the MSM's handling of COVID.
 
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I believe the moon landing was faked. This is an interesting read about it. The main point that convinced me is NASA’s inability to return despite promises to. They cite issues such as too much radiation and having enough to fuel to get there and back. These supposedly weren’t issues in the 1960s, so why are they issues now? The only explanations are they somehow forgot how to do it or they never went in the first place. Apologies if that was already linked, since this is a common conspiracy.

I also believe Michelle Obama is a man. I don’t want to believe that, but why did Barack keep calling her Michael? Why did an exasperated Joan Rivers tell that reporter that was following her that “everyone knows Michelle is a tranny?” Their children also don’t look anything like them, I don’t believe that Michelle was ever pregnant at minimum, and that she is a man at worst.
 
@Space_Dandy , can't quote you. But regarding 9/11, heard a theory that Donald Rumsfeld (?) announced that pentagon is missing 2.3 trillion Dollars and soon after the part of staff working in Pentagon (budget analysis working on figuring out where the money was) was convinently destroyed. Any thoughts?
Thanks for asking, I haven't heard of this before. Looked into it a little bit and it sounds like they were unable to trace or account for 2.3 trillion worth of transactions, which is a subtle difference from it being flat missing. The DOD has a history of having poor oversight for its spending, which is somewhat shocking for an organization so steeped in bureaucracy and red tape. But there's always loopholes to abuse.

One example of such abuse is a small business owned by twin sisters selling hardware to the DOD, they abused the automated transaction systems in place at the time so egregiously, as to at one point charge thousands of dollars for a single screw. Since the time of Rumsfeld and the sisters incident, oversight has gotten a lot stricter. However, as a consequence, its made the DOD's procurement much less agile and flexible.

Another thing that comes to mind is the black budget, secret projects that even the president isn't (usually) briefed in to. These operate with almost no oversight and can often be a huge waste of time and money, like the time we spent millions trying to use psychics to spy on the Russians. That project went on for over ten years and few people knew about its existence until it was declassified.

I believe the moon landing was faked. This is an interesting read about it. The main point that convinced me is NASA’s inability to return despite promises to. They cite issues such as too much radiation and having enough to fuel to get there and back. These supposedly weren’t issues in the 1960s, so why are they issues now? The only explanations are they somehow forgot how to do it or they never went in the first place. Apologies if that was already linked, since this is a common conspiracy.
Money, my boy.

NASA's budget has been massively slashed since the 1970s. Going to the moon is crazy expensive and not something they could really afford for a long time. I don't think its that radiation protection and fuel loads are insurmountable obstacles, it's just that they raise the cost drastically. Most of NASA's efforts through the 80s and 90s were on the ISS and probes sent out to explore the solar system, then in the 2000s they started getting more interested in Mars surface exploration. In addition, there is always medical, botanical, and technological research going on at the ISS under zero gravity in order to further our technology in a practical way. They can't afford to do it all, so they'd have to pick all of these things or making another trip to the moon.

Just my two cents, I do wish they'd stop talking so much about Mars and bring their focus back to the moon though. This exploration is Mars is supposedly to set up a camp on there at some point and have permanent off-earth settlement right? Why? Mars is a ball of rust basically, its a toxic hellhole. Plans for a habitat on the Martian surface use nothing from the environment and strive to be self-sustaining and fully-enclosed. Why not just do the same thing on the moon where you can visit it in a fraction of the time, cost, and risk? I've never heard a good reason for picking Mars over the moon for a settlement, other than some vague bullshit.
I also believe Michelle Obama is a man. I don’t want to believe that, but why did Barack keep calling her Michael? Why did an exasperated Joan Rivers tell that reporter that was following her that “everyone knows Michelle is a tranny?” Their children also don’t look anything like them, I don’t believe that Michelle was ever pregnant at minimum, and that she is a man at worst.
It could be. I saw an analysis of her bone structure as seen from pictures and it supposedly resembles a man more than a woman. I don't know for sure but it wouldn't be terribly surprising.
 
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Thanks for asking, I haven't heard of this before. Looked into it a little bit and it sounds like they were unable to trace or account for 2.3 trillion worth of transactions, which is a subtle difference from it being flat missing. The DOD has a history of having poor oversight for its spending, which is somewhat shocking for an organization so steeped in bureaucracy and red tape. But there's always loopholes to abuse.

One example of such abuse is a small business owned by twin sisters selling hardware to the DOD, they abused the automated transaction systems in place at the time so egregiously, as to at one point charge thousands of dollars for a single screw. Since the time of Rumsfeld and the sisters incident, oversight has gotten a lot stricter. However, as a consequence, its made the DOD's procurement much less agile and flexible.

Another thing that comes to mind is the black budget, secret projects that even the president isn't (usually) briefed in to. These operate with almost no oversight and can often be a huge waste of time and money, like the time we spent millions trying to use psychics to spy on the Russians. That project went on for over ten years and few people knew about its existence until it was declassified.


Money, my dear boy.

NASA's budget has been massively slashed since the 1970s. Going to the moon is crazy expensive and not something they could really afford for a long time. I don't think its that radiation protection and fuel loads are insurmountable obstacles, it's just that they raise the cost drastically. Most of NASA's efforts through the 80s and 90s were on the ISS and probes sent out to explore the solar system, then in the 2000s they started getting more interested in Mars surface exploration. In addition, there is always medical, botanical, and technological research going on at the ISS under zero gravity in order to further our technology in a practical way. They can't afford to do it all, so they'd have to pick all of these things or making another trip to the moon.

Just my two cents, I do wish they'd stop talking so much about Mars and bring their focus back to the moon though. This exploration is mars is supposedly to set up a camp on there at some point and have permanent off-earth settlement right? Why? Mars is a ball of rust basically, its a toxic hellhole. Plans for a habitat on the Martian surface use nothing from the environment and stive to be self-sustaining enclosed. Why not just do the same thing on the moon where you can visit it in a fraction of the time, cost, and risk? I've never heard a good reason for picking mars over the moon for a settlement, other than some vague bullshit.

It could be. I saw an analysis of her bone structure as seen from pictures and it supposedly resembles a man more than a woman. I don't know for sure but it wouldn't be terribly surprising.
Nah, she's just a black woman they just look like that.
 
Heard about Titanic being switched with its sister ship, which already had a massive damage
A) so it was a massive insurance fraud,
B) a guy who opposed federal reserve was on the ship and needed to be eliminated.
Pick one or choose both, because why not?
Edit: heard about the airport being insane, with weird murals, statues and absolutely no sense in terms of architecture (huge and weird?)

Talking about gov conspiracy, they still haven't released McAfees body.
 
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They flat out threw people into ovens and had gas chambers. This isn't just some allied smear campaign either, there's endless documentation and witness testimony to frequent mass executions via these methods.
You may wish to check your beliefs against evidence as presented in this thread.
As for 9/11, I don't think it was an inside job.
This has been combed over in such great detail over the years that you can find videos demonstrating beyond a shadow of a doubt that this was not a case of sheer incompetence. In fact, I'd wager searching for the term in this very thread would produce a plethora of information on the matter. In the interest of getting the point across as quickly as possible, I'll simply present the following:
I've jumped pretty deep into the 9/11 rabbit hole and I get why some people think its an inside job, but ultimately there's a lot more that makes sense with the official story than the few oddities. I don't want to get all in detail here but I don't believe this one was an inside job.
I would be highly interested to hear your rationale for that one. If the official story were made into a boat, it would sink within minutes of leaving the drydock. I very much doubt that most who would dare to inform themselves independently on the matter would arrive at your conclusion.
imagine being so demoralized
Ignoring the topic itself for a moment, you actually bring up something that I'm not sure anyone has addressed throughout the thread. I can't speak for everyone, obviously, but overall I have personally found the exploration of conspiracy quite freeing. Very much the opposite of demoralizing, in fact.
 
@Space_Dandy
I believe this as well. A lot of the observed geological phenomenon explained by millions of years, was actually caused by the flood. The layering of the sediment as it is, is similar to how earth mixed with water will settle in such layers. Also they have found petrified trees and other objects going through multiple layers that were supposedly millions of years apart, throwing a wrench in the model.
Could these signs of the flood just be from when the glaciers melted after the Ice Age? A lot of cultures around the world had flood myths and were around for the end of the Ice Age, and considering how big the glaciers were, I wouldn't be surprised if the amount of water they produced was enough to look like signs of a flood.

But in general, the Bible isn't a history of the Earth and the age of the planet Creationists came up with is arbitrary at best. Plus they're Bible literalists when the Jews, who wrote the first half, have even said it's an allegory. I would think the people who wrote the half Christianity uses for the Messiah prophesy would know better.
 
The world is secretly controlled by a race of advanced aliens that can barely tolerate humans. In order to keep humankind under the aliens' thumb, they have implanted some of the most influential people on earth with mind-control devices. The aliens watch and study humanity for their own amusement while controlling these chosen few to manipulate and herd the rest of humanity. This is why certain people always seem to be in the right place at the right time, because they've been covertly given guidance by the aliens. This conspiracy theory explains wars, natural disasters, financial crashes, and everything else that has ever gone wrong in history.
 
Very much the opposite of demoralizing, in fact.
You don't know what it means then.
Demoralization,in Yuri Bezmenov's words,is "A mass brainwashing technique that aims to obfuscate your perception of reality". It does this by overloading the individual with useless information to subdue their ability to identify the current threat. Bullshit psyops like flat earth and "moon landing isn't real!1!!" are useless information; spread around in order to hide the actual truth under a muddy veil of retardation.
 
Considering the source is the same bullshit artists making the claims in the first place (NASA), I'd be hard-pressed to trust their images. But let's give it the benefit of the doubt for a moment, shall we? Let's assume we did, in fact, end up on the moon.

Let's walk through some of NASA's own claims for a moment. This is super easy for any normie to check on their own. First, let's start with some official NASA-approved statements:


They admit over, and over, and over, that it's impossible for us to get out of low earth orbit (not even mentioning their hilarious excuses for why we don't "go back" to the moon). Low earth orbit is only 2,000km out, whereas NASA claims the moon is over a hundred times further away than that. If we can't get out of low earth orbit, then how in the shit did we ever get to the moon? Lol?

Here's a bonus breadcrumb for you to follow on your own: check out the distance on the alleged Van Allen Belts. Notice anything odd there? Even using their own retarded lying ways - how in the fuck did astronauts in the 60s (let alone trying it today) freely zoom right through that kind of radiation?

And that's just a couple out of a fucking dizzying amount of evidence to the contrary of their farcical moon landing claims (you should check out the official photographs that were allegedly taken from up there). I'm telling you guys: If you just go exploring this shit on your own, you will ultimately be left wondering how you ever believed their lies in the first place. NASA shot themselves in the proverbial foot to the point where there's no foot left. They bent over backwards so hard that they lodged their head right up their own ass and are choking for air.
 
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