Opinion Perspective: Where have all the good men gone? - Young men who are ready for committed relationships are in short supply compared to women

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It’s a recurring lament we hear from women at the University of Virginia:

Where are the good guys? The guys interested in commitment, and the guys who have drive, ambition and purpose?


This is not to say that such men are entirely absent at U.Va., where we teach and attend school; they are just in short supply relative to the women with a clear focus on their future and interested in a serious relationship.


Take Cece, a rising senior: “The majority of the guys I’ve encountered at U.Va. don’t want to commit to an actual relationship. They haven’t grown up. They want to hook up with girls, but that’s it. Many of my friends and I are frustrated with the lack of maturity our guy friends exemplify. My parents met in college, which was common among their generation, and are about to celebrate their 30th anniversary. Meanwhile, I have one year left at U.Va. and don’t foresee myself dating anyone.”

The relationship frustrations of women like these are rooted in a broader problem: They do not have a ready pool of good young men to date, partly because many of our nation’s young men are floundering as they make the transition from adolescence to young adulthood. This problem is visible in our schools, colleges and universities, and today’s marketplace. Young men are increasingly less likely than women to enroll in college and less likely than women to apply themselves even if they land in college; a growing number of them are also idle or underemployed as they move through their 20s.

Our “young men problem” is rooted in a range of factors — the rise of electronic opiates, which distract young men from education and work and have come to replace traditional avenues of social relations; the absence of models of pro-social masculinity that furnish norms for male engagement in school, work and relationships as they move into adulthood; a culture that discounts commitment; and biological differences in rates of male and female maturation.


But a new report from the Institute for Family Studies, “Life Without Father,” suggests that another issue is in play. Too many boys have grown up in homes without engaged or present fathers, which has left them especially unprepared to navigate school, work and relationships successfully.

Too few good men​


Here at U.Va., one of the signs of the young man problem is that they are, simply, absent from “Grounds,” our word for campus. At our university, women outnumber men 56 to 44. Nationally, it is worse: there are almost 60 women for every 40 men. Across the country, this means that a large minority of heterosexual women cannot find any men to date on their college campuses.


And even when it comes to the men who are in college, female students are often disappointed with the quality of the guys they find, even at the University of Virginia. “Sometimes it is just very frustrating to me when I want to tell a guy I know who is living his life in some sort of unsatisfactory way,” said Isabela, a junior. “I have to hold myself back from being like, ‘What are you doing? The way that you’re living is contributing to your unhappiness.’”


“I would say the qualities of guys I generally come across are not necessarily guys I would date,” said Claire, also a junior. Claire has noticed, at least in the School of Architecture, that “the girls seem to be driven and just focused on academics … a little more serious about it (than guys).”

Tommy, a rising senior, attests that “girls are much more focused and deliberate and sincere about their work than most of the guys that I know.” He sees a kind of “prolonged adolescence” in many of the men at U.Va.

This notion of prolonged adolescence is not simply anecdotal, but a central concern of researchers who study young men. In his book “Guyland”, sociologist Michael Kimmel described it this way:

“In another era, these guys would undoubtedly be poised to take their place in the adult world, taking the first steps toward becoming the nation’s future professional, entrepreneurs and business leaders. They would be engaged to be married, thinking about settling down with a family, preparing for futures as civic leaders and Little League dads. Not today. Today, many of these young men, poised between adolescence and adulthood, are more likely to feel anxious and uncertain. In college, they party hard but are soft on studying. … After graduation, they drift aimlessly from one dead-end job to another, spend more time online playing video games and gambling than they do on dates. …”

These observations are borne out by trends in academic performance and on-time graduation. Women have attained consistently higher GPAs than their male peers, per a study examining the GPAs of students at select Florida and Texas universities which showed average GPAs of 2.67 and 2.85 for men and women respectively. Fewer of the men who attend college end up graduating than women — with 50% of women graduating “on time” compared to just 40% of men, according to a recent report in The Wall Street Journal.

This pattern extends beyond college into the 20-something years. “I would say they’re not as serious about their work as men were several decades ago,” observed Holly, a recent U.Va. graduate. This was one part of her frustration with dating prospects, along with their “lack of relational skills.” In line with her comment, a growing share of young men are out of the labor force. Between 1999 and 2018, the employment rate for young men fell by 10.4 percentage points — almost double that of young women.


Fathers and friends​


Part of this problem is attributable to the shifting character of family life in America. We know that children with absent fathers are less likely to thrive on a variety of measures of academic, professional and social success. Even for those with present fathers, like many here at U.Va., many young men have not been given clear guidance from their dads about how to navigate relationships and develop a clear identity as a man. While today’s fathers are better equipped to help their children navigate school and work, they are less adept when it comes to preparing young men for dating, relationships and marriage.

“These people are ill-fathered,” Tommy observed, “and they don’t have the right moral fiber that would lead them to use that freedom well, so they become idle and complacent, and they don’t really feel challenged, and they feel bored.”

More than anything, this growing body of directionless men indicates that the institutions which used to give shape and meaning to their lives are not as powerful as they once were. Churches, schools and even families are less likely to give clear and compelling guidance to young men as they prepare for adulthood. They’re also competing with influences — from gaming to social media — that push young men away from adulthood and toward prolonged adolescence.


“To me it seems like they’re floundering, but I know there’s more that goes on,” Catherine, a recent graduate, said. “Men are lacking the resources to deal with a lot of other things, and whether they have the strength to reject acting that way probably does come from how they were raised … but what really perpetuates it is their peers, and a society of boys doing the exact same thing.”

The observations of these students are borne out by the new Institute for Family Studies report. Our “young men problem” is especially common among those raised apart from their biological fathers. These young men are disproportionately more likely to flounder in school and less likely to graduate from college. Of those whose fathers were present, 35% graduated from college; this was true for only 14% among young men raised apart from their fathers.


Those with absent fathers were also almost twice as likely to be idle in their 20s.


A considerable 19% of young men with absent fathers are idle in their 20s, neither working or in school, compared to only 11% of those with present fathers. Such men are especially unlikely to be good prospects for dating, mating and marriage for today’s young women.

If we wish to revive the fortunes of today’s young men, we must help fathers teach their sons how to prepare better for adulthood, relationships and marriage. And we must also revive our most fundamental bond, marriage, because it connects men to their sons in a way nothing else does. These steps matter, not just for renewing the fortunes of young men, but also for the sake of the women looking for good partners to love, marry and start families with in the future.

Brad Wilcox is director of the National Marriage Project at the University of Virginia and The Future of Freedom fellow at the Institute for Family Studies. Emma Fuentes is an undergraduate studying English at the University of Virginia. Michael Krieger is a Ph.D. candidate in the Department of Sociology at the University of Virginia.

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After Bonnie Tyler, my second thought was to wonder why these women thought they were worth a good man of the sort they're looking for. They have a mental checklist of everything they demand in a partner - what makes them think those men don't have a similar checklist that they're not measuring up to?

I'm thinking that they'd treat any men with such a thing as a misogynist pig, because only women are allowed to have standards. I'd like to be wrong, but the article only reinforces that opinion, considering it blames men and only men for all of the problems.
 
I want to go spergy about how fucked up the modern age is and how both sexes have been disincentivezed to be good spouses, but is it really harder than it has ever been for anyone?

Any advice other than the old standbys of improve yourself, lowering unreasonable standards, and trying to find joy in the little things feels misinformed.
 
Busy juggling half a dozen thots on tinder you dumbass, that's where they are. Chad doesn't need to get married, you're all slutting it up for dirt cheap and his potential fuck market has increased from whatever town he's living in to half the fucking world.

You can blame feminism, it played its role, but in my opinion its just another problem of our online world. I am old enough to remember that once upon a time, before the dating sites, geography played a large part in determining relationships. Sure the local girl had a butterface, or the local guy was a little chubby, but he was THERE. And he was good enough and you just wanted to get fucked and somewhere along the way you learned to like him/her for their own charms. Now we've got 21st century harems with a dozen girls spreading their legs for the same guy and the incels are chasing some 10/10 in another country that they'll never meet but god damn she's just so hot and maybe if he gives her another grand she'll say hello to him.

Sometimes you've got to settle. The chubby guy is funny and kind and he can provide. The butterface girl is sweet and loving and she'll be a good mother. Take what you can get, fuck an ugly bitch. You're not gonna do any better. The instathot is never going to love you and tinderchad is never going to settle down.
 
what makes them think those men don't have a similar checklist that they're not measuring up to?
Because that would be misogynist of them.
To globohomo gals, you're supposed to fulfill a mile-long list of demands while expecting nothing but cuddles in return.
If you suddenly develop standards that most women will fail to meet, then that just means you hate women and are after a sexual fetish.

And the funny thing is, most attractive or well-built men aren't looking for a blonde model when deciding to settle down.
I mean, some are, but most seem to want a woman who have a head over their shoulders instead of reacting to everything like a 15yo cosmopolitan wannabe, and can offer emotional support and stability for them. A heart of gold can match the biggest arms any day.

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These women also have a longlist of desired traits while only bringing BPD, depression, debt, and the inability to cook
Who the diddly fuck rejects a fit firefighter? Arguably the one field of public service that can claim to be a net positive to society.
This bitch wants a man that doesn't exist, like Lex Luthor.

Edit: lol it's a negress. Lex Luthor is indeed her best bet at ever getting a date with a billionaire olympia-built sex god with a brain to match.
 
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They've got better things to do, evidently, than tolerate some first world ballbuster with a wrecked cooch who, after riding the CC for all of her twenties and most of her thirties, suddenly decides she wants to "settle down", except men hardly spare her a second glance now. Well, tough shit.
 
Men are all fat whining incels or trannies these days. They do nothing but play Vidya and expect a supermodel with a billion dollars to drop into their laps, while doing nothing whatsoever to improve themselves, not even something as simple as take shower. You can tell this is completely true, because if you point it out, the sheet vitriol you are met with is off the scale.
 
The core problem, which has always existed, is the fact that unattractive men do not exist as actual humans in the eyes of women aged 10-99. The primary thing making that core problem such an extreme issue today is the internet which massively distorts what the average woman views as an attractive man.

Even 20-30 years ago you were generally confined to the people around you with regards to dating prospects and even the chaddiest of chads only had time to juggle so many phonecalls and physical hookups. Today that same GigaChad can keep a near infinite amount of plates spinning through the power of dating apps which leads us to the above distortion - once a future My 600lbs Life feral hog gets matched with and God forbid talked to by Chris Evans she's now ruined for life - Chris is now her new baseline for male attractiveness, anyone that falls short is a non-existent subhuman and even if she ends up settling at some point she will forever resent whoever she settles with for not being Chris.

Quite a number of men who are unfit for this new reality are simply making a fair and accurate cost-benefit analysis by deciding to not play games they can't reasonably win.
 
Do what every generation of women has done and lower your fucking standards. Your great-grandma didn't end up with Cary Grant or Clark Gable, she ended up with some schlubby Irish or Polack plumber that could pay the bills and if you were lucky, he didn't slap her around too much after a few cans of Schlitz. You can do the same, there's plenty of eligible guys out there making a decent living in the trades. What, are you too bougie to date a Class B driver or a Journeyman Electrician? Is a Doctor's debt and stress really that much better than settling down with a mechanic or a termite inspector?
 
Maybe making our sons feed from the wire mother instead of the cloth mother was not the wisest decision.
Or possibly this is very specifically playing up that narrative as its an article in a publication with a Mormon lean and has three authors, two of which have male names.

Either way I think its undeniable at this point that the West is having a cultural crisis and will eventually have to face it or succumb to it.
 
It could just be me but it could have something to do with the fact that modern western women who say they want 'commitment' really want to completely erase your masculinity and reinvent you in the image of what globohomo tells them you should be.

In my experience the only women that grew up in the west who aren't like that are all either terfy bulldykes, have gone full blackpill and just want to fuck around until they die without ever getting into a committed relationship or ended up going insane and are now complete lost causes.

TLDR - Date Slavs and Balkan chicks. Or Latinas. Anglo/Teutonic white women and black women are a lost cause in the anglosphere.
There's another option, women without social media. I swear to God it's the biggest fucking green flag and if you can nail down a chick who avoids the internet, DO IT.
 
.Either way I think its undeniable at this point that the West is having a cultural crisis and will eventually have to face it or succumb to it.
The West have been in the cultural crisis since the end of WW2.

There's another option, women without social media. I swear to God it's the biggest fucking green flag and if you can nail down a chick who avoids the internet, DO IT.
Even without social media women have been indoctrinated by publishers and Hollywood for decades they deserved only the most perfect male specimens. And if one displeases her once, she can toss him out and bag another Mr. Perfect. And most recently if she get bored of hushand Mr. Right and her offspring, she can fuck off without penalty i.e. Eat, Pray, Love.
 
Men are all fat whining incels or trannies these days. They do nothing but play Vidya and expect a supermodel with a billion dollars to drop into their laps, while doing nothing whatsoever to improve themselves, not even something as simple as take shower. You can tell this is completely true, because if you point it out, the sheet vitriol you are met with is off the scale.
No. Based on their experiences, many men have largely given up expecting anything from wahmen. Certainly not understanding/empathy.

Apologies for the extreme vitriol.
 
“I would say the qualities of guys I generally come across are not necessarily guys I would date,” said Claire, also a junior. Claire has noticed, at least in the School of Architecture, that “the girls seem to be driven and just focused on academics … a little more serious about it (than guys).”
In ten years Claire will be one of those women who moans, "I have a master's degree and work 70 hours a week to make six figures and own my house, why can't I find anyone who will date me?" Your personal measures of success are not necessarily the things other people find attractive.

Why are these chicks whinging about not finding undergrads to marry, anyway? Historically, men don't get married until 24+. There was a short period after WW2 when the median age dipped a couple years but it never fell to 22. The median age for women getting married has been greater than 22 since 1980. The MRS degree hasn't been a thing for decades.

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So let me get this straight.

Third level attendance and completion by men is falling year on year.

Men's income relative to women in the z cohort post college is on average lower as a direct result.

Men are increasingly directionless and depressed as evidenced in ever increasing depression, suicide and substance abuse.

However.

Women most affected?
 
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