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The Supreme Court has voted to strike down the landmark Roe v. Wade decision, according to an initial draft majority opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito circulated inside the court and obtained by POLITICO.
The draft opinion is a full-throated, unflinching repudiation of the 1973 decision which guaranteed federal constitutional protections of abortion rights and a subsequent 1992 decision – Planned Parenthood v. Casey – that largely maintained the right. “Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” Alito writes.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled,” he writes in the document, labeled as the “Opinion of the Court.” “It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.”


Deliberations on controversial cases have in the past been fluid. Justices can and sometimes do change their votes as draft opinions circulate and major decisions can be subject to multiple drafts and vote-trading, sometimes until just days before a decision is unveiled. The court’s holding will not be final until it is published, likely in the next two months.
The immediate impact of the ruling as drafted in February would be to end a half-century guarantee of federal constitutional protection of abortion rights and allow each state to decide whether to restrict or ban abortion. It’s unclear if there have been subsequent changes to the draft.
No draft decision in the modern history of the court has been disclosed publicly while a case was still pending. The unprecedented revelation is bound to intensify the debate over what was already the most controversial case on the docket this term.
The draft opinion offers an extraordinary window into the justices’ deliberations in one of the most consequential cases before the court in the last five decades. Some court-watchers predicted that the conservative majority would slice away at abortion rights without flatly overturning a 49-year-old precedent. The draft shows that the court is looking to reject Roe’s logic and legal protections.
Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences. And far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe and Casey have enflamed debate and deepened division.”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
A person familiar with the court’s deliberations said that four of the other Republican-appointed justices – Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett – had voted with Alito in the conference held among the justices after hearing oral arguments in December, and that line-up remains unchanged as of this week.


The three Democratic-appointed justices – Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan – are working on one or more dissents, according to the person. How Chief Justice John Roberts will ultimately vote, and whether he will join an already written opinion or draft his own, is unclear.
The document, labeled as a first draft of the majority opinion, includes a notation that it was circulated among the justices on Feb. 10. If the Alito draft is adopted, it would rule in favor of Mississippi in the closely watched case over that state’s attempt to ban most abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy.
A Supreme Court spokesperson declined to comment or make another representative of the court available to answer questions about the draft document.
POLITICO received a copy of the draft opinion from a person familiar with the court’s proceedings in the Mississippi case along with other details supporting the authenticity of the document. The draft opinion runs 98 pages, including a 31-page appendix of historical state abortion laws. The document is replete with citations to previous court decisions, books and other authorities, and includes 118 footnotes. The appearances and timing of this draft are consistent with court practice.
The disclosure of Alito’s draft majority opinion – a rare breach of Supreme Court secrecy and tradition around its deliberations – comes as all sides in the abortion debate are girding for the ruling. Speculation about the looming decision has been intense since the December oral arguments indicated a majority was inclined to support the Mississippi law.
Under longstanding court procedures, justices hold preliminary votes on cases shortly after argument and assign a member of the majority to write a draft of the court’s opinion. The draft is often amended in consultation with other justices, and in some cases the justices change their votes altogether, creating the possibility that the current alignment on Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization could change.
The chief justice typically assigns majority opinions when he is in the majority. When he is not, that decision is typically made by the most senior justice in the majority.

‘Exceptionally weak’​

A George W. Bush appointee who joined the court in 2006, Alito argues that the 1973 abortion rights ruling was an ill-conceived and deeply flawed decision that invented a right mentioned nowhere in the Constitution and unwisely sought to wrench the contentious issue away from the political branches of government.
Alito’s draft ruling would overturn a decision by the New Orleans-based 5th Circuit Court of Appeals that found the Mississippi law ran afoul of Supreme Court precedent by seeking to effectively ban abortions before viability.

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Roe’s “survey of history ranged from the constitutionally irrelevant to the plainly incorrect,” Alito continues, adding that its reasoning was “exceptionally weak,” and that the original decision has had “damaging consequences.”
“The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and traditions,” Alito writes.
Alito approvingly quotes a broad range of critics of the Roe decision. He also points to liberal icons such as the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe, who at certain points in their careers took issue with the reasoning in Roe or its impact on the political process.
Alito’s skewering of Roe and the endorsement of at least four other justices for that unsparing critique is also a measure of the court’s rightward turn in recent decades. Roe was decided 7-2 in 1973, with five Republican appointees joining two justices nominated by Democratic presidents.
The overturning of Roe would almost immediately lead to stricter limits on abortion access in large swaths of the South and Midwest, with about half of the states set to immediately impose broad abortion bans. Any state could still legally allow the procedure.
“The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion,” the draft concludes. “Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. We now overrule those decisions and return that authority to the people and their elected representatives.”
The draft contains the type of caustic rhetorical flourishes Alito is known for and that has caused Roberts, his fellow Bush appointee, some discomfort in the past.
At times, Alito’s draft opinion takes an almost mocking tone as it skewers the majority opinion in Roe, written by Justice Harry Blackmun, a Richard Nixon appointee who died in 1999.
Roe expressed the ‘feel[ing]’ that the Fourteenth Amendment was the provision that did the work, but its message seemed to be that the abortion right could be found somewhere in the Constitution and that specifying its exact location was not of paramount importance,” Alito writes.
Alito declares that one of the central tenets of Roe, the “viability” distinction between fetuses not capable of living outside the womb and those which can, “makes no sense.”
In several passages, he describes doctors and nurses who terminate pregnancies as “abortionists.”
When Roberts voted with liberal jurists in 2020 to block a Louisiana law imposing heavier regulations on abortion clinics, his solo concurrence used the more neutral term “abortion providers.” In contrast, Justice Clarence Thomas used the word “abortionist” 25 times in a solo dissent in the same case.


Alito’s use of the phrase “egregiously wrong” to describe Roe echoes language Mississippi Solicitor General Scott Stewart used in December in defending his state’s ban on abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. The phrase was also contained in an opinion Kavanaugh wrote as part of a 2020 ruling that jury convictions in criminal cases must be unanimous.
In that opinion, Kavanaugh labeled two well-known Supreme Court decisions “egregiously wrong when decided”: the 1944 ruling upholding the detention of Japanese Americans during World War II, Korematsu v. United States, and the 1896 decision that blessed racial segregation under the rubric of “separate but equal,” Plessy v. Ferguson.
The high court has never formally overturned Korematsu, but did repudiate the decision in a 2018 ruling by Roberts that upheld then-President Donald Trump’s travel ban policy.

The legacy of Plessy v. Ferguson​

Plessy remained the law of the land for nearly six decades until the court overturned it with the Brown v. Board of Education school desegregation ruling in 1954.
Quoting Kavanaugh, Alito writes of Plessy: “It was ‘egregiously wrong,’ on the day it was decided.”
Alito’s draft opinion includes, in small type, a list of about two pages’ worth of decisions in which the justices overruled prior precedents – in many instances reaching results praised by liberals.
The implication that allowing states to outlaw abortion is on par with ending legal racial segregation has been hotly disputed. But the comparison underscores the conservative justices’ belief that Roe is so flawed that the justices should disregard their usual hesitations about overturning precedent and wholeheartedly renounce it.
Alito’s draft opinion ventures even further into this racially sensitive territory by observing in a footnote that some early proponents of abortion rights also had unsavory views in favor of eugenics.
“Some such supporters have been motivated by a desire to suppress the size of the African American population,” Alito writes. “It is beyond dispute that Roe has had that demographic effect. A highly disproportionate percentage of aborted fetuses are black.”
Alito writes that by raising the point he isn’t casting aspersions on anyone. “For our part, we do not question the motives of either those who have supported and those who have opposed laws restricting abortion,” he writes.
Alito also addresses concern about the impact the decision could have on public discourse. “We cannot allow our decisions to be affected by any extraneous influences such as concern about the public’s reaction to our work,” Alito writes. “We do not pretend to know how our political system or society will respond to today’s decision overruling Roe and Casey. And even if we could foresee what will happen, we would have no authority to let that knowledge influence our decision.”


In the main opinion in the 1992 Casey decision, Justices Sandra Day O’Connor, Anthony Kennedy and Davis Souter warned that the court would pay a “terrible price” for overruling Roe, despite criticism of the decision from some in the public and the legal community.
“While it has engendered disapproval, it has not been unworkable,” the three justices wrote then. “An entire generation has come of age free to assume Roe‘s concept of liberty in defining the capacity of women to act in society, and to make reproductive decisions; no erosion of principle going to liberty or personal autonomy has left Roe‘s central holding a doctrinal remnant.”
When Dobbs was argued in December, Roberts seemed out of sync with the other conservative justices, as he has been in a number of cases including one challenging the Affordable Care Act.
At the argument session last fall, Roberts seemed to be searching for a way to uphold Mississippi’s 15-week ban without completely abandoning the Roe framework.
“Viability, it seems to me, doesn’t have anything to do with choice. But, if it really is an issue about choice, why is 15 weeks not enough time?” Roberts asked during the arguments. “The thing that is at issue before us today is 15 weeks.”

Nods to conservative colleagues​

While Alito’s draft opinion doesn’t cater much to Roberts’ views, portions of it seem intended to address the specific interests of other justices. One passage argues that social attitudes toward out-of-wedlock pregnancies “have changed drastically” since the 1970s and that increased demand for adoption makes abortion less necessary.
Those points dovetail with issues that Barrett – a Trump appointee and the court’s newest member – raised at the December arguments. She suggested laws allowing people to surrender newborn babies on a no-questions-asked basis mean carrying a pregnancy to term doesn’t oblige one to engage in child rearing.
“Why don’t the safe haven laws take care of that problem?” asked Barrett, who adopted two of her seven children.
Much of Alito’s draft is devoted to arguing that widespread criminalization of abortion during the 19th and early 20th century belies the notion that a right to abortion is implied in the Constitution.
The conservative justice attached to his draft a 31-page appendix listing laws passed to criminalize abortion during that period. Alito claims “an unbroken tradition of prohibiting abortion on pain of criminal punishment…from the earliest days of the common law until 1973.”


“Until the latter part of the 20th century, there was no support in American law for a constitutional right to obtain an abortion. Zero. None. No state constitutional provision had recognized such a right,” Alito adds.
Alito’s draft argues that rights protected by the Constitution but not explicitly mentioned in it – so-called unenumerated rights – must be strongly rooted in U.S. history and tradition. That form of analysis seems at odds with several of the court’s recent decisions, including many of its rulings backing gay rights.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled. The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision....”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
Liberal justices seem likely to take issue with Alito’s assertion in the draft opinion that overturning Roe would not jeopardize other rights the courts have grounded in privacy, such as the right to contraception, to engage in private consensual sexual activity and to marry someone of the same sex.
“We emphasize that our decision concerns the constitutional right to abortion and no other right,” Alito writes. “Nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion.”
Alito’s draft opinion rejects the idea that abortion bans reflect the subjugation of women in American society. “Women are not without electoral or political power,” he writes. “The percentage of women who register to vote and cast ballots is consistently higher than the percentage of men who do so.”
The Supreme Court remains one of Washington’s most secretive institutions, priding itself on protecting the confidentiality of its internal deliberations.
“At the Supreme Court, those who know don’t talk, and those who talk don’t know,” Ginsburg was fond of saying.
That tight-lipped reputation has eroded somewhat in recent decades due to a series of books by law clerks, law professors and investigative journalists. Some of these authors clearly had access to draft opinions such as the one obtained by POLITICO, but their books emerged well after the cases in question were resolved.
The justices held their final arguments of the current term on Wednesday. The court has set a series of sessions over the next two months to release rulings in its still-unresolved cases, including the Mississippi abortion case.
 
Shit, you can see it just in the last 60 years.

It went from "He's going to pull the TV down on himself" and the dad going "Yeah. Once." to "I glued my hair to my head with Gorilla Glue and deserve a trillion dollars" and "How could I have ever known by fighting dog would attack me?"

I've got theories, but shit, they'd be unpopular theories even here.
As others said, I'd like to see them.
Honestly, I can recall shit that I did as a child (less than 20 years ago) that people today frown on. To get me to learn how to ride a bike, my grandad brought me a second hand bike, showed me how to ride it, and then let me fall over repeatedly on a hill to learn. When I hit 18, I moved to the USA to work for a few years, because I'm not a sped and can manage by myself. Things I consider to be a basic part of growing into an adult, seem absent from large swathes of peoples lives.
It really feels like they wanted to infantilize adults for as long as possible, and I do not know why.
One of the greatest (if not THE greatest) things Trump did was get some good judges and justices in. Well done. I'm surprised they didn't cuck.

Before the resident winos freak out, this law was fucked up and should've never existed in the first place. Abortion will never be banned country-wide, retards.
But it will be a de facto stopgap giving states a defense against coasties trying to enrich the flyover states.
And in the states they live in, *they won't have to*. But maybe this will stop the Californication of the US.
And this is why the left seethes about it so much, it's a way to tell them no and put limits on them.
... well that would explain this erection.
Remember to call a doctor after it lasts for more than four hours.
You realize there's nothing stopping some woman who wants an abortion from travelling to some blue voting liberal enclave shithole to get one?
This doesn't just outright ban abortion nationwide lol all it does is return it to being a states issue, since abortion is not a constitutional right and thus the federal government has no jurisprudence to enforce it. That is all this is. It's not constitutional and thus is a matter for the states.

Y'all are acting like this is far worse than it is.
And if you don't have that then there's still safe haven laws in all the states. The people screeching about 'muh poor Alabama girls' always pretend those don't exist.
I'm aware of what the courts striking down Roe V Wade is legally, I also know what it will lead to practically in at least some states.
Do it. Push for post-birth abortions. Take off all the masks and let the world see how deranged you truly are.
 
I understand you are young and don't realize this, but most people cannot afford to travel to another state to get an abortion, which they'd likely have to cover out of pocket.
Gonna go ahead and call bullshit on this.

You have several months to save up and figure out an overnight trip to the nearest state either by plane or bus or car for a medical procedure. Its not hard guy. You live in the developed world your access to the various parts of your country are more open and accessible to you than anywhere else on the planet. You don't need to sell yourself to get a ride to the next village over.
 
Gonna go ahead and call bullshit on this.

You have several months to save up and figure out an overnight trip to the nearest state either by plane or bus or car for a medical procedure. Its not hard guy. You live in the developed world your access to the various parts of your country are more open and accessible to you than anywhere else on the planet. You don't need to sell yourself to get a ride to the next village over.
that takes personal responsibility tho, they dont have it
 
The ACLU has found a way to walk the line. They have to say women to not be ridiculous and because they're feminists, but they can't exclude troons either.
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I like that "abolish the Supreme Court" is the new "defund the police".

The true takeaway, as has been pointed out here, is that the places unaffected by this will burn. These commie critters absolutely NEED to tell other people what to do more than anything.

Also yeah returning the rights to the people = bad.. reee. Seethe, cope, etc..

Thank you based Justices.
 
I don't get why Republicans love to protect a fetus over actual children.

I believe having a child should be a well calculated choice (because of costs and all) but Republicans seems to think that having sex and having children regardless of what method (rape, incest or plain ignorance) is what God wants, God didn't tell you to force a woman to bare a child.

There's also the case of when a fetus becomes a child. Churches who proclaim pro life all of a sudden call you a scarlet and a whore if your child happens to be made via rape or incest. There's adoption but you know, the chances of your child being adopted are really rare and medical care for actual children is shit right now.

If there was actual care for children in those states which ban abortion then I would feel more comfortable but I'm not. All this will do is legitimize rape and incest and make it acceptable to treat actual women like shit.

If Republicans care more about a fetus than an actual child that came from said fetus just so they can feel more powerful then i don't feel confident about the United States anymore.

They don't know the Bible, they don't understand the constitution, they don't even understand what made this country in the first place.

I wouldn't be surprised if they got rid of the first amendment via rewriting the constitution.
Republican Jesus is nothing like biblical jesus, but religious fundies in the US don't care. Republican Jesus is an asshole
 
The ACLU has found a way to walk the line. They have to say women to not be ridiculous and because they're feminists, but they can't exclude troons either.
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I wonder how they'll react if we change their text as "Jewish women, black women and Jewish people, black people who can become pregnant have been forced into a second-class status."?
 
Do it. Push for post-birth abortions. Take off all the masks and let the world see how deranged you truly are.
Uhh dude? I'm not in favor of post-birth abortions. Hell, as far as I'm concerned; anything after the first few months starts getting into some at least very questionable territory in my opinion.
 
meanwhile our resident abortion supporters advocate murdering babies

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I'm not advocating baby murder, I'm advocating if you're going to murder a baby (which inevitably happens when people can't safely abort them as embryos), do it in a way that at least is less likely to get your ass thrown in jail.

Prolifers are the ones that insisting on going the route that generates more baby murder, I'm just here to sperg.
 
I don't get why Republicans love to protect a fetus over actual children.

I believe having a child should be a well calculated choice (because of costs and all) but Republicans seems to think that having sex and having children regardless of what method (rape, incest or plain ignorance) is what God wants, God didn't tell you to force a woman to bare a child.

There's also the case of when a fetus becomes a child. Churches who proclaim pro life all of a sudden call you a scarlet and a whore if your child happens to be made via rape or incest. There's adoption but you know, the chances of your child being adopted are really rare and medical care for actual children is shit right now.

If there was actual care for children in those states which ban abortion then I would feel more comfortable but I'm not. All this will do is legitimize rape and incest and make it acceptable to treat actual women like shit.

If Republicans care more about a fetus than an actual child that came from said fetus just so they can feel more powerful then i don't feel confident about the United States anymore.

They don't know the Bible, they don't understand the constitution, they don't even understand what made this country in the first place.

I wouldn't be surprised if they got rid of the first amendment via rewriting the constitution.
How many children does the US government allow to starve each year? I'm pretty sure there are welfare policies to prevent children from dying. They won't be rich, but it's preferable to death.
The policy that 15 week old pregnancies should be terminated at will is antinatalism. Most humans value their own life, no one should be comfortable with the idea that viable fatuses can be chopped into bits and sucked out when we all were fetuses at one point. We would almost all prefer to be raised in a poor family or an orphanage than to have our lives ended in the womb. Only people who've been overdosing on ideas written by pedo franch philosophers think death is preferable to birth.
 
Republican Jesus is nothing like biblical jesus, but religious fundies in the US don't care. Republican Jesus is an asshole
says the nigga who can't even describe biblical jesus other than "he hung out with whores, tax collectors, and thieves" without pointing out that he only spent time with them once they were willing to repent and stop their sinning
 
The ACLU has found a way to walk the line. They have to say women to not be ridiculous and because they're feminists, but they can't exclude troons either.
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Like I'd put my dick anywhere near a leftard woman, most of them are ugly as shit and have mental illness and substance abuse problems.
Republican Jesus is nothing like biblical jesus, but religious fundies in the US don't care. Republican Jesus is an asshole
I used to question that myself, but it seems they're more referring to the Second Coming type rather than the gentle and forgiving guy who got nailed to a cross.

Religion makes a lot of sense.
 
Dude, I honestly think abortion should be legal everywhere because I don't care what thots do with their body. I'm just saying the idea that every single mom is an unsung hero who suffered greatly and got in that position due to accidental circumstances or from a cruel society is retarded.

Sometimes, bitches be dumb and maybe civilization needs people like that to suffer so other people can look at them and be like "Yo, this nigga straight up is retarded and got knocked up by a banger at 14. lol" - Instead of giving free money and services that won't go to the child anyways, why not instead just let them suffer or figure out some sort of alternative solution.

If you are not burning fat single moms on the daily and think they are good people, I don't know what to tell you, homie.
this is exactly why latinos are ethnically cleansing American black people. it is 100% all of the reason. latinos dunk on single moms instead of glorifying them.
 
says the nigga who can't even describe biblical jesus other than "he hung out with whores, tax collectors, and thieves" without pointing out that he only spent time with them once they were willing to repent and stop their sinning
Lol says the evangelical who thinks that jesus doesn't care if you sin as long as you say you love jesus
 
How many children does the US government allow to starve each year? I'm pretty sure there are welfare policies to prevent children from dying. They won't be rich, but it's preferable to death.
The policy that 15 week old pregnancies should be terminated at will is antinatalism. Most humans value their own life, no one should be comfortable with the idea that viable fatuses can be chopped into bits and sucked out when we all were fetuses at one point. We would almost all prefer to be raised in a poor family or an orphanage than to have our lives ended in the womb. Only people who've been overdosing on ideas written by pedo franch philosophers think death is preferable to birth.
I feel this, if only more people were aware of this early on and more responsible so abortion wouldn't be such a hot topic.
 
In the liberal utopia of Norway it's 11 weeks and 6 days.

That is what I don't fucking understand about liberals, well mostly Californian retarded libcunts and libtards and progtards.

They want to emulate Western Europe and the Nordics in everything.

And yet I didn't learn until recently that Western Europe is uber strict by Ameircan standards and even by a lot of red state standards.

But they I guess ignore it and have a good ability to just not address it.
 
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