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The Supreme Court has voted to strike down the landmark Roe v. Wade decision, according to an initial draft majority opinion written by Justice Samuel Alito circulated inside the court and obtained by POLITICO.
The draft opinion is a full-throated, unflinching repudiation of the 1973 decision which guaranteed federal constitutional protections of abortion rights and a subsequent 1992 decision – Planned Parenthood v. Casey – that largely maintained the right. “Roe was egregiously wrong from the start,” Alito writes.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled,” he writes in the document, labeled as the “Opinion of the Court.” “It is time to heed the Constitution and return the issue of abortion to the people’s elected representatives.”


Deliberations on controversial cases have in the past been fluid. Justices can and sometimes do change their votes as draft opinions circulate and major decisions can be subject to multiple drafts and vote-trading, sometimes until just days before a decision is unveiled. The court’s holding will not be final until it is published, likely in the next two months.
The immediate impact of the ruling as drafted in February would be to end a half-century guarantee of federal constitutional protection of abortion rights and allow each state to decide whether to restrict or ban abortion. It’s unclear if there have been subsequent changes to the draft.
No draft decision in the modern history of the court has been disclosed publicly while a case was still pending. The unprecedented revelation is bound to intensify the debate over what was already the most controversial case on the docket this term.
The draft opinion offers an extraordinary window into the justices’ deliberations in one of the most consequential cases before the court in the last five decades. Some court-watchers predicted that the conservative majority would slice away at abortion rights without flatly overturning a 49-year-old precedent. The draft shows that the court is looking to reject Roe’s logic and legal protections.
Roe was egregiously wrong from the start. Its reasoning was exceptionally weak, and the decision has had damaging consequences. And far from bringing about a national settlement of the abortion issue, Roe and Casey have enflamed debate and deepened division.”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
A person familiar with the court’s deliberations said that four of the other Republican-appointed justices – Clarence Thomas, Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett – had voted with Alito in the conference held among the justices after hearing oral arguments in December, and that line-up remains unchanged as of this week.


The three Democratic-appointed justices – Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan – are working on one or more dissents, according to the person. How Chief Justice John Roberts will ultimately vote, and whether he will join an already written opinion or draft his own, is unclear.
The document, labeled as a first draft of the majority opinion, includes a notation that it was circulated among the justices on Feb. 10. If the Alito draft is adopted, it would rule in favor of Mississippi in the closely watched case over that state’s attempt to ban most abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy.
A Supreme Court spokesperson declined to comment or make another representative of the court available to answer questions about the draft document.
POLITICO received a copy of the draft opinion from a person familiar with the court’s proceedings in the Mississippi case along with other details supporting the authenticity of the document. The draft opinion runs 98 pages, including a 31-page appendix of historical state abortion laws. The document is replete with citations to previous court decisions, books and other authorities, and includes 118 footnotes. The appearances and timing of this draft are consistent with court practice.
The disclosure of Alito’s draft majority opinion – a rare breach of Supreme Court secrecy and tradition around its deliberations – comes as all sides in the abortion debate are girding for the ruling. Speculation about the looming decision has been intense since the December oral arguments indicated a majority was inclined to support the Mississippi law.
Under longstanding court procedures, justices hold preliminary votes on cases shortly after argument and assign a member of the majority to write a draft of the court’s opinion. The draft is often amended in consultation with other justices, and in some cases the justices change their votes altogether, creating the possibility that the current alignment on Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization could change.
The chief justice typically assigns majority opinions when he is in the majority. When he is not, that decision is typically made by the most senior justice in the majority.

‘Exceptionally weak’​

A George W. Bush appointee who joined the court in 2006, Alito argues that the 1973 abortion rights ruling was an ill-conceived and deeply flawed decision that invented a right mentioned nowhere in the Constitution and unwisely sought to wrench the contentious issue away from the political branches of government.
Alito’s draft ruling would overturn a decision by the New Orleans-based 5th Circuit Court of Appeals that found the Mississippi law ran afoul of Supreme Court precedent by seeking to effectively ban abortions before viability.

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Roe’s “survey of history ranged from the constitutionally irrelevant to the plainly incorrect,” Alito continues, adding that its reasoning was “exceptionally weak,” and that the original decision has had “damaging consequences.”
“The inescapable conclusion is that a right to abortion is not deeply rooted in the Nation’s history and traditions,” Alito writes.
Alito approvingly quotes a broad range of critics of the Roe decision. He also points to liberal icons such as the late Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Harvard Law Professor Laurence Tribe, who at certain points in their careers took issue with the reasoning in Roe or its impact on the political process.
Alito’s skewering of Roe and the endorsement of at least four other justices for that unsparing critique is also a measure of the court’s rightward turn in recent decades. Roe was decided 7-2 in 1973, with five Republican appointees joining two justices nominated by Democratic presidents.
The overturning of Roe would almost immediately lead to stricter limits on abortion access in large swaths of the South and Midwest, with about half of the states set to immediately impose broad abortion bans. Any state could still legally allow the procedure.
“The Constitution does not prohibit the citizens of each State from regulating or prohibiting abortion,” the draft concludes. “Roe and Casey arrogated that authority. We now overrule those decisions and return that authority to the people and their elected representatives.”
The draft contains the type of caustic rhetorical flourishes Alito is known for and that has caused Roberts, his fellow Bush appointee, some discomfort in the past.
At times, Alito’s draft opinion takes an almost mocking tone as it skewers the majority opinion in Roe, written by Justice Harry Blackmun, a Richard Nixon appointee who died in 1999.
Roe expressed the ‘feel[ing]’ that the Fourteenth Amendment was the provision that did the work, but its message seemed to be that the abortion right could be found somewhere in the Constitution and that specifying its exact location was not of paramount importance,” Alito writes.
Alito declares that one of the central tenets of Roe, the “viability” distinction between fetuses not capable of living outside the womb and those which can, “makes no sense.”
In several passages, he describes doctors and nurses who terminate pregnancies as “abortionists.”
When Roberts voted with liberal jurists in 2020 to block a Louisiana law imposing heavier regulations on abortion clinics, his solo concurrence used the more neutral term “abortion providers.” In contrast, Justice Clarence Thomas used the word “abortionist” 25 times in a solo dissent in the same case.


Alito’s use of the phrase “egregiously wrong” to describe Roe echoes language Mississippi Solicitor General Scott Stewart used in December in defending his state’s ban on abortions after 15 weeks of pregnancy. The phrase was also contained in an opinion Kavanaugh wrote as part of a 2020 ruling that jury convictions in criminal cases must be unanimous.
In that opinion, Kavanaugh labeled two well-known Supreme Court decisions “egregiously wrong when decided”: the 1944 ruling upholding the detention of Japanese Americans during World War II, Korematsu v. United States, and the 1896 decision that blessed racial segregation under the rubric of “separate but equal,” Plessy v. Ferguson.
The high court has never formally overturned Korematsu, but did repudiate the decision in a 2018 ruling by Roberts that upheld then-President Donald Trump’s travel ban policy.

The legacy of Plessy v. Ferguson​

Plessy remained the law of the land for nearly six decades until the court overturned it with the Brown v. Board of Education school desegregation ruling in 1954.
Quoting Kavanaugh, Alito writes of Plessy: “It was ‘egregiously wrong,’ on the day it was decided.”
Alito’s draft opinion includes, in small type, a list of about two pages’ worth of decisions in which the justices overruled prior precedents – in many instances reaching results praised by liberals.
The implication that allowing states to outlaw abortion is on par with ending legal racial segregation has been hotly disputed. But the comparison underscores the conservative justices’ belief that Roe is so flawed that the justices should disregard their usual hesitations about overturning precedent and wholeheartedly renounce it.
Alito’s draft opinion ventures even further into this racially sensitive territory by observing in a footnote that some early proponents of abortion rights also had unsavory views in favor of eugenics.
“Some such supporters have been motivated by a desire to suppress the size of the African American population,” Alito writes. “It is beyond dispute that Roe has had that demographic effect. A highly disproportionate percentage of aborted fetuses are black.”
Alito writes that by raising the point he isn’t casting aspersions on anyone. “For our part, we do not question the motives of either those who have supported and those who have opposed laws restricting abortion,” he writes.
Alito also addresses concern about the impact the decision could have on public discourse. “We cannot allow our decisions to be affected by any extraneous influences such as concern about the public’s reaction to our work,” Alito writes. “We do not pretend to know how our political system or society will respond to today’s decision overruling Roe and Casey. And even if we could foresee what will happen, we would have no authority to let that knowledge influence our decision.”


In the main opinion in the 1992 Casey decision, Justices Sandra Day O’Connor, Anthony Kennedy and Davis Souter warned that the court would pay a “terrible price” for overruling Roe, despite criticism of the decision from some in the public and the legal community.
“While it has engendered disapproval, it has not been unworkable,” the three justices wrote then. “An entire generation has come of age free to assume Roe‘s concept of liberty in defining the capacity of women to act in society, and to make reproductive decisions; no erosion of principle going to liberty or personal autonomy has left Roe‘s central holding a doctrinal remnant.”
When Dobbs was argued in December, Roberts seemed out of sync with the other conservative justices, as he has been in a number of cases including one challenging the Affordable Care Act.
At the argument session last fall, Roberts seemed to be searching for a way to uphold Mississippi’s 15-week ban without completely abandoning the Roe framework.
“Viability, it seems to me, doesn’t have anything to do with choice. But, if it really is an issue about choice, why is 15 weeks not enough time?” Roberts asked during the arguments. “The thing that is at issue before us today is 15 weeks.”

Nods to conservative colleagues​

While Alito’s draft opinion doesn’t cater much to Roberts’ views, portions of it seem intended to address the specific interests of other justices. One passage argues that social attitudes toward out-of-wedlock pregnancies “have changed drastically” since the 1970s and that increased demand for adoption makes abortion less necessary.
Those points dovetail with issues that Barrett – a Trump appointee and the court’s newest member – raised at the December arguments. She suggested laws allowing people to surrender newborn babies on a no-questions-asked basis mean carrying a pregnancy to term doesn’t oblige one to engage in child rearing.
“Why don’t the safe haven laws take care of that problem?” asked Barrett, who adopted two of her seven children.
Much of Alito’s draft is devoted to arguing that widespread criminalization of abortion during the 19th and early 20th century belies the notion that a right to abortion is implied in the Constitution.
The conservative justice attached to his draft a 31-page appendix listing laws passed to criminalize abortion during that period. Alito claims “an unbroken tradition of prohibiting abortion on pain of criminal punishment…from the earliest days of the common law until 1973.”


“Until the latter part of the 20th century, there was no support in American law for a constitutional right to obtain an abortion. Zero. None. No state constitutional provision had recognized such a right,” Alito adds.
Alito’s draft argues that rights protected by the Constitution but not explicitly mentioned in it – so-called unenumerated rights – must be strongly rooted in U.S. history and tradition. That form of analysis seems at odds with several of the court’s recent decisions, including many of its rulings backing gay rights.
“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled. The Constitution makes no reference to abortion, and no such right is implicitly protected by any constitutional provision....”
Justice Samuel Alito in an initial draft majority opinion
Liberal justices seem likely to take issue with Alito’s assertion in the draft opinion that overturning Roe would not jeopardize other rights the courts have grounded in privacy, such as the right to contraception, to engage in private consensual sexual activity and to marry someone of the same sex.
“We emphasize that our decision concerns the constitutional right to abortion and no other right,” Alito writes. “Nothing in this opinion should be understood to cast doubt on precedents that do not concern abortion.”
Alito’s draft opinion rejects the idea that abortion bans reflect the subjugation of women in American society. “Women are not without electoral or political power,” he writes. “The percentage of women who register to vote and cast ballots is consistently higher than the percentage of men who do so.”
The Supreme Court remains one of Washington’s most secretive institutions, priding itself on protecting the confidentiality of its internal deliberations.
“At the Supreme Court, those who know don’t talk, and those who talk don’t know,” Ginsburg was fond of saying.
That tight-lipped reputation has eroded somewhat in recent decades due to a series of books by law clerks, law professors and investigative journalists. Some of these authors clearly had access to draft opinions such as the one obtained by POLITICO, but their books emerged well after the cases in question were resolved.
The justices held their final arguments of the current term on Wednesday. The court has set a series of sessions over the next two months to release rulings in its still-unresolved cases, including the Mississippi abortion case.
 
If I owe my friend $50, can I "take responsibility" for that debt by killing my friend? No, that would make me a murderer.
Abortion isn't murder, though, despite what you religious nutjobs say. It's no more murder than when you spank it to pictures of Mitch McConnell
What? States passing laws is small government. If your State passes a law you don't agree with, you can move to a different State. Big government would be the Federal government passing laws to allow or ban abortion in all 50 states. This is middle school civics, man.
Not true at all. More laws is big government. Some people can't afford to move states. You "MAH STATES RIGHTS" people just want states to have the ability to punish people you don't like. In this case, it's women who have sex with guys who aren't you
 
The US has separation of church and state. It's legitimately one of our founding principles. I know that makes religious nuts like you mad, but that's what it is.

Yes. but they only overruled roe v wade because of their religion.
Why don't you tell us where in the US Constitution the "separation of church and state" can be found?

Is it right after the part that says "Shall not be infringed but no AR-15s?"

The phrase appeared in a letter written by Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist church talking about the "wall of separation."

If you read the source document -- which progressives generally do not do because they do not like to be burdened by historical fact -- you will find that Jefferson argued the point that the church and its moral teaching should influence government, but government should not interfere with religion.
 
The ending is the best part. Skip to it if you have to.

I wonder what else Saint Joseph has up his sleeves. Maybe contraceptives are next!
I got to watch the whole thing, it's good.
I realize this forum is full of Republican Incels who act like boomers, but people are gonna fuck. It's in our biology. Birth control can fail. You religious zealots thinking someone taking responsibility for it by getting an abortion is an evil abomination, even though you don't want to provide them with any resources while they're pregnant or after they've given birth. So much for you boomer fundies being for small government and personal freedom.


What does your fantasy about having sex with Kevin Nash have to do with you wanting to force women to give birth because you're an angry incel?
"Everybody I don't like is an incel"

Ah, yet another sample of how "horrible" A&H is for the site: threads only shit up when HHH comes in with his green-haired shrieking college lesbian level "debate" tactics, then eventually leaves in a huff to bitch about this section of the site when RACIST FASCIST SEXIST RELIGIOUS NUT BIGOT REEEEEEEEE doesn't change any minds. :story:

Bad legal precedent is bad.
Honestly I don't know why he even bothers with this area anymore. All he ever does is get combative and call people names before fucking off due to not being able to change people's opinions.
What? States passing laws is small government. If your State passes a law you don't agree with, you can move to a different State. Big government would be the Federal government passing laws to allow or ban abortion in all 50 states. This is middle school civics, man.
They don't teach anything of value in school, it doesn't serve the objective of turning out Industrial Revolution era factory drones or mindless consoomers.
 
Democrat Maxine Waters says "to hell with the Supreme Court, we will defy them."

Maxine Waters should be crushed under the treads of a tank.

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Abortion isn't murder, though, despite what you religious nutjobs say. It's no more murder than when you spank it to pictures of Mitch McConnell
So you think California, New York, and Massachusetts are "nut job" states?

Because they're among the 37 US states that have fetal homicide laws on the books.

It's painfully obvious the state considers a fetus a person.

I know, it's unfair to expect you or any progressive to defend your contradictory dogma because it's all bullshit and you don't really believe any of it anyway.
 
hoes mad sad on fucking suicide watch
Can a woman crossdress as a woman?
"Female femboys" do it all the time.
The state interest in marriage is a relic of a time where women had no income or expectation of working.
I thought it was a relic of a time where they didn't want blacks and whites marrying each other.

the guy who invented bread should have been beat up
 
Why don't you tell us where in the US Constitution the "separation of church and state" can be found?

Is it right after the part that says "Shall not be infringed but no AR-15s?"

The phrase appeared in a letter written by Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist church talking about the "wall of separation."

If you read the source document -- which progressives generally do not do because they do not like to be burdened by historical fact -- you will find that Jefferson argued the point that the church and its moral teaching should influence government, but government should not interfere with religion.
The first amendment clearly states that laws cannot be made to establish state religion, which means you can't force you religious shit on the rest of us.
I know that makes you religious zealots seethe with rage, but you should move to Afghanistan since you want a theocracy so badly

So you think California, New York, and Massachusetts are "nut job" states?

Because they're among the 37 US states that have fetal homicide laws on the books.

It's painfully obvious the state considers a fetus a person.

I know, it's unfair to expect you or any progressive to defend your contradictory dogma because it's all bullshit and you don't really believe any of it anyway.
To be fair, I do think it's stupid that you can be tried for murdering a fetus, too. A fetus isn't a person any more than a cake mix is a cake.

And MtF will never be women, despite what you religious nutjobs say.
I agree that they won't be.
 
The US has separation of church and state. It's legitimately one of our founding principles. I know that makes religious nuts like you mad, but that's what it is.

Yes. but they only overruled roe v wade because of their religion.
Nah, this can go beyond religion.
I was not raised in any particular Christian denomination.

Once I recognized the popularity of the revolting trend of pushing transgenderism on children as young as 2 and 3, I had to re-evaluate my beliefs on many things.

To me, transgender procedures on children are nothing more than Mengele-level experiments. I grew up being taught that, as Americans, we were against the act of barbaric human experimentation on innocent people. Many of my relatives fought and died in a war not long ago specifically BECAUSE they felt using human beings as guinea pigs was inhumane and evil.

I couldn't reconcile my revulsion to transitioning of children while simultaneously being unanimously pro-choice. I can't argue that young children should be protected from extreme and unnecessary medical procedures (cross sex hormones, puberty blockers, castration) while simultaneously supporting brutal abortion procedures. (Yes, I can understand saving the life of the mother, preventing underaged girls from having to endure pregnancies, termination for unviable fetuses, etc..)

Looking into the related topic of transhumanism, Gender theory, Queer theory, etc.. it's clear to me that they are more than willing to fight as hard as they can to TAKE OVER the process of reproduction-- they want to CONTROL IT. Look into the topic, I am not making shit up. Transhumanism wants to separate reproduction from women, they want to outsource it to artificial wombs, they want to modify the human body and make it "evolve" into something un-human. Most of the men who promote it are rich gay men in STEM. The first steps towards them "normalizing" this "scientific philosophy" is to define some humans as "non-humans". Women are now "people with uteruses", black women are "black birthing bodies", children are "fetal matter" and/or "they can consent just like adults!" Just like some people in the olden days were identified as "lesser humans" and were given certain signs to wear, transhumanist want to divide people into "enlightened ones" and "useless eaters". They want to normalize the idea that women and children are com-modifiable parts that can be traded, sold, swapped, mechanized... all for "the glory of humankind". Old people get Euthanasia "take THAT greedy BOOMER!" Rainbow flags a-waiving.

Allowing abortion just makes the argument for transhumanism go further. They want to promote CRISPR babies, designer babies, surrogacy-- and those procedures in themselves will create the extinction of women. People will sex select for male children, regardless of culture. Surrogacy is a risky business for women, seems to have a higher mortality/complication rate than regular pregnancies. Women are being seen as less necessary for relationships, as the family unit is under attack, so that in itself will increase the poverty and mortality rates for women. Men will just marry each other and pump out their blue eyed twink designer baby boys with a "poor womb for hire" and Crispr. Women will go extinct with the "help" of "technology". So, even on a purely selfish level I can safely say that allowing abortion with no restrictions is a slippery slope to the extinction of my own sex.

Message for leftie women here: Close relative was involved in the digitization of banking from the early days. He saw this happen first hand. The pools of working women they replaced with machines were mostly inner city women, many of them black, and this was in the 60s-70s. These women once had excellent jobs, some had served in WW2, they were articulate and educated, they were proud of their clothes, their cars, their apartments and how well their children were living. Their grandchildren now live in the ghettos. This is what "time saving advanced technology" does to women. We get fucked. We get shafted. Some autistic tech billionaire pockets all the money from displacing and erasing us. Gates put many women out of decent paying work with his electronic "secretary machines". Women's work was digitized first, and so our bodies will also be digitized and replaced first. Sorry, that's the way it is. Stop embracing every fucking techie tech nerd app and clickbait social media. You ARE the product. Stop posting pictures of your asses and tits, you're just making some other assholes rich.

What I hope comes out of this eventually, although I doubt it will happen, is some kind of control or oversight over birth control. I fully expect tech companies will capitalize off women's hysteria. They will definitely push some high tech IUDs on women that will be sold to them as "rape and pregnancy prevention". These devices will probably data mine their bodies, track their bodily functions, collect data and sell it to companies that want to reproduce robotic AI versions of women. I know this sounds nuts, but seriously look into some of the bizarre body modification and surveillance technology that tech billionaires are trying to develop. They want to sell AI virtual reality "partners" to people, they want virtual reality children, virtual reality sex. They collect real human data to create "virtual" humans. I'm not that far off base, I'm convinced of it. If women are willing to take dangerous poisons and devices (and we ARE) to avoid pregnancy, many women will be easily encouraged to have "digital birth control" inserted into their bodies. Will our government, SC, etc., allow companies to do this kind of thing?

Tin foil hat time: I'm convinced Biden and the Democrats have had their campaign coffers lined by transhumanism (companies related to it-- tech, biomed, pharmaceutical companies). Tech platforms shut Trump down HARD in June 2020, and at the same time, they slammed down any and all criticism of transhumanism and transgenderism. It was a coordinated effort.

They have been implementing the same kinds of pro-transhumanism pro-transgenderism nonsense that has also been pushed in other countries so far. Its like these left wing parties are all given the same political playbook by big Tech to follow, and they force it on the public ("environmentalism/anti-automobile" "anti-hate" "pro-pride" "pro-transgender" "anti-religion" "anti-white-colonialism"). Anyhow, I can see them fully promoting the very transhumanist idea of digital birth control technology as a way to "help promote women's equality". This "horrible Roe v Wade SC decision" will be decried by the left, but transhumanism will be used as the "final solution". It won't actually "help women", however. It's all about collecting data to replace women WITH technology.

Sure, they'll probably decimate the Supreme Court and fill it with Tech-bought troon activist judges, but that'll come with time. The leftists and transhumanist lobby needs to push their agenda further at this point, and outrage at "far right SC justices" helps them win elections at this point. Just scroll through Youtube. It's ALL major news networks moaning and groaning over Orange One, Roe V Wade, Russia Bad, Guns Bad and The Superiority of the Love Between Rich Rainbow Gay Men. It's hardcore repetitive brainwashing and virtue signaling. Ugh. They need the dog and pony show the "Big Bad SC" makes for them right now.

Now, will the SC or those who are pro-life in the traditional sense fight the push to introduce digital birth control technology INTO people's bodies? What if these devices somehow create abortions in utero (as some claim the traditional IUD does)? Will they see what the future holds if we allow sociopathic autistic techbros (the spiritual offspring of the True Nahtsees) the right to tinker with human DNA, human bodies, human sexuality?

Didn't we fight that kind of insanity almost 100 years ago?
 
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