Opinion Perspective: Where have all the good men gone? - Young men who are ready for committed relationships are in short supply compared to women

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It’s a recurring lament we hear from women at the University of Virginia:

Where are the good guys? The guys interested in commitment, and the guys who have drive, ambition and purpose?


This is not to say that such men are entirely absent at U.Va., where we teach and attend school; they are just in short supply relative to the women with a clear focus on their future and interested in a serious relationship.


Take Cece, a rising senior: “The majority of the guys I’ve encountered at U.Va. don’t want to commit to an actual relationship. They haven’t grown up. They want to hook up with girls, but that’s it. Many of my friends and I are frustrated with the lack of maturity our guy friends exemplify. My parents met in college, which was common among their generation, and are about to celebrate their 30th anniversary. Meanwhile, I have one year left at U.Va. and don’t foresee myself dating anyone.”

The relationship frustrations of women like these are rooted in a broader problem: They do not have a ready pool of good young men to date, partly because many of our nation’s young men are floundering as they make the transition from adolescence to young adulthood. This problem is visible in our schools, colleges and universities, and today’s marketplace. Young men are increasingly less likely than women to enroll in college and less likely than women to apply themselves even if they land in college; a growing number of them are also idle or underemployed as they move through their 20s.

Our “young men problem” is rooted in a range of factors — the rise of electronic opiates, which distract young men from education and work and have come to replace traditional avenues of social relations; the absence of models of pro-social masculinity that furnish norms for male engagement in school, work and relationships as they move into adulthood; a culture that discounts commitment; and biological differences in rates of male and female maturation.


But a new report from the Institute for Family Studies, “Life Without Father,” suggests that another issue is in play. Too many boys have grown up in homes without engaged or present fathers, which has left them especially unprepared to navigate school, work and relationships successfully.

Too few good men​


Here at U.Va., one of the signs of the young man problem is that they are, simply, absent from “Grounds,” our word for campus. At our university, women outnumber men 56 to 44. Nationally, it is worse: there are almost 60 women for every 40 men. Across the country, this means that a large minority of heterosexual women cannot find any men to date on their college campuses.


And even when it comes to the men who are in college, female students are often disappointed with the quality of the guys they find, even at the University of Virginia. “Sometimes it is just very frustrating to me when I want to tell a guy I know who is living his life in some sort of unsatisfactory way,” said Isabela, a junior. “I have to hold myself back from being like, ‘What are you doing? The way that you’re living is contributing to your unhappiness.’”


“I would say the qualities of guys I generally come across are not necessarily guys I would date,” said Claire, also a junior. Claire has noticed, at least in the School of Architecture, that “the girls seem to be driven and just focused on academics … a little more serious about it (than guys).”

Tommy, a rising senior, attests that “girls are much more focused and deliberate and sincere about their work than most of the guys that I know.” He sees a kind of “prolonged adolescence” in many of the men at U.Va.

This notion of prolonged adolescence is not simply anecdotal, but a central concern of researchers who study young men. In his book “Guyland”, sociologist Michael Kimmel described it this way:

“In another era, these guys would undoubtedly be poised to take their place in the adult world, taking the first steps toward becoming the nation’s future professional, entrepreneurs and business leaders. They would be engaged to be married, thinking about settling down with a family, preparing for futures as civic leaders and Little League dads. Not today. Today, many of these young men, poised between adolescence and adulthood, are more likely to feel anxious and uncertain. In college, they party hard but are soft on studying. … After graduation, they drift aimlessly from one dead-end job to another, spend more time online playing video games and gambling than they do on dates. …”

These observations are borne out by trends in academic performance and on-time graduation. Women have attained consistently higher GPAs than their male peers, per a study examining the GPAs of students at select Florida and Texas universities which showed average GPAs of 2.67 and 2.85 for men and women respectively. Fewer of the men who attend college end up graduating than women — with 50% of women graduating “on time” compared to just 40% of men, according to a recent report in The Wall Street Journal.

This pattern extends beyond college into the 20-something years. “I would say they’re not as serious about their work as men were several decades ago,” observed Holly, a recent U.Va. graduate. This was one part of her frustration with dating prospects, along with their “lack of relational skills.” In line with her comment, a growing share of young men are out of the labor force. Between 1999 and 2018, the employment rate for young men fell by 10.4 percentage points — almost double that of young women.


Fathers and friends​


Part of this problem is attributable to the shifting character of family life in America. We know that children with absent fathers are less likely to thrive on a variety of measures of academic, professional and social success. Even for those with present fathers, like many here at U.Va., many young men have not been given clear guidance from their dads about how to navigate relationships and develop a clear identity as a man. While today’s fathers are better equipped to help their children navigate school and work, they are less adept when it comes to preparing young men for dating, relationships and marriage.

“These people are ill-fathered,” Tommy observed, “and they don’t have the right moral fiber that would lead them to use that freedom well, so they become idle and complacent, and they don’t really feel challenged, and they feel bored.”

More than anything, this growing body of directionless men indicates that the institutions which used to give shape and meaning to their lives are not as powerful as they once were. Churches, schools and even families are less likely to give clear and compelling guidance to young men as they prepare for adulthood. They’re also competing with influences — from gaming to social media — that push young men away from adulthood and toward prolonged adolescence.


“To me it seems like they’re floundering, but I know there’s more that goes on,” Catherine, a recent graduate, said. “Men are lacking the resources to deal with a lot of other things, and whether they have the strength to reject acting that way probably does come from how they were raised … but what really perpetuates it is their peers, and a society of boys doing the exact same thing.”

The observations of these students are borne out by the new Institute for Family Studies report. Our “young men problem” is especially common among those raised apart from their biological fathers. These young men are disproportionately more likely to flounder in school and less likely to graduate from college. Of those whose fathers were present, 35% graduated from college; this was true for only 14% among young men raised apart from their fathers.


Those with absent fathers were also almost twice as likely to be idle in their 20s.


A considerable 19% of young men with absent fathers are idle in their 20s, neither working or in school, compared to only 11% of those with present fathers. Such men are especially unlikely to be good prospects for dating, mating and marriage for today’s young women.

If we wish to revive the fortunes of today’s young men, we must help fathers teach their sons how to prepare better for adulthood, relationships and marriage. And we must also revive our most fundamental bond, marriage, because it connects men to their sons in a way nothing else does. These steps matter, not just for renewing the fortunes of young men, but also for the sake of the women looking for good partners to love, marry and start families with in the future.

Brad Wilcox is director of the National Marriage Project at the University of Virginia and The Future of Freedom fellow at the Institute for Family Studies. Emma Fuentes is an undergraduate studying English at the University of Virginia. Michael Krieger is a Ph.D. candidate in the Department of Sociology at the University of Virginia.

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I was a lot more feminist before getting married and seeing womanbrain up close and personal. Love the hell out of my wife, but letting these people make decisions for state and society was a colossal mistake.
The Greeks understood this very well, thousands of years ago.

We have to go back.
Being studious often does pay off for men eventually when you finally get that MD or cushy tech job, but delayed gratification is in short supply these days and men are the ones who have to make the trade off. Between the lack of 'reward' and the latent discrimination boys experience (boys are flat out graded more harshly) its not surprising that many have given up.
It's either giving up, or embracing the manwhore life (maybe for a little while) and taking advantage of their age gap mainly, since plenty of thots out there see professional men in their 30s as a skewed paternal figure.

This is how older dudes can bang as many broads as they want, in a short period of time - cash in on daddy issues.
 
Too bad we can't even look at a woman in real life without getting arrested. I'm not even kidding:

I didn't watch the video, but consider this bud England so it's street shitter central. When they see a white girl(any white gurl), its like when I see a 10/10 with ludicrous tits in Target or wherever. They don't have the social grace to sneak glances so they just stare like like a hungry lions at the gazelle buffet. My wife loves bitching about Indian men from when she traveled in India a bit. They. Just. Stare.

I suspect this is more an anti-paki dog whistle but again, didn't watch the video.
 
I worked at a shitty job while paying my way through school, and just by eavesdropping I soon realized that the trashy dudes at work were getting laid way more (in or out of relationships) than the academically minded guys in school. This wasn't a looks thing either-the dudes at work were almost all under 5'8'' and had way worse grooming standards. They still have to deal with the nagging though; that never changes.

Being studious often does pay off for men eventually when you finally get that MD or cushy tech job, but delayed gratification is in short supply these days and men are the ones who have to make the trade off. Between the lack of 'reward' and the latent discrimination boys experience (boys are flat out graded more harshly) its not surprising that many have given up.
In my circle the ugly smelly guys with terrible hygiene who were unemployed and sold drugs got laid way way way more than the clean cut studious types, Why? Because the trashy guys approached every women they saw and hit on women dozens of times per day and the non trashy guys didn't.

What women whine about and what actually gets results are two very different things.
 
Men are all fat whining incels or trannies these days. They do nothing but play Vidya and expect a supermodel with a billion dollars to drop into their laps, while doing nothing whatsoever to improve themselves, not even something as simple as take shower. You can tell this is completely true, because if you point it out, the sheet vitriol you are met with is off the scale.
You’re too heavy to be on my lap, NEXT!
 
the West is having a cultural crisis
…and it’s called Femocracy. Postwar Western society is almost solely designed to cater to women’s wants and interests.

This is because women are incredibly easy to manipulate into advocating for things like open borders, gun control, female hypergamy, the destruction of masculine role models, excessive social security, LGBTQ+ advocacy, unequal gender-based legal outcomes, single-parent families etc.

They’re also easier to lull into a false sense of security with access to pointless fashion, makeup and beauty regimens, easy credit, female-only jobs etc., which keeps making money for the elites. At the same time you can control them by threatening access to the things they want- abortion, no-fault divorce with almost guaranteed custody of kids, spousal support, child support and so on.

Not all women have these qualities of course, but enough of them do to make this happen. The elites want a complacent, docile, easily controlled group of people to support their own vision of a world designed to funnel ever more wealth, power and control into the hands of a few.

The elites don’t want a world run by men. They want a world run for their own benefit, and women are the linchpin in their plan to do so.
 
I hate this “no gentlemen left” shit. “Why won’t guys be gentlemen and pay for my meal?” Because you weigh 300 pounds at 5ft-nothing and no one wants to fuck you enough to pay for the cow you ate at brunch, you fat fucking pig. Lose some weight and stop stuffing your face with pizza & vegan shit you think is healthy but is full of fatty chemicals, you dumbass bitch.
 
I never leave my apartment but when I do I find another 20 reasons to hate women. They weren't wearing shirts that covered their entire torso. They weren't wearing bras. I did see a couple of Amish chicks they weren't attractive in any way but in contrast to the pigs that make up the rest of [local metropolis] they were dimes.

Point is, ladies, if you want marriage, it's easy. Just don't dress, act, look, and be the whore. If you can manage that you'll get at least a 5/10 man and that's about the best you can hope for considering what men want these days. I can log into instagram and see a woman guzzle her own sister's piss for $5, what can you do for me? If your answer is "that's rude and sexist, ermegerd" I'm moving on to the next slut. I didn't create this world, I'm only cursed to live in it.
 
WTF is a "rising senior?"
Late, but it means the summer between junior and senior years. I had the same confusion the first time I heard that term when our intern coordinator reached out to all the hiring managers. Sometime in the last three or four years I think is the first time I heard it.

E; or possibly the last semester before that summer. Whatever - what it really means is the next time you see that person after school they will have graduated.
 
Even without social media women have been indoctrinated by publishers and Hollywood for decades they deserved only the most perfect male specimens. And if one displeases her once, she can toss him out and bag another Mr. Perfect. And most recently if she get bored of hushand Mr. Right and her offspring, she can fuck off without penalty i.e. Eat, Pray, Love.
There has to be at least some women out there without any sense of entitlement. At least I hope so...

Like others said, maybe the problem is just with certain groups of women and not all women. Maybe it's the Anglo Saxon and black women where most now hold unrealistic standards, while many dateable women can still be found in other groups like Latinos, Slavs, Asians etc.
 
In my circle the ugly smelly guys with terrible hygiene who were unemployed and sold drugs got laid way way way more than the clean cut studious types, Why? Because the trashy guys approached every women they saw and hit on women dozens of times per day and the non trashy guys didn't.

What women whine about and what actually gets results are two very different things.
Was my personal experience. It took me 5 years after high school to realize that even though women and modern society constantly push that they find it annoying to be approached by men and for men not wanting to be friends with women, being timid and afraid of making women uncomfortable makes it almost impossible to start a relationship. When I began flirting immediately with women I met it was as if a switch had been turned on.
 
Was my personal experience. It took me 5 years after high school to realize that even though women and modern society constantly push that they find it annoying to be approached by men and for men not wanting to be friends with women, being timid and afraid of making women uncomfortable makes it almost impossible to start a relationship. When I began flirting immediately with women I met it was as if a switch had been turned on.
Lol, those same women who find it annoying to be approached by men, complain when men don't approach them!
 
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